45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
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45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Yesterday was such a nice day in Southwest Montana, and we took advantage of it and shot the hell out of gophers with a plethora of varmint rifles, most notably the 45-70 with hollow points...
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Robert Ruark wrote a book called "Use Enough Gun". I think you got that covered.
I wouldn't want to face a wounded gopher!
I wouldn't want to face a wounded gopher!
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
After I posted I got curious. None of the Ruark books are available as ebooks.
But:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss? ... r+Capstick
But:
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Practice is practice, if you can hit Gophers all else should be a piece of cake.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Ya ruined all the meat!!!
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Chuck 100 yd wrote:Ya ruined all the meat!!!
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Ruark's comment immediately came to my mind too. I was slow on the draw though.
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Yo Shrap......THATS how to do it......Elmer Keith style. What was your load?
By the way, tell Mike another excellent article in the latest "Handloader",on the 405 and your octagon barreled 40-72. Very enjoyable.
And by Lordy, I too, was not aware of the difference in rim thickness between the 405 and the 40-72.
When you see him, ask him what he wants for the deluxe 95 in 405.....tell him I'll trade him the Colt Slip gun that Elmer Keith used and is written up by John Taffin in the latest issue of "Guns Magazine"...and for that matter, I'll take your 40-72 when you get tired of it. Got lots of trade stock.....Many years ago when Walt Melander (NEI) was still alive he made me a 300 grain semi spitzer gas check mould for the 405. I use it in my original Schuetzen Winchester 1885 Hi-Wall in 40-82....incrementally sized down to .4085.........will hit beer cans out to 300 meters.......when I'm feeling good and the wind is not blowing too bad.------6
How come Mike V. don't play over here.? I'd like to converse with him. Been reading his articles when no one knew his name.
By the way, tell Mike another excellent article in the latest "Handloader",on the 405 and your octagon barreled 40-72. Very enjoyable.
And by Lordy, I too, was not aware of the difference in rim thickness between the 405 and the 40-72.
When you see him, ask him what he wants for the deluxe 95 in 405.....tell him I'll trade him the Colt Slip gun that Elmer Keith used and is written up by John Taffin in the latest issue of "Guns Magazine"...and for that matter, I'll take your 40-72 when you get tired of it. Got lots of trade stock.....Many years ago when Walt Melander (NEI) was still alive he made me a 300 grain semi spitzer gas check mould for the 405. I use it in my original Schuetzen Winchester 1885 Hi-Wall in 40-82....incrementally sized down to .4085.........will hit beer cans out to 300 meters.......when I'm feeling good and the wind is not blowing too bad.------6
How come Mike V. don't play over here.? I'd like to converse with him. Been reading his articles when no one knew his name.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Ewwww yuckapooi .... you killed 'em .
They first thought that came to my mind when I read your story about shooting goofers with a 45-70 was of former member bentbarrel who shot ground squirrels S E of Phoenix with a 45-70.
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They first thought that came to my mind when I read your story about shooting goofers with a 45-70 was of former member bentbarrel who shot ground squirrels S E of Phoenix with a 45-70.
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Hopin' the weather was better than on Friday! I drove across eastern MT (I-94) and the wind blew pretty good! Still blowin' over here in ND yesterday also! If you're good enough to hit gophers with a .45-70, you're either much better than I, or the gophers are larger up her than I'm used to!!!
Thunk about callin' Mike on Friday when I went thru Livingston... but wanted to get over to Big Timber before they closed.
Thunk about callin' Mike on Friday when I went thru Livingston... but wanted to get over to Big Timber before they closed.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
I would say that was the right gun to use. Those gophers are nasty critters know to charge without provocation. Glad see none of you were harmed
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
I've seen people rave about the 'light loads' and 'cast-lead loads' and 'plinking loads' and 'cat-sneeze loads' they've used from their 375 H&H's, and that's one reason I bought the ballistically-identical 375 Ruger (just an 'Ackley-ized' shortened and steeper-shouldered 375 H&H); I thought that it might make a great 'all-around' rifle for many uses.
Much the same could be done with the 45-70 I'm sure, or basically most any powerful round, if one wanted to take the time to develop the loads.
An advantage of the 45-70 is that the 'light' loads have already been developed (they were the original loads), and the heavier loads are all later-vintage. With the 375 H&H or Ruger, the heavy loads are the original ones, and one has to work 'backwards' for the light loads.
Much the same could be done with the 45-70 I'm sure, or basically most any powerful round, if one wanted to take the time to develop the loads.
An advantage of the 45-70 is that the 'light' loads have already been developed (they were the original loads), and the heavier loads are all later-vintage. With the 375 H&H or Ruger, the heavy loads are the original ones, and one has to work 'backwards' for the light loads.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
That's an admirable wound channel.
I think you've found your gopher load.
I think you've found your gopher load.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
oh the 45-70 does a fine job on them! yes liked the guns & the article in the Handloader
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
far easier to hit the gopher with the 45 than the 223, it's a BIG BULLET, how can it miss?
good shooting and nice to see the young one learning to appreciate the facts.
Grizz
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Did you get a pass through being a hollow point n'all?
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Is that out on the news-stands already? Mike won't be trading the 405 anytime soon, it is a gift from Hank Williams Jr. He posts on the Shiloh website fairly regularly, but like most of these sites, it too has become a dumpster of drivel. So much malcontent these days, almost every site has more than it's share of whiners and detractors, he has even spoken of laying off Shiloh for awhile...Sixgun wrote:Yo Shrap......THATS how to do it......Elmer Keith style. What was your load?
By the way, tell Mike another excellent article in the latest "Handloader",on the 405 and your octagon barreled 40-72. Very enjoyable.
And by Lordy, I too, was not aware of the difference in rim thickness between the 405 and the 40-72.
When you see him, ask him what he wants for the deluxe 95 in 405.....tell him I'll trade him the Colt Slip gun that Elmer Keith used and is written up by John Taffin in the latest issue of "Guns Magazine"...and for that matter, I'll take your 40-72 when you get tired of it. Got lots of trade stock.....Many years ago when Walt Melander (NEI) was still alive he made me a 300 grain semi spitzer gas check mould for the 405. I use it in my original Schuetzen Winchester 1885 Hi-Wall in 40-82....incrementally sized down to .4085.........will hit beer cans out to 300 meters.......when I'm feeling good and the wind is not blowing too bad.------6
How come Mike V. don't play over here.? I'd like to converse with him. Been reading his articles when no one knew his name.
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I hear ya Shrapnel! There are many guns I plan on dying with and those include many of my single action Colts, a few pre war large frame Smiths, and a mess of quality Winchesters. I'm sure Mike feels the same way with much of his nice stuff.
As for the drivel....well.......your going to get that anywhere. Lordy, out of your neighbors, there's always going to be the one that's poking over the fence hawking you out and the one who has junk cars on cider blocks.....but I'm not going to let that deter me from having fun.......block em out.
Same thing with forum chat rooms. Most guys are decent respectable individuals who are regular contributors and a few are miserable shyts who really need to go out in the woods with a big bore handgun and let the gun win. ------They know who they are..........-------6
As for the drivel....well.......your going to get that anywhere. Lordy, out of your neighbors, there's always going to be the one that's poking over the fence hawking you out and the one who has junk cars on cider blocks.....but I'm not going to let that deter me from having fun.......block em out.
Same thing with forum chat rooms. Most guys are decent respectable individuals who are regular contributors and a few are miserable shyts who really need to go out in the woods with a big bore handgun and let the gun win. ------They know who they are..........-------6
Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Shrapnel what is your load? And that is a very fine rifle you have there.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
The blown up gopher was shot with a factory 300 grain hollow point bullet. My loads are all done with 405 grain cast bullets and 5744 powder. That load will completely penetrate a buffalo...
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So envious! I still have killing a buffalo with my 45-90, '86 on my bucket list. Just need to get it done before I croak.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
The Sharps works too...
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Nice pictures Shrapnel......you don't let the grass grow under your feet......I feel the same....grab life while you can........ain't no sense playing commando keyboard specialist 24/7. ----6
Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
So not fair Going after buffalo is my dream hunt and you go and do it with my dream gun a1874.
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I did it again, this time with a real buffalo rifle. A walter Cooper marked 1874 in 40-90 Bottleneck...
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Bill Mauldin's cartoon lives!JReed wrote:I would say that was the right gun to use. Those gophers are nasty critters know to charge without provocation. Glad see none of you were harmed
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Wow. What is your load for that fine ole girl?Shrapnel wrote:I did it again, this time with a real buffalo rifle. A walter Cooper marked 1874 in 40-90 Bottleneck...
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
some 1 had to eat a lot of buffalo burger there. Nice pictures and guns too.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
We are still in the development stages of this Cartridge. I have 2 original '74s in the 40-90 Bottleneck and both were shipped to Montana in the late 1870's. Between Kirk from Shiloh Rifles, Mike Venturino who writes for "Guns" magazine and Orville Loomer, we are trying to find the perfect match of a paper patch bullet and black powder.JReed wrote:Wow. What is your load for that fine ole girl?Shrapnel wrote:I did it again, this time with a real buffalo rifle. A walter Cooper marked 1874 in 40-90 Bottleneck...
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Shootin' gophers with a .45-70....unless youse shootin' thru a tree or the pond dam youse cheatin'.
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Nice Browning SRC 45-70! If a fellow can dial in gophers with his 45-70, then he's ready for anything.
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Doesnt look like that barrel has any taper to it at all. The finish is very well preserved if she could talk I wonder the tail she would tell.
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I also shoot a .40-90SBN, though mine's a Shiloh. I bought it new in 1987. I'd love to hear more about your loads! What twist are your barrels? What bullets have you used? Powder compression, yes/no? What specific BP? Details, don't tease us!
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
I've always wanted a .577 Nitro Express, the 750 gr solid will pass through an elephant lengthwise. That'll teach them gophers!
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
That looks like too much fun. Do you need a shooter to back you up?
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I think he needs to do a topic just on his Sharps rifles.Griff wrote:I also shoot a .40-90SBN, though mine's a Shiloh. I bought it new in 1987. I'd love to hear more about your loads! What twist are your barrels? What bullets have you used? Powder compression, yes/no? What specific BP? Details, don't tease us!
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Re: 45-70 And Gophers Perfect Match
Sixgun wrote:Yo Shrap......THATS how to do it......Elmer Keith style. What was your load?
By the way, tell Mike another excellent article in the latest "Handloader",on the 405 and your octagon barreled 40-72. Very enjoyable.
And by Lordy, I too, was not aware of the difference in rim thickness between the 405 and the 40-72.
When you see him, ask him what he wants for the deluxe 95 in 405.....tell him I'll trade him the Colt Slip gun that Elmer Keith used and is written up by John Taffin in the latest issue of "Guns Magazine"...and for that matter, I'll take your 40-72 when you get tired of it. Got lots of trade stock.....Many years ago when Walt Melander (NEI) was still alive he made me a 300 grain semi spitzer gas check mould for the 405. I use it in my original Schuetzen Winchester 1885 Hi-Wall in 40-82....incrementally sized down to .4085.........will hit beer cans out to 300 meters.......when I'm feeling good and the wind is not blowing too bad.------6
How come Mike V. don't play over here.? I'd like to converse with him. Been reading his articles when no one knew his name.
Sixgun, Mike V. is on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/mike.venturino.37?fref=ts
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The Browning 86 SRC is as close to a custom made, affordable gun that's still out there. You can hunt anything in the world with it, and still pass it down to your grandson and it will outlast him. NICE!
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yup. like mine. love the way it sounds, kind of like all the parts are in there on purpose.
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I remember a target of opportunity, a crow, that I shot with the old Federal HP 300gr 45-70.....About fifteen years ago....the feathers are still floating to earth...
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