Competition Shoot

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:38 am

Our club recently introduced a 50 meter Vettorli for Lever Action. The main rule is that you must shoot free-standing and must use original pistol caliber. Any powder will do/ You have about 1/2 an hour to get away 13 shots, the best 10 count for scoring each shot is graded out of 10 on a standard target.

I thought I might give it a try. I shoot at .357 Rossi with an octagonal barrel. 38 Special 158gr LFN 5.5 gr trailboss. This is my first attempt.
Score 83/100

I encourage anyone to post their 50 m or 50 yard targets so we can keep a tally. Obviously my score of 83 is easy to beat. Give it a go!

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:26 am

What is the target type/number...?

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:38 pm

So this is a Postal Match, sort of?

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:37 pm

Yeah - postal kind of - a smart phone camera competition!

Target info - Yes I guess we should be shooting at roughly the same kind of target!

This one has 10 concentric circles with 1 inch between each circle. The bull's eye being 2 inches in diameter.

Let me do some research on a common target if it will be a problem.

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:39 pm

KiwiKev wrote:Yeah - postal kind of - a smart phone camera competition!

Target info - Yes I guess we should be shooting at roughly the same kind of target!

This one has 10 concentric circles with 1 inch between each circle. The bull's eye being 2 inches in diameter.

Let me do some research on a common target if it will be a problem.

Well, if it's going to be scored we should all use the same target.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:36 pm

Merle wrote:
KiwiKev wrote:Yeah - postal kind of - a smart phone camera competition!

Target info - Yes I guess we should be shooting at roughly the same kind of target!

This one has 10 concentric circles with 1 inch between each circle. The bull's eye being 2 inches in diameter.

Let me do some research on a common target if it will be a problem.

Well, if it's going to be scored we should all use the same target.

Sheet of typing paper. A prezackly 2 inch circle in the middle. 10 Shots. Distance of each shot from exact center measured and added together. Metrics are easier to do that with.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:52 pm

For us 'Mericans, the NRA A-25 target has a 1" "X" ring, 2" 10 ring, and an inch thereafter. That would be an equivalent target to the one pictured... now, as to 50 meters... that might be problematic!!! I THINK I can pace of 50 39" paces... I can't find a place to download one from...

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:56 pm

What about a NRA SR-1 or the B6 target you can print from here?

http://downloads.bisonballistics.com/SR-1.pdf

http://www.flat5.net/b-6rc.pdf

Rules: Time limit? One Calendar month.
Score: Out of 100
Length: 50 meters or 50 yards? Or who cares? (50 yards is roughly 14 ft shorter than 50 yards - rough enough gentlemen and ladies. Though I could shoot 50 yards if I had too.
Each shooter submits a dated image of their target.

Overall score: Best average score over a maximum of 4 submitted targets over a calendar month. At the end of each month we declare the winner for that month.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:39 pm

I'm in. Off-hand, standing. No problem. It's the shooting that'll be the problem!

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:18 pm

BASIC - lets keep it simple - Rules!

1. Repeating Lever-action rifle, center-fire pistol caliber ONLY (.32 to .45 cal)
2. Shot in the free standing position. (unsupported)
3. Iron sights or tang sights ONLY - no fancy stuff - scopes etc
4. B6 target.
5. 10 Shots only
6. 50 yards (ish)
7. Image of target and with name and date written on target, posted for consideration.
8. A maximum of 4 targets submitted for each Calendar month.
9. Your highest score counts.
10. Winner posted at the beginning of the next Calendar month.
11. Open to all members of the forum as of October 1st 2016

Approved target:

http://www.flat5.net/b-6rc.pdf

Scoring: Count 10,9,8 and 7 if you hit the paper. A hit on the line counts to the highest value. Where there is a tie the most Xs hit in the 10 ring will be the tie- breaker.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:54 pm

Is 22 LR a pistol caliber? Mag?

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:47 pm

Tycer wrote:Is 22 LR a pistol caliber? Mag?

Maybe have two classes - centerfire & rimfire?
What about scoped vs iron sights?
I know - I'm an agitator....

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:17 am

SASS have a "buckaroo" category for individuals aged 13 and under. They use .22 ammo. If someone wants to set up a "buckaroo" competition that is great.

I suggest we stick to center fire .32 to .45 cal pistol.

Scopes? Refer to Rule 2.

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:27 am

KiwiKev wrote:SASS have a "buckaroo" category for individuals aged 13 and under. They use .22 ammo. If someone wants to set up a "buckaroo" competition that is great.

I suggest we stick to center fire .32 to .45 cal pistol.

Scopes? Refer to Rule 2.

OOPPSS - that one slid right by me...

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:46 am

KiwiKev wrote:I will keep a tally of scores posted. How about if we start the first competition from October 1st. I think either target is fine. Griff are you interested in being the seconder for scores? From now until the 1st of October we can trial a few practice rounds. Should we limit the number of shooters? First twenty?(too optimistic?) to register a target for that month will be considered registered for that month's competition.

1. Levergun (repeaters), pistol calibre ONLY, shot in the free standing position. 10 shots.
2. Iron sights or tang sight ONLY - no fancy stuff - scopes etc
3. Sr-1 or b6 target.
4. 50 yards (ish)
5. Image of target and date posted(written on target).
6. A maximum of 4 targets submitted for that month.
7. Your average score will be calculated.Let's not do this, just use highest score...
8. Winner posted at the beginning of the next Calendar month.
9. Prize: ??? for best target between 10/1 and 12/31, 50 cast bullets... (Hope you like .358, .452 or .309)

I can do that. No limit on # of shooters, only criteria, just be a member of forum as of Oct 1.

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:05 pm

I have updated the rules in the previous post to take into account previous suggestions. Griff with the scoring can I suggest 10,9,8, and on the paper 7.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:54 pm

KiwiKev wrote:I have updated the rules in the previous post to take into account previous suggestions. Griff with the scoring can I suggest 10,9,8, and on the paper 7.

I'd add that ties broken by "X" count.

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:59 pm

Hi Griff, can you elaborate?

"ties broken by "X" count."

If you hit the line the hole must be over 50%?

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:35 am

I've been taught that any line cut counts to the higher value. (Pays to shoot a larger caliber!)

Actually, it's much easier to tell if the line has been cut than whether 50% of the hole is in the higher value circle. The "X" count comes into play when two (or more), shooters have the same score, you count the number of hits in the "X" portion of the 10 ring and that count becomes the tie-breaker... if still tied, then tied it is.

boolitshooter · Post by **boolitshooter** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:22 am

Just a suggestion. Along with the target pictures a picture of the rifle used to shoot the targets should be included.

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:02 am

Okay Griff, I have amended rules. I think we could just stick to the B6 target for consistency. I don't know if we need an image of their rifle. You could post an image of a rifle without a scope and then use a scope which would not be in the spirit of the competition. Let assume that we are all honest folk who will abide by some basic rules for a fun competition.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:58 am

Sounds good. I've drafted a new thread, wholly for the posting of targets... any discussion of same should either be in this one, or in one the poster starts... at least until after the competition closes... Only posts other than those of the shooter's target should be those of the official scorekeeper... validating the score, KiwiKev and myself as second. I'll put it up a few days before competition opens... (as I'll be at a match til the 2nd of Oct. and don't know if I'll have internet out there)!! I'll amend this thread with a link to the "official" scoring thread at that time.

Maybe we can get a moderator to make it a sticky for the month of the competition?

Oh yeah, be kind in your comments, as your target could be the next up for discussion. And don't forget your ear & eye protection as you shoot!

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:51 pm

Just reminding everyone that the shooting competition begins this Saturday!

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:56 pm

KiwiKev wrote:Just reminding everyone that the shooting competition begins this Saturday!

I will put up the official thread for submitting scores tomorrow. In the official score thread, I've put that if someone feels like donating prizes, please PM either myself or KiwiKev.

Be prepared to pay for the postage if you donate a prize. Recognize that we have members from Europe, Africa, South America, Australia, New Zealand, besides the US... PM either myself or KiwiKev with your donation... and we'll PM you back after the close of match.

I might start off with the donation of a set of 45Colt RCBS Carbide dies for the top score... If you have something nicer, then this'll go to 2nd place! These ain't new, have been hanging around my shop for a few years... but I don't think I've ever used 'em.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:51 pm

Just in case you haven't seen it, the thread for posting your target images is here: October Lever action Pistol Caliber - Competition Shoot, pinned to the top of the stickies. Good luck to all entrants!

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:14 pm

THREE days into the competition and NO ONE has posted a pic. Ok, who's going to beat me tomorrow. I've got 6 rifles that shoot 45 Colt. I'll start with the 1986 production 1873 Uberti Rifle clone... Leaving the house for Las Vegas on Wednesday... what say y'all, at least six targets... who ain't chicken?

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:41 pm

Ok, I posted the first target... what're the rest of you chickens

waiting for? Shoulda shot yesterday, or earlier today before the winds started gusting...

Might even get up early tomorrow and shoot again...

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:52 pm

Griff wrote:Ok, I posted the first target... what're the rest of you chickens waiting for? Shoulda shot yesterday, or earlier today before the winds started gusting... Might even get up early tomorrow and shoot again...

Well....first I gotta clean the brass...punch out the primers.....
At least I don't have to cast any more.
Then find a couple of hours to bush hog the range....
I did print the targets yesterday !

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:01 am

I left LOTS of room for improvement!!!

Bulldog · Post by **Bulldog** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:10 pm

Hoping to find time this weekend to try a target or two with my Marlin 357 Cowboy.

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:28 am

Well done Griff. I was hoping to start Sunday last but got rained out. Here's hoping to get started this Sunday.

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:34 pm

Rule clarification

Here is the difference between A4 and US Letter

I think it is okay to score the 7 as you did hit the paper. I am guessing the B-6 targets will be either A4 or Letterhead.

Rule: 10 shots only. I think this means you load 10 shots into your rifle and take 10 shots at the target. In the Club Vettorli we allow 13 shots at the target and count the best 10. Twenty shots for 2 targets?

Cheers

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:35 pm

Rule clarification

Here is the difference between A4 and US Letter

I think it is okay to score the 7 as you did hit the paper. I am guessing the B-6 targets will be either A4 or Letterhead.

Rule: 10 shots only. I think this means you load 10 shots into your rifle and take 10 shots at the target. In the Club Vettorli we allow 13 shots at the target and count the best 10. Twenty shots for 2 targets?

Cheers

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:59 pm

KiwiKev wrote:Rule clarification

Here is the difference between A4 and US Letter

I think it is okay to score the 7 as you did hit the paper. I am guessing the B-6 targets will be either A4 or Letterhead.

Rule: 10 shots only. I think this means you load 10 shots into your rifle and take 10 shots at the target. In the Club Vettorli we allow 13 shots at the target and count the best 10. Twenty shots for 2 targets?

Cheers

Just HAD to tease ya LITTLE!

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:30 pm

Here is our range and some bits and pieces.
The 50 yard target is on the far right. Interestingly the B6 target when moved to 50 yards is the same size as the 50m target. I have posted a few images to give folk an idea. Including a practice target which has the outline of the size of the B6 target.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:52 am

KiwiKev, congrats on the improvement... that sinnin' (practicin'), pays off!

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:15 pm

I'm really enjoying this. I've never shot free hand for score. I've just done it for hunting, if I can hit the pie plate, I'm good to go. This is much harder. I'm using different muscles holding that octagon barrel up there for so long. 50 rounds and that front blade is swinging wildly.

Thanks for starting this.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:26 pm

Yep, MUCH harder than it looks. Patience pays off.

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:44 pm

Great shooting Tycer. And Good comments. Only hoping that more will dust of their leverguns and give the competition a crack. Interesting comment about being in the free standing position. It certainly is quite different to using a sling commonly associated with target shooting in a lying position. I personally found shooting a levergun in the lying position quite awkward, especially when it came to working the action.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:03 pm

When I shoot I normally have some sort of support either for the gun or me. Most often sitting or kneeling, sometimes standing with a tree as support for the forward hand.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:47 pm

13 Days left!!!

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:51 pm

Griff wrote:13 Days left!!!

I need a dang snorkel for the dang Henry in this dang weather.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:16 am

BlaineG wrote:
Griff wrote:13 Days left!!!
I need a dang snorkel for the dang Henry in this dang weather.

Don't any of the indoor ranges have 50 yard lines?

Les Staley · Post by **Les Staley** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:18 am

Is that an 8" bull? My wife's printer is out of ink, but I've got plenty of six and eight inch black bullseye targets.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:24 pm

Les Staley wrote:Is that an 8" bull? My wife's printer is out of ink, but I've got plenty of six and eight inch black bullseye targets.

Yep. 8"

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:47 am

Shasta, showing off his skills as a Levergun Silhouette shooter, (is that now "Master Class"?) is in the lead with a 95! Fantastic shooting. He's backed that up with a 94 that matches Tycer's best w/a 94. Top 4 scores have been shot with either a .32WCF or .44WCF!

10 days remaining! ...9 for you fellars west of the IDL!

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:33 pm

Brilliant shooting Shasta. Just shows what you can do with a levergun.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:08 pm

Ok, approximately 2-½ days left to get your scores posted @ October Lever action Pistol Caliber - Competition Shoot. Although I posted a couple of new targets, Shasta is still high @ 95. I'm sure there's a couple of you guys that can give him a run for top finish! Myself, I think I could of done better with a pistol!

Need some incentive? How about just the braggin' rights?

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:12 pm

Sixgun? Where's your target? KirkD, Marlinman93 and a few others... I'm a callin' you OUT!!!

KiwiKev · Post by **KiwiKev** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:59 pm

Surprised we have not got a lot more. Maybe folks are wanting to see how the first round goes. October has been pretty wet and windy here. Twp more days!

Will we just announce the November competition in the same thread?