Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
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Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
Got this one a few months ago. Took some photos today. It's a beauty, with lots of case colouring on the lever and some nice figuring on the buttstock.
SN 258230
SN applied: 3-8-1905
Date in: 3-28-1905
Type: Rifle
Caliber: 38/55
Barrel: Round
Trigger: Plain
Date shipped: 4-1-1905
Order: 5091
SN 258230
SN applied: 3-8-1905
Date in: 3-28-1905
Type: Rifle
Caliber: 38/55
Barrel: Round
Trigger: Plain
Date shipped: 4-1-1905
Order: 5091
Last edited by KirkD on Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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That's a real beauty Kirk. Shoot well?
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
Kirk, you always find a great gun & blow it out of the stadium with a awesome photo!!
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It shoots very well using a standard weight bullet (255 grains) at either the original BP velocity of 1,300 fps, or the later High Velocity 1,600 fps. I'm talking approximately 2", five-shot groups at 100 yards.Tycer wrote:That's a real beauty Kirk. Shoot well?
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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Wow, very nice!
Sounds like its a good shooter as well.
Sounds like its a good shooter as well.
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
Beautiful....
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
That's a really nice find, looks more like 2005 than 1905.
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
That's a gorgeous rifle.
I've never owned a 38/55 but have always been intrigued by that caliber. Congratulations on a great find.
Thank you for sharing.
I've never owned a 38/55 but have always been intrigued by that caliber. Congratulations on a great find.
Thank you for sharing.
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Nice one Kirk, I am still enjoying the one I got from you, great accuracy
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Pete, I'm glad you are still enjoying it. I was just thinking about that one the other day. It was my very first vintage Winchester and my first 38-55. I also bagged a Whitetail buck with that one. I've got a lot of good memories of that rifle.Borregos wrote:Nice one Kirk, I am still enjoying the one I got from you, great accuracy
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Spectacular rifle Kirk! Not many that well kept left anymore!
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Sweet rifle! Barrel length?
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
Such a fine rifle Kirk, 24 or 26 inch barrel? Will you make meat with it this year? I had a herd of does and a nice wide rack buck through here several times this afternoon. was carrying the 1892 32wcf but could not get the shot I wanted, they may be back tomorrow.
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Cat and Jerry, it is a standard 26" round barrel. I would very much like to make meat with it, but this year's hunt is over. In the meantime, however, I've already put about a hundred rounds through it at the range.JerryB wrote:Such a fine rifle Kirk, 24 or 26 inch barrel? Will you make meat with it this year?
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Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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Ok, I've got it down pat now... Kirk's "decent" rifle translates to my "safe queen"... That's a real looker Kirk!
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It`s a beauty Kirk, thanks for showing it.
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Kirk, it would look especially good with a cloud of white smoke coming out of it.
Thanks for sharing.
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nice shape ,boy if it could talk you would have to tell it to shut up.with all those years of stories.
thanks for the pictures there way better then words.
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
Wow, great rifle. Glad to see you post another great Winchester again.
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So what loads are you shooting through it? Factory or reloads? If the latter, would you care to share your loading data?
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I've probably done more load experimentation with the 38-55 than any other caliber, and with more different rifles/carbines. The rifle I now have is an example of a completely standard Winchester Model 1894 from that era. I find that the round barrel shooting characteristics are not the same as the octagon barrel characteristics.southfork wrote:So what loads are you shooting through it? Factory or reloads? If the latter, would you care to share your loading data?
One of the very interesting discoveries I made with this particular rifle is that it gives me the best accuracy at around 1,300 fps and 1,600 fps with a standard 255 grain cast bullet (my actual weight is 262 grains lubed, sized and gas-checked). In between, the groups tend to stretch out vertically.
1,300 fps:
My favourite powder is 5744 but I can't seem to find it anywhere up here in Canada anymore, so I've resorted to using 2400, in addition to 5744. The two loads are as follows:
15 grains of 2400 over a Winchester Magnum primer for 1,341 fps and a 4-shot group of 1 & 7/8" at 100 yards.
17 grains of 5744 over a Winchester Magnum primer for 1,307 fps and a 5-shot group of around 2" at 100 yards.
1,600 fps:
24 grains of RL-7 over a magnum primer, with a 262 grain Accurate GC soft cast bullet for 1,591 fps and a 10-shot group of 2 & 5/8" at 100 yards.
25 grains of RL-7 over a mag primer, with a 246 grain Stone Fence JFP bullet for 1,550 fps and a 5-shot group of 2 & 11/16" at 100 yards.
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
KirkD wrote:Got this one a few months ago. Took some photos today. It's a beauty, with lots of case colouring on the lever and some nice figuring on the buttstock.
SN 258230
SN applied: 3-8-1905
Date in: 3-28-1905
Type: Rifle
Caliber: 38/55
Barrel: Round
Trigger: Plain
Date shipped: 4-1-1905
Order: 5091
What a peach!
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You and Gamekeeper should come over sometime and we'll have a good time shooting it.Nath wrote: What a peach!
You sure can sniff'm out friend!
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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I'll get the canoe greased upKirkD wrote:You and Gamekeeper should come over sometime and we'll have a good time shooting it.Nath wrote: What a peach!
You sure can sniff'm out friend!
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
Kirk, Those loads that you developed look to be very accurate. Thanks for your notes. Which 255 grain mold did you use for casting the gas-checked bullets?
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love that 38-55.....real beauty!
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Very good looking rifle. Congrats.
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You really do know how to find them Kirk! That is one NICE rifle!
I am intrigued by your comment about the difference in octagon versus round barrel performance.
How do they differ in your experience?
I am intrigued by your comment about the difference in octagon versus round barrel performance.
How do they differ in your experience?
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The octagon artel is stiffer so is not so sensitive to different loads.geobru wrote:You really do know how to find them Kirk! That is one NICE rifle!
I am intrigued by your comment about the difference in octagon versus round barrel performance.
How do they differ in your experience?
South fork: it is an Accurate mould but I'm on the road for a few days and can't check the mould number. I'll try to remember to do that when I get back home.
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Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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WOW and NICE... :)
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Kirk, if your back at home from your travels, have you had a chance to check your 38-55 bullet mould particulars and number? I picked up my 38-55 Model 1894 rifle today. It also has a round barrel, but is a commemorative rifle.
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Nice looking rifle. 255 grains in .38 sounds as if it would be a long stable bullet. How well does it penetrate on game? Pass through on deer sized game?
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Piller, My son sent a Winchester 94 to JES Reboring 3or 4 years ago and we got back a really fine 38-55 carbine. Kirk gave me some load data and I shot a big doe that fall. The load was a 255 grain hard cast bullet and 18 grains of 5744 powder. The shot was a complete pass through at about 30 yards, that was a very dead deer. It was standing broad side, right side to me, all innards and left shoulder was jelled.
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Wow what a beautiful rifle, and well photographed.
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Good to be home for a few days. Sorry for the delay, Southfork. Here it is http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_det ... 255L-D.png I went with the brass, two-cavity option. For the last few years, I don't bother looking around for moulds, I just go straight to Accurate Moulds and see what they got. Customizing a mould is free. You specify your alloy and what you plan to size them to, and they adjust the mould diameter accordingly. Lubed and gas-checked, my bullets weigh in at 262 grains with clip on wheel weight alloy. They give excellent accuracy in my 38-55's as well as a 38-72 I once had.southfork wrote:Kirk, if your back at home from your travels, have you had a chance to check your 38-55 bullet mould particulars and number? I picked up my 38-55 Model 1894 rifle today. It also has a round barrel, but is a commemorative rifle.
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
A buddy of mine was given a Marlin 38-55, we finally tracked down a box of factory loads and took it to try it out. Couldn't hit paper at 50! So we moved to 25 and put a bigger piece of paper up, then we found it shot patterns instead of groups.
We knew the bore was dark and pitted but had no idea it was that bad!
Discussed having it relined but he wants it to stay original. So it hangs over his mantle now.
That Marlin probably never saw a cleaning rod!
Real shame, what a great caliber!
We knew the bore was dark and pitted but had no idea it was that bad!
Discussed having it relined but he wants it to stay original. So it hangs over his mantle now.
That Marlin probably never saw a cleaning rod!
Real shame, what a great caliber!
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I expect that the main problem is an oversize bore. I've seen Marlins with a .384 groove diameter. This can be fixed by sizing the bullets as large as they will chamber and using soft cast bullets. That Marlin with a 384 bore gave me 2" groups at 100 yards with oversize bullets. I've never seen a bore so bad it wouldn't give five-shot groups of 4" or less at 100 yards, and I've seen some sewer pipes in '73's and '76's. See if he can slug his bore and measure the groove diameter. I'll bet it's oversize.GunnyMack wrote:A buddy of mine was given a Marlin 38-55, we finally tracked down a box of factory loads and took it to try it out. Couldn't hit paper at 50! So we moved to 25 and put a bigger piece of paper up, then we found it shot patterns instead of groups.
We knew the bore was dark and pitted but had no idea it was that bad!
Discussed having it relined but he wants it to stay original. So it hangs over his mantle now.
That Marlin probably never saw a cleaning rod!
Real shame, what a great caliber!
Kirk: An old geezer who loves the smell of freshly turned earth, old cedar rail fences, wood smoke, a crackling fireplace on a snowy evening, pristine wilderness lakes, the scent of
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
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+1.KirkD wrote:I expect that the main problem is an oversize bore. I've seen Marlins with a .384 groove diameter. This can be fixed by sizing the bullets as large as they will chamber and using soft cast bullets. That Marlin with a 384 bore gave me 2" groups at 100 yards with oversize bullets. I've never seen a bore so bad it wouldn't give five-shot groups of 4" or less at 100 yards, and I've seen some sewer pipes in '73's and '76's. See if he can slug his bore and measure the groove diameter. I'll bet it's oversize.GunnyMack wrote:A buddy of mine was given a Marlin 38-55, we finally tracked down a box of factory loads and took it to try it out. Couldn't hit paper at 50! So we moved to 25 and put a bigger piece of paper up, then we found it shot patterns instead of groups.
We knew the bore was dark and pitted but had no idea it was that bad!
Discussed having it relined but he wants it to stay original. So it hangs over his mantle now.
That Marlin probably never saw a cleaning rod!
Real shame, what a great caliber!
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Re: Got my hands on a decent 38-55 (photos)
KirkD wrote:Good to be home for a few days. Sorry for the delay, Southfork. Here it is http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_det ... 255L-D.png I went with the brass, two-cavity option. For the last few years, I don't bother looking around for moulds, I just go straight to Accurate Moulds and see what they got. Customizing a mould is free. You specify your alloy and what you plan to size them to, and they adjust the mould diameter accordingly. Lubed and gas-checked, my bullets weigh in at 262 grains with clip on wheel weight alloy. They give excellent accuracy in my 38-55's as well as a 38-72 I once had.southfork wrote:Kirk, if your back at home from your travels, have you had a chance to check your 38-55 bullet mould particulars and number? I picked up my 38-55 Model 1894 rifle today. It also has a round barrel, but is a commemorative rifle.
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Thanks for that mold info, Kirk. I appreciate it!