Anniversary of Last Native American to Surrender

[TWHBC]

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/geron ... urrenders/

[JerryB]

I like to read about Geronimo, he was a very interesting man. But I sure don't want to have to sign up on some site just to do it.

[GunnyMack]

Umm I have yet to surrender!!
Granted I'm not full blooded but I take my native blood seriously!

[Bill in Oregon]

He was born in the Gila River country near Silver City, NM. A great American, and God rest his soul.

[Sixgun]

Umm I have yet to surrender!!
Granted I'm not full blooded but I take my native blood seriously!

Is your mom Elizabeth Warren?----6

[GunnyMack]

Thankfully No Six !!
My moms mom was full blood Washoe , Reno Nevada area. I still have relatives on a reservation.

Now to go OT-
I despise all of these ( fill in the blank) always playing race/ enslavement card. The darn white man did his damndest to WIPE us out. He didn't give us a roof or meals or anything but hot lead! So they need to shut up, learn history and go back where they ORIGNALLY came from!

Sorry for my rant, I had one of those days today!

[Sixgun]

I hear ya Gunny and am in total agreement. You figure, Geronimo, Chief Joseph, Sitting Bull and a mess of whose names I can't spell were totally screwed over. The older I get, combined with wisdom and knowledge REALLY boils my azz...but......those were the days and all of us here are benefiting from the slaughter of these mostly peaceful people. It would have happened to the American Indian sooner than later so I guess it's good English speaking defeated them.

It did not need to be that way. They could have been given a whole territory to live in and continue their ways but nnnooooooo, whitey wanted it all. -----6

[KWK]

... these mostly peaceful people.

Hmmm, the Aztecs, the SW tribes, and so on. White, yellow, red, black, they all tried to take from their neighbors. Whitey was just the first to mechanize it all. The interesting part was that whitey, once he was on top, largely renounced his ways--quite remarkable.

[piller]

Geronimo was quite the strategist. He and a small number of men used their knowledge of the terrain and their survival skills to keep a strong Army at bay for years. Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce was another who made the Army work for the victory. They probably never read Sun Tzu's ideas, but they thought along the same lines. While some of the Native Americans were farmers and chose to form societies which were not nomadic, there were others who enjoyed war. I think we all know that. If it were not for the industrial might, weapons, superior numbers, and more efficient lifestyle of the white european settlers, the outcome might still be in doubt.

By the way, did Osceola surrender? Were the Seminole ever defeated?

[Old Savage]

Get over it. I according to GEDmatch.com am related to the Beringians, Clovis man and Kennewick man. That is thousands of years before the Asian related Americans got here. So, let's knock off this claim of America. It was a bunch of warring tribes apparently not at all natives but from Asian stock.

[Ray]

The current grade school history textbooks say that the 16th century north american indian nations, before the arrival and bad influences of whitey lived in an enviable socialist utopia with no concept of personal ownership of lands or chattels or even violence towards each other.....this is what they are teaching our kinder .....

and all the once thought credible eyewitness accounts of thieving, slavery, rape, torture, murder, and cannibalism, of the aboriginal peoples against both their own and the new pale invaders are now just so much white privilege propaganda or if any of it actually happened, such behavior was at least learned from and encouraged by whitey in the name of his violent religion....

I suppose this account by Samuel Champlain is fiction as well.....

Having gone about eight leagues in the evening, the indians took one of their captives of another tribe and kindled a fire, each taking brands and made this wretch suffer the greatest torment. They tore out his nails and applied coals to his membrum virile. When he regained conciousness they scalped him then dropped melted fat onto the crown of his head. Then they pierced his arms near the wrists and with sticks pulled out sinews by main force then finally severing the whole limbs. This poor wretch bore the torment admirably. They begged me to join them in the torture. Much to their disappointment, I ended his torment with my arquebus....

Samuel de Champlain 30 July 1609.

[piller]

Even the American Indians histories are full of battles and tortures. They were rarely a peaceful people, no matter which tribe you look at. From their own cultural heritage, they did not look upon a young male as a man until he had participated in at least one raid upon a nearby tribe of another people. He had to be seen killing ome of the other tribe or stealing their horses or women for it to count. It may not suit the narrative of many on the left, but it was a lifestyle which kept their numbers low so that their nomadic hunter-gatherer existence did not kill off all the game from too many mouths to feed. It was not an efficient lifestyle. It was a harsh lifestyle, and often a violent one.

[Sixgun]

... these mostly peaceful people.

Hmmm, the Aztecs, the SW tribes, and so on. White, yellow, red, black, they all tried to take from their neighbors. Whitey was just the first to mechanize it all. The interesting part was that whitey, once he was on top, largely renounced his ways--quite remarkable.

Yea, I hear ya and your 100% right. I get emotional sometimes when one man screws over another man just to get his "pelosi", whether it's material items, his job, or his wife.....It's happened plenty of times to me personally .......always have to be "on the guard." Except for 2 close friends, a few family members, and the guys from the board, I'm a recluse. ----6

[JerryB]

As far as I know the Florida Seminole never signed treaty with the U.S.

[coyote nose]

Geronimo was NOT the last to surrender. Ishi surrendered in california in 1911, fully expecting to be killed by the whites, since he had shot at whites early on during his 44 years of hiding.
And some never surrendered, several Apache had not surrendered with Geronimo, and stayed in Mexico, fully "wild" until their deaths in the 1920s.