OT-SCOTUS upholds lethal injection/death penalty

[Ridgerunner]

by 7-2 ruling.....

[scr83jp]

by 7-2 ruling.....

Thanks for the info that's excellent news for me I've been a death penalty supporter for years even before I was employed in LE because it's Anti Recidivistic.

[Blaine]

Being "put to sleep" is too good for most of those sorry scum........

[Old Ironsights]

Too Bad.

IMO the only legitimate and truly ethical form of "execution" is of the perpetrator at the time of the crime by the potential victim.

That's what self defense & RKBA is all about.

There are and have been too many incidents of "OOPS" in Death Row cases for me to feel comfortable with anything but Self Defense Justifiable Homicide & immediate (taken them out back and hang/shoot them) execution of multiple conviction violent crime recividists.

Better that a thousand guilty go free, than one innocent be punished.

Basic principle of US Jurisprudence that is often ignored...

[Sixgun]

I guess George W. did some good while in office by nominating some decent justices.

The needle is too easy. I'm all for hanging in the public square.---Sixgun

[Ysabel Kid]

I guess George W. did some good while in office by nominating some decent justices.

The needle is too easy. I'm all for hanging in the public square.---Sixgun

+1 on the hanging. Being the vindictive *** that I am, I would like to see them executed in the same manner as they committed their murder. Do that, consistently and quickly, and we'd see murder rates drop like lead balloons!

[Rusty]

Our founding fathers thought hanging by the neck was OK. If it was OK then it should be OK now, right? They wrote it, they should know.

[JReed]

Yep every Court House should have a big old oak tree out front just for the purpose of disposing undesirables.

[tube_ee]

But...

The number of people exonerated by DNA evidence after conviction has to give pause...

Execution of the innocent is murder, pure and simple.

To me, this is the basic question:

What number of wrongly executed innocents is acceptable?

To me, that number is zero. That is my only objection to capital punishment, that I don't know how we achieve that number, and that no higher level is OK with me.

For those who support execution, (and I do, except for this one issue,) what do we do? Or is some number of innocent people executed something that you're willing to accept, for some other good outcome? If so, what is that number? 1? 100? 1,000? Where do we draw the line?

--Shannon

[Ysabel Kid]

But...

The number of people exonerated by DNA evidence after conviction has to give pause...

Execution of the innocent is murder, pure and simple.

To me, this is the basic question:

What number of wrongly executed innocents is acceptable?

To me, that number is zero. That is my only objection to capital punishment, that I don't know how we achieve that number, and that no higher level is OK with me.

For those who support execution, (and I do, except for this one issue,) what do we do? Or is some number of innocent people executed something that you're willing to accept, for some other good outcome? If so, what is that number? 1? 100? 1,000? Where do we draw the line?

--Shannon

It is a good argument, and one that should give everyone pause.

I think we forget though that not executing violent criminals - specifically murders - does have a cost as well. Our choice is either to incarcerate them for their entire lives (at great expense to the State, and thus, us as taxpayers), or free them at some point (to the risk of society, and a slap to the families of their victims).

Think of it this way. What level of death is acceptable from us owning and driving automobiles? Approximately 40,000 people die each year on our highways, and death in automobile-related accidents is the number one killer of our youth. We can certainly cut down that number by either reducing access to automobiles and/or reducing the speed limit. If we cut the speed limit down to 30 mph max, it would more than half the death rate. If we cut it down to 5 mph, it would almost eliminate the death toll. If we also banned alcohol and cell phone altogether, we wouldn't have to lower the speed limit as much to achieve the same reduction.

You see my point. We have decided as a society that the cost associated with these steps outweighs the benefits of the reduction in deaths. Or rather, more accurately, the reduction in deaths doesn't outweigh the huge cost to society of the reduction in our mobility and thus our standard of living. It is not pleasant to contemplate, but it is fact.

Our appeals process is long and I am unaware of any case where someone has been executed that has later been exonerated through DNA evidence. I suspect the latter is correct; we let a lot of killers off the hook due to doubt. This is what a humane society does. But a humane and just society also executes predators in their mist. What we need to do is do so more rapidly and certainly when the evidence is incontravertable.

Excellent point tube_ee. We all like to think critically here, and this helps!

[Old Ironsights]

Tube_ee is spot on with my concerns.

There IS a solution though.

Only Execute convicted violent recividists.

A man can get railroaded, falsely covicted and/or just be in the wrong place at tthe wrong time once... but not 3 times. (If you are too stupid to move out of an area where you have been railroaded/someone is out to get you, you may be too stupid to live...)

There is also a chance of a genuine Life Conversion after an initial incarceration, even if guilty.

Kill Violent Criminals in the act. Convict and imprison/rehab first who aren't killed in self defense. Execute recividists.

No more "oops"es.

[Blackhawk]

I guess George W. did some good while in office by nominating some decent justices.

The needle is too easy. I'm all for hanging in the public square.---Sixgun

+1 on the hanging. Being the vindictive *** that I am, I would like to see them executed in the same manner as they committed their murder. Do that, consistently and quickly, and we'd see murder rates drop like lead balloons!

I'd add to that public floggings on the town square for lesser penalties. X amount of lashes for X crime. But of course to many would think such a thing barbaric. Nevermind holding responsible for their actions.