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I have a few.

I favor mid-length to short swords. While I have a Katana and have trained with a Great Sword, anything longer than 24" is lost on me. I even cut down and re-tempered a 29" Zatoichi style sword-cane to a 24" blade.

I like my Gladius.

But recently a "modern" Wakizashi at a stupidly low price point (<$100) caught my eye. So I bought it to try out.

This is a serious blade... one that anyone should be glad to have handy.

Here is the Wakizashi compared with my Zatoichi:

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Here is what the Wakizashi did to its shipping container... empty and unweighted except for the box it came in inside the box shipped in and a yellow mailer used for some CDs I also picked up today.

(New Link..) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIekw14DcVg

(Ignore the lack of style and turn off the sound. It's random bits from a news channel in the background and I'm not used to filming stuff for YouTube)

Note the result:

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Not only was both boxes cleanly severed, but a corner of the CD mailer was cleanly cut off as well.

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Now note the result of my Zatoichi...

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Same style and strength cut - and the blade is actually sharper than the stock Wakizashi. The unsevered/folded box traveled about 3 feet - as if it were hit with a bat (that is my sword "style" after all... :roll: )

I am... not impressed. (The Zatoichi is now relegated to the "stack o'blades".)

This Wakizashi is a really fine weapon, and covers a multitude of stylistic FAIL!s... Different than my Gladius, but certainly serviceable.
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Rusty wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:10 am Video unavailable...
Prolly too 'violent'....if he were a pro-isis college kid from Berkley, and it was a Trump doll instead of a cardboard box, it would have been ok....
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I have a thing for blades and being a Norse God myself, I just had to pound me out a double edge Viking sword out of a old buggy spring then make a 15" bladed long seax to go with it. Don't know what use their for, I'm about as limber as a dried oak post but there nice to have I guess.
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AJMD429 wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:54 am
Rusty wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:10 am Video unavailable...
Prolly too 'violent'....if he were a pro-isis college kid from Berkley, and it was a Trump doll instead of a cardboard box, it would have been ok....
Naah. I just don't know how to publish to YouTube correctly. The video always showed for me, but I guess not for anyone else. I think I have the privacy settings fixed now.

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Yes. And yet, Tomahawks and other blades are still in vogue with our troops... Funny, that.
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Old Ironsights wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:20 pm
Yes. And yet, Tomahawks and other blades are still in vogue with our troops... Funny, that.
H 2 H? You bet. Who the heck wants to let somebody with a blade get that close if you have a choice?
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BlaineG wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:03 pm
Old Ironsights wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:20 pm
Yes. And yet, Tomahawks and other blades are still in vogue with our troops... Funny, that.
H 2 H? You bet. Who the heck wants to let somebody with a blade get that close if you have a choice?
Nobody. But it happens. Boar Spears are good too.

But wouldn't it be a hoot to go mano-a-schweinhund with a durka durka headchopper?
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I think the Army should give more thought to hand to hand combat, knife and no knife. I don't know how often our troops go hand to hand anymore, but they really should know better than what the current training teaches. Blades win against flesh when in close.
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So why do you think the wakizashi performed better? the blade geometry ?
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gcs wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:51 pm So why do you think the wakizashi performed better? the blade geometry ?
I think so. The curved blade (which developed naturally from differential tempering) slices rather than chops. There's a reason even cleavers have a slight curve to them.

OTOH the longer the curved blade, the more useless it is for stabbing. The Wakizashi is still short enough to stay on point for stabbing, but it's still not as good as the Gladius.
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Interesting blade. Piller some units get quite a bit of hand to hand from the hunter school at Camp Pendleton, within individual units, sending some to civilian schools in various locations. and in SOCOM (Special Operations Command)..
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Paladin wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:43 pm Interesting blade. Piller some units get quite a bit of hand to hand from the hunter school at Camp Pendleton, within individual units, sending some to civilian schools in various locations. and in SOCOM (Special Operations Command)..
Regular Army didn't get any knife training when I was in. 1 day of hand to hand was it.
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piller wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:18 am
Paladin wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:43 pm Interesting blade. Piller some units get quite a bit of hand to hand from the hunter school at Camp Pendleton, within individual units, sending some to civilian schools in various locations. and in SOCOM (Special Operations Command)..
Regular Army didn't get any knife training when I was in. 1 day of hand to hand was it.
Yeah. Regular Grunts didn't (don't?) get much. Just the bare minimum bayonet work.

What's even worse is that COs don't get anywhere enough time or the correct training to deal with Cons with Shivs. PPCT is all fine and well, but you've gotta know how to fight a shiv - and the best way to do that is to know how to fight WITH a knife first.

If I can be sprayed in the face with Prison OC and still cuff and stuff someone, a Con can open your gut with a shiv in the same circumstances.

But even demonstrating this at DOC CO School couldn't convince the Peter Principle Brass...
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Paladin wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:43 pm Interesting blade. Piller some units get quite a bit of hand to hand from the hunter school at Camp Pendleton, within individual units, sending some to civilian schools in various locations. and in SOCOM (Special Operations Command)..
I'm liking it more and more... if I can't get to my Gladius. Here's what it can do to a treated 4x4:, stangard 1-1/2 hand w/follow-through:
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My Gladius does this - 1 hand, same 4x4, follow-through impossible:
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Frankly, if I were allowed to put on The Uniform and go back to play, I would still favor the Roman over the Wakizashi/Scimitar... more options in close...
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