Model 70 .375 H & H........

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Model 70 .375 H & H........

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I found a 1967 Winchester Model 70 in .375 H & H in excellent condition except for the painted faux forend cap is scuffed somewhat. It has williams iron sights. Price is $825 total with the intimation that eight franklins will fetch it with a plano case......

The same place can get a current new one of the same persuasion for around $1200 + tax. Or a howa built weatherby vanguard for about $750.....

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Find a better way to spend 8 Ben's.....there's close to zero desirability to any Winchester made after 64....especially the decade immediately following 1964....But that's just my calculated opinion, I don't spend money, I invest it.

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Ray, I'm kind of with Six on this. That's a lot of dough for a late '60s Model 70. The new ones made under FN ownership are fine rifles.
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The clambering is versatile though. Same ballistics as the Ruger 375 in a longer case; mild to wild loads available.

For the money although the Rugers aren't collectible I think they are better made, and probably available in the original H&H chambering if you prefer that.

Weatherby I don't know about but my friends who have them seem to like them.
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I sold My Ruger No 1 .375 h&h due to health concerns. If I were going to go big again it would be the .375 Ruger Guide Gun. not a classic but a platform to use in the field. Jeff Quinn did a review on Gunblast a few years ago and the difference shooting it with and without the muzzle break was quiet evident. Good Luck.https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/pro ... g+guide+ss#
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I am with 6. However, I have an 88 manufacture 30-06 that is great in everyday. In a correspondence with Ken Waters he said "don't ever let that go". For shooting purposes the push feed is a stronger action and at least this one will feed from any angle. For investment, not so much. :-)
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Old Savage wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:45 am I am with 6. However, I have an 88 manufacture 30-06 that is great in everyday. In a correspondence with Ken Waters he said "don't ever let that go". For shooting purposes the push feed is a stronger action and at least this one will feed from any angle. For investment, not so much. :-)

There are exceptions to what I said above.....Post 64 Model 88's are still in demand, along with 9422's....and anything with "Model 21" roll marked on it.

If you want a shooter, sure, go ahead, they all shoot good.....it's just that I like to have desirable guns...much easier to resell. You figure a lot of guys who own 375's usually only have one so if your going to have one, get a nice one.----6
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I’ve been told my nose is somewhat pointed up , but when I buy a Winchester 90% of the time it’s a Pre 64 and generally it was bought at a price I think I can turn it and make a dollar . I’ve often wanted a Pre 64 Model 70 in 375 H&H Mag . But the Ruger #1H I have know is all the 375 I need (and truth be told I don’t “need” it either but it’s nice to have).
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About 30 years ago bore sighted my Win 30-06 then ... this is the sight in target at 100 yds at the range, tapped into a cutting board. Long old style Leopold 4x, no changes since. About 1250.through this one. Though my firearms investments have appreciated very well, never gave it a thought but as Six says this is a very good investment area for those who know what they are doing.
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When I was in the game one of the main arguments was classic or modern. At one end of the scale was british calibres/british styled guns, followed by american calibres in classic styles etc, preferably CRF( controlled round feed) and the other end was synthetic stocks in new calibres with push feed. I'm not sure whether the 67 is CRF or PF? Generally a wood stock older gun in a safari calibre like 375H&H is towards the first camp and gets approving nods on a safari forum. I liked 375 as it can load 375 lever flatpoints in it for reduced loads on pests, and trailboss if you want velocities real low. I owned a 375 in a CZ550 which replaced their Brno 602 model in the late 90's. I had to sell it many years ago and can't fire any of the big stuff anymore for health reasons.
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I always go with the buy what you like everybody's got different tastes just do your homework on value. 375 H&H is a great cartridge I've used one since I was 17. It has always worked on game from deer to bears and moose for me. Recoil isn't as bad as people make out about like shooting a 12 gauge 3".
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33wcfshooter wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:13 pm I always go with the buy what you like everybody's got different tastes just do your homework on value. 375 H&H is a great cartridge I've used one since I was 17. It has always worked on game from deer to bears and moose for me. Recoil isn't as bad as people make out about like shooting a 12 gauge 3".
I dunno my Ruger #1H 375 H&H recoils no where near as much as my Benelli Montefeltro 12 gauge loaded with 3" factory buckshot loads . Heck I don't think my Ruger #1H 416 Rem Mag has as much recoil as 12 gauge 3" buckshot loads .
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I think a lot of it depends on the weight of the gun in the stock design. The Ruger Alaskan model I have has a heavy Hogue rubber stock, and is about the same recoil to me as shooting a Garand. The other heavy shooter I have is the Big Horn Armory levergun in 500 Smith & Wesson and it is not unpleasant at all. But I am no recoil-stud; I would NOT care to try a revolver in that same chambering, and I really, really, really hate shooting slugs (or even heavy shot loads) out of a break open 12 gauge.... :shock: :oops:
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The last rifle I put together while in school is an Agrentine Mauser with a 375 H&H barrel. I lengthened the action enough to feed max COAL,new mag box that holds 4( without that huge belly ya see on new stuff),English walnut stock, and here's the kicker- I have not shot it yet!!

Yes stock design/ dimensions mean everything when it comes to felt recoil. Comb needs to be as close to parallel with the axis of the bore to make it feel like less recoil. Anything with a lot of drop is gonna hit ya.
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AJMD429 wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:33 pm I think a lot of it depends on the weight of the gun in the stock design. The Ruger Alaskan model I have has a heavy Hogue rubber stock, and is about the same recoil to me as shooting a Garand. The other heavy shooter I have is the Big Horn Armory levergun in 500 Smith & Wesson and it is not unpleasant at all. But I am no recoil-stud; I would NOT care to try a revolver in that same chambering, and I really, really, really hate shooting slugs (or even heavy shot loads) out of a break open 12 gauge.... :shock: :oops:
Once upon a time in a very weak moment I purchased a brand spanking new H&R Handi Rifle in 500 S&W and of course I handloaded for it . I never thought the recoil overly offensive in that gun even with the 500 grain bullets . But it had one heck of a rainbow trajectory .

Never did a 500 in a revolver but I did have a 460 S&W Mag for awhile and it was getting to the borderline of limits for me .
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I applaud All of the Recoil proof Gentleman on this forum... :D :D :D ..........Keep blasting away with 40 ,50, 60, 70+ftlbs of recoil for most of Your life and when You/if.......You.... get past 60 and suddenly have a torn or detached retina in your eyes , the Retina Specialists Doctors will operate on You every chance they get. :? they are there to save Your eyesight at what ever cost............................to You. Don't Ask ME How I KNOW................. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: WHAT RECOIL........................................................................ :lol: :lol: :lol: .
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Well, I bought it.....

4.3 c.c.of trail boss and a homemade wadcutter (.380 acp case filled with molten rangescrap potluck) shows promise and little recoil.
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Good for you..!! Sounds like you're already on your way to getting the most out of your new rifle.
The versatility of the 375 H&H makes it my favorite rifle and the ONE I will always have. Mine is a "nothing special" old Mauser I've taken around the country, and to Africa and it's never let me down. I also cast my own bullets for our local Whitetail and hogs.
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.45colt wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:49 pm I applaud All of the Recoil proof Gentleman on this forum... :D :D :D ..........Keep blasting away with 40 ,50, 60, 70+ftlbs of recoil for most of Your life and when You/if.......You.... get past 60 and suddenly have a torn or detached retina in your eyes , the Retina Specialists Doctors will operate on You every chance they get. :? they are there to save Your eyesight at what ever cost............................to You. Don't Ask ME How I KNOW................. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: WHAT RECOIL........................................................................ :lol: :lol: :lol: .
I don't consider myself 'recoil-proof' but I just don't feel much from the 375 Alaskan I have, versus other less powerful guns that may recoil more painfully due to being lighter weight, or the stock configuration.

As far as retinal detachment, I know what you mean. I had a vitreous detach, which is a 'normal' thing as you get older, but the symptoms (peripheral flashes of light with rapid eye movement) are like that of retinal detachment, and it turned out I had both. If you've never gotten zapped in the eyeball by an electric fence and want to see what that would be like - get laser treatment for a detaching retina... :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Yep Doc, I had laser surgery in My left eye and then about a year and a half later the retina tore again through the laser "patch". I have had a viterectomy in each eye was off work for six weeks with one and nine weeks with the other. After surgery You are allowed to do nothing at all but walk, no lifting anything more that 10 lbs. I go to the Dr. for the final checkup and He says Your O.K. go back to work tomorrow!!! I said I've done nothing for all this time and now I can lift 100lb boxes every day? He says yep lifting has nothing to do with Your eyes. but He has never worked for 40+ years either. :twisted:
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I would buy a new one, in the alaskan version with 26 inch bbl. :shock:
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buckeyeshooter wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:53 pm I would buy a new one, in the alaskan version with 26 inch bbl. :shock:
The first 416 Rem Mag I owned had a 26” Shilen barrel . It had started life as a Interarms Mark X Whitworth in 375 H&H and at the time I had the same already in a 375 H&H so I had the friend I got it from tebarrel the second one to 416 . It shot really well with my handloads but that 26” barrel was a brush hanging sucker .
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I applaud All of the Recoil proof Gentleman on this forum... :D :D :D ..........Keep blasting away with 40 ,50, 60, 70+ftlbs of recoil for most of Your life and when You/if.......You.... get past 60 and suddenly have a torn or detached retina in your eyes , the Retina Specialists Doctors will operate on You every chance they get. :? they are there to save Your eyesight at what ever cost............................to You. Don't Ask ME How I KNOW................. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: WHAT RECOIL........................................................................ :lol: :lol: :lol: .

I have both eyes done re. cataracts.

I am very apprehensive of recoil at seventy years of age.

My loading of black powder in the 45-70 is comfortable to me.

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Good Luck Mark, if I shoot My 45-70's again it will be light loads or I will be getting a lead sled for anything heavy.
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