Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
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Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
I have a request from my brother for a list of hyphenated cartridges of the past.
So I figured I'd ask here as my COTW is AWOL since the move.
How about we do it this way:
Winchester 1873:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1876:
45-60
45-75
50-90
Winchester 1886:
45-70
45-90
50-110
Winchester 1892:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1894:
30 W.C. F. ~ 30-30
32-40
38-55
Winchester 1895
?
Winchester single shots
?
As for the Marlins and others I really do not know enough to quote anything.
So can you guys fill in the blanks for me so I can make my brother happy?
Joe
So I figured I'd ask here as my COTW is AWOL since the move.
How about we do it this way:
Winchester 1873:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1876:
45-60
45-75
50-90
Winchester 1886:
45-70
45-90
50-110
Winchester 1892:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1894:
30 W.C. F. ~ 30-30
32-40
38-55
Winchester 1895
?
Winchester single shots
?
As for the Marlins and others I really do not know enough to quote anything.
So can you guys fill in the blanks for me so I can make my brother happy?
Joe
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
Joe, your Winchester book should have tons of info.
The 76 was 50-95. It also had a 40 cal round 40-60 or 65.
86 had 38-56, 40-65, 40-82, 50-100-450, and a couple others I'm forgetting. 40-72 maybe?
92, 25-20
94, 25-35
95, 40-72, another 40-something, 30 govt-03, 30 govt-06, 30-40 (aka 30 US and 30 Army)
The 76 was 50-95. It also had a 40 cal round 40-60 or 65.
86 had 38-56, 40-65, 40-82, 50-100-450, and a couple others I'm forgetting. 40-72 maybe?
92, 25-20
94, 25-35
95, 40-72, another 40-something, 30 govt-03, 30 govt-06, 30-40 (aka 30 US and 30 Army)
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
wonder if there are some more...not sureJ Miller wrote:I have a request from my brother for a list of hyphenated cartridges of the past.
So I figured I'd ask here as my COTW is AWOL since the move.
How about we do it this way:
Winchester 1873:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1876:
40-60
45-60
45-75
50-90 50-95
Winchester 1886:
45-70
45-90
50-110
.40-82 W.C.F. seen a few of these$$$$$
.40-65 W.C.F.
.38-56 W.C.F.
I have never seen these two calibers except in mags
.38-70 W.C.F.
.40-70 W.C.F.
Winchester 1892:
25 W.C.F. - 25-20
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1894:
30 W.C. F. ~ 30-30
32-40
38-55
Winchester 1895
30-40 craig
30-06
Winchester single shots
40-70, 40-90, 45-70, 45-90, 45-120, 50-110
30/40 Krag, 30 W.C.F.,
32 WCF, 38 W.C.F. and 44 W.C.F.
As for the Marlins and others I really do not know enough to quote anything.
So can you guys fill in the blanks for me so I can make my brother happy?
Joe
Last edited by RIHMFIRE on Mon May 02, 2016 8:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
J Miller wrote:I have a request from my brother for a list of hyphenated cartridges of the past.
So I figured I'd ask here as my COTW is AWOL since the move.
How about we do it this way:
Winchester 1873:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1876:
.40-60WCF
45-60
45-75
50-90
Winchester 1886:
.38-56WCF
.38-70WCF
.40-65WCF
.40-70WCF
.40-82WCF
45-70
45-90
50-110
.50-100-450
Winchester 1892:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1894:
.25-35WCF
30 W.C. F. ~ 30-30
32-40
38-55
Winchester 1895
?
.30/40 Krag
.30-03
.30-06
.40-72WCF
Winchester single shots - M-1885
?
.32-20WCF
.38-40WCF
.44-40WCF
.30-30WCF
.30-40 Krag
.40-70
.40-90
.45-70
.45-90
.45-120
.50-110
+ many various black powder cartridges ( Sharps & Ballard, etc ).
As for the Marlins and others I really do not know enough to quote anything.
MARLIN 1881
.32-40WCF
.38-55 Ballard
.40-60WCF
.40-85 Marlin
.45-70GOV'T
MARLIN 1888/89/1894/94
.25-20WCF
.32-20WCF
.38-40WCF
.44-40WCF
MARLIN 1893
.25-36 Marlin
.30-30 Win
.32-40WCF
.38-55WCF
MARLIN 1895
.38-56WCF
.40-65WCF
.40-70WCF
.40-82WCF
.45-70 Gov't
.45-90
So can you guys fill in the blanks for me so I can make my brother happy?
Joe
While there were other cartridges chambered, AFAIK, those are all the hyphenated designations.
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Last edited by Pete44ru on Mon May 02, 2016 8:36 pm, edited 9 times in total.
Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
Think 40-70(72?) may have been an 86 load also.
Forgot about the 38-70
Forgot about the 38-70
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt-
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
Malamute wrote:Think 40-70(72?) may have been an 86 load also.
Forgot about the 38-70
AFAIK, the .40-72WCF/.40-72 was introduced in the Winchester Model 1895.
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
I believe that the '85 Hi Wall was made in every cartridge that was available till after the turn of the century.
Add this to your list: '85 in 40-70 Ballard. I have one with a #4 barrel and a single set trigger.
Add this to your list: '85 in 40-70 Ballard. I have one with a #4 barrel and a single set trigger.
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
And a few more, chambered in both Sharps 1874s & Winchester 1885s & Remington Rolling Blocks:Pete44ru wrote:J Miller wrote:I have a request from my brother for a list of hyphenated cartridges of the past.
So I figured I'd ask here as my COTW is AWOL since the move.
How about we do it this way:
Winchester 1873:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1876:
.40-60WCF
45-60
45-75
50-90
Winchester 1886:
.38-56WCF
.38-70WCF
.40-65WCF
.40-70WCF
.40-82WCF
45-70
45-90
50-110
.50-100-450
Winchester 1892:
32 W.C.F. ~ 32-20
38 W.C.F. ~ 38-40
44 W.C.F. ~ 44-40
Winchester 1894:
.25-35WCF
30 W.C. F. ~ 30-30
32-40
38-55
Winchester 1895
?
.30/40 Krag
.30-03
.30-06
.40-72WCF
Winchester single shots - M-1885
?
.32-20WCF
.38-40WCF
.44-40WCF
.30-30WCF
.30-40 Krag
.40-70
.40-90
.45-70
.45-90
.45-120
.50-110
+ many various black powder cartridges ( Sharps & Ballard, etc ).
As for the Marlins and others I really do not know enough to quote anything.
MARLIN 1881
.32-40WCF
.38-55 Ballard
.40-60WCF
.40-85 Marlin
.45-70GOV'T
MARLIN 1888/89/1894/94
.25-20WCF
.32-20WCF
.38-40WCF
.44-40WCF
MARLIN 1893
.25-36 Marlin
.30-30 Win
.32-40WCF
.38-55WCF
MARLIN 1895
.38-56WCF
.40-65WCF
.40-70WCF
.40-82WCF
.45-70 Gov't
.45-90
So can you guys fill in the blanks for me so I can make my brother happy?
Joe
While there were other cartridges chambered, AFAIK, those are all the hyphenated designations.
.
.40-70SBN
.40-90SBN
.44-77
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
32-40 in 1894 and 1885 High Wall...
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
The Marlin 1888 was never offered in .25-20 anything. The 1889 was offered in .25-20 Marlin (25 guns sold) and the early 1894 was also .25-20 Marlin, and eventually dropped for the .25-20 WCF.
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
Malamute,
My Winchester book is in the same area as my COTW, AWOL. There's a lot of things I may never find again after that move.
As for the hyphenated cartridges all I can say is: WOW! I knew there was a bunch of them, but until now I'd never seen them all listed in the same place.
Thanks guys I do appreciate it. I'll send this to my brother and watch him send me more questions.
Joe
My Winchester book is in the same area as my COTW, AWOL. There's a lot of things I may never find again after that move.
As for the hyphenated cartridges all I can say is: WOW! I knew there was a bunch of them, but until now I'd never seen them all listed in the same place.
Thanks guys I do appreciate it. I'll send this to my brother and watch him send me more questions.
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts .***
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
I have a nice old octagon barreled 1895 Winchester chambered in .38-72 WCF. Nobody mentioned that caliber.
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
IIRC the book "Cartridges of the World" has a whole section on obsolete old cartridges like this. Be nice and buy him a copy for his birthday or whatever.
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
Or give him yours whenever you find it... you don't use it that often! Just kiddin' Joe!jnyork wrote:IIRC the book "Cartridges of the World" has a whole section on obsolete old cartridges like this. Be nice and buy him a copy for his birthday or whatever.
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Re: Hyphenated cartridges of the old west
Don't forget Teddy's "big medicine" in the 1895!
Also, the Russian government purchased a bunch of 1895's in 7.62x54R...
Great list Joe!
Also, the Russian government purchased a bunch of 1895's in 7.62x54R...
Great list Joe!