Suppresors

[hondo1892]

Guys, I know some of you have suppressors on your rifles. I've been thinking a lot lately about putting one on my AR. What would you guys recommend? Direct thread or quick detach? I would like one in the $500 range. How long does it take for the stamp also.

[fordwannabe]

I cannot help on pricing right now, but a buddy of mine is current on wait times, and he is saying about 10 months at this time.YMMV
Quick detach is nice if it fits in your budget. Tom

[6pt-sika]

We sell them and as of late they seem to be taking about 6 months .

I think $500 might be a little hard to keep the price under .

[hondo1892]

When I said $500 I meant between 500 and 600 not including the bribe.

[AJMD429]

I have a Gemtech Trek for my Mini-14 and AR-15, but since I sometimes use it on a rebarreled 10/22 Target Model, another 10\22 Takedown, a rebarreled Charger, an Encore single-shot in 300 Blk, a Mark-III/45, a Savage bolt-action 22, a Remington bolt-action 223, and a Savage bolt-action 308, I just got the 'threaded' version, since I didn't want to spend a fortune for all the 'quick detach' mounts. With the money I saved by not buying them, I was able to buy a second suppressor...!

So I bought a Liberty Cans Mystic. It is longer but lighter, comes apart, and has a 9mm bore. I use it more for the dirtier 22 LR guns now, since it is easier to clean. It can be used for 223/5.56, and of course for 357 Mag, 38 Spl, 9mm (Calico!), 32-20, 30-30, and. . . even 308 Win if you stay subsonic. Also great for 22 Hornet that I have a Contender pistol in, and perfect for my 300 Blk AR pistol... I have many guns I plan to thread now, including my 357 and 32-20 leverguns...!

If I just had one can I'd want the Mystic for that flexibility.

The Trek is sealed, harder to clean, but combat-durable.

Both were reasonably priced.

I also got a Thompson Machine Operator, which is an integrally-suppressed barrel for the 10/22. I put mine on my 96/22 levergun instead, which gets rid of the action-cycling sound. It is REALLY quiet. All you hear is the click of the hammer hitting the firing pin, then 2/3 of a second later the ding of bullet hitting 100 yard gong.

[hondo1892]

Thanks Doc that helped a bunch.

[AJMD429]

I forgot to mention 357 Maximum and 35 Remington, as ones I could use the Mystic for...

[6pt-sika]

FWIW , most of the suppressed guns I worked with had that quick detach abomination . And I personally hate it . It screws up your ability to use the spud bore sight thing and I realize there are other ways to bore sight . I just don't care for that thing on the end of the barrel .

Understandably if you like my friends wanted to use their 30 suppressor on their 223's that the only way you can do it easily .

[AJMD429]

Note with full power ammo in an AR-15, any suppressor will just convert the deafening, ear-damaging blast to more of a 'thump' noise, about like using a nail-gun or 22 LR. That still is nice, though, because it annoys neighbors less, deafens fellow shooters less, and gives you the option of not using muffs.

With subsonic ammo (you probably will have to reload your own as it is hard to find) it can be very quiet.

Watch twist rates though; if you cut velocity to 1/3 of normal, you need three times as fast a twist rate to get the RPM necessary to stabilize a given bullet. You should be ok if you don't try launching 75-80 grain 223's at 950 fps...if you are unsure, shoot the load without the suppressor and see if there is keyholing on paper at 200 yards or so; if not, they shouldn't yaw in the can and baffle-strike.

Cans put more soot and back-pressure into actions, so an adjustable gas-plug is nice for AR's; no biggie in the Mini-14 type actions.

If you get a Mystic, you can buy a 300 Blk barrel, and convert your AR to 300 Blk easily, and with subsonic loads (200 grains or so at 1000 fps) you will be REALLY quiet. Or just get a complete upper so you can go back to that old obsolete 223 for nostalgic purposes. . I did that, but wound up getting a separate lower I bought and registered as a 'pistol' so I put an 8" 300 Blk barrel on that setup. It is as easy to hit with out to 100 yards as the 300 Blk rifle was, and is more compact and fun, plus with the 8" Mystic the barrel winds up being about 16" like an un-suppressed gun.

*** I should note that the Mystic comes with different rear-end pieces, so is useable on different threads; that is why you can use it on multiple calibers without a separate 'adapter'.

[6pt-sika]

Also FWIW I've been vacillating the last couple years on whether to buy a Remington 700 Tac 16.5" 308 for use with a suppressor and sub sonic . And while the gun cost does not bother me the thing that gets me is being able to resell the used suppressor that's pretty much cost plus $200 down the drain from the moment you pay for it !

[AJMD429]

Also FWIW I've been vacillating the last couple years on whether to buy a Remington 700 Tac 16.5" 308 for use with a suppressor and sub sonic . And while the gun cost does not bother me the thing that gets me is being able to resell the used suppressor that's pretty much cost plus $200 down the drain from the moment you pay for it !

That's one reason I got the Mystic; it was $300 more than the cheapest competitor, but the multi-caliber potential saved me from buying all sorts of adapters, or other suppressor (you can only use one at a time anyway!), so I figured even if I sold a particular rifle, is always have something I could use it on, so would never wind up selling it.

I do like having the 'dedicated' Trek for the AR-15 and Mini-14, but "if I could only have one suppressor" it would be the Mystic.

As for the little Operative.....now that is just plain FUN, even though it is pretty much a one-gun item.