A couple 12-pounders with canister, smoke & concussion should end that.


Ahhh . . .rjohns94 wrote:Laws here in Pa. Do not allow a loaded rifle in the car. They do allow loaded handguns within the law.
That's probably the most important part; whatever you choose, be very familiar with it.2X22 wrote:
I strapped on my .44 Ruger flattop, because I carry it everyday and shoot it most of those days. The other was a 20" Marlin Cowboy in .44, because it's my hiking rifle and I have it in my hand about 305 days of the year and I shoot it most of those days. Plus I have 15 extra rounds in my belt loops.
I guess I'd use the same guns if it were 4 or 14 simply because I'm most comfortable with them.
Lastmohecken wrote:In a vehicle, I like a Glock 22 or 17 with a few extra mags. The Ferguson Mo problem, if I lived close, I would prefer to stay home, in which case, I would probably have every gun I owned loaded to the gunnels, Handguns, shotguns and rifles, and mags, but having plenty of food and water on hand, so one didn't need venture out, would probably be more important.
If I lived close and still had to go drive to work, then I just might add a rifle to the Glock, for commuting. Probably an AR -15, something that I had no emotional regard for, in case I lost it. Another reason I like the Glock for pickup carry; they are not that expensive, and easy to replace, but pretty reliable, and mags are fairly easy to come by.
Where a guy or family could get in trouble is when traveling on the road in unfamiliar country, or through unfamiliar cities when something like that goes down, and there is no predicting when or where something like that could happen. I know when I travel I usually carry at least a couple of handguns and several mags, just in case I got caught out in a nation emergency. A long gun would probably bring too much attention if I had to walk out. It would be best to become the grey man, that no one really sees, keeping my weapons hidden from view.
One thing to keep in mind if you find yourself in a riot in a vehicle; the older rigs could be used as a bulldozier, by backing into things in reverse, or if really old enough maybe from the front if driving some good old heavy American Iron, but the newer rigs have gas tank switches that will shut off fuel if involved in a hard hit to the rear, and unfortunately the front ends are designed to crunch up, easily. So with a modern rig, more careful driving will be required then if you were driving an 80 something Lincoln or older pickup with a good bumper front and rear. But getting the heck out of Dodge would be my first thought.
That's one of the reasons I went with the 40 cal Kel Tec Sub 2000. Folded and in a laptop bag it doesn't draw much attention. Rather than leave it in the truck for a smash and grab I have taken in restaurants and other places where concealed carry is normal. The bag has a sturdy shoulder strap and room for additional mags and ammo, even extra flashlight batteries.Malamute wrote:Well, you're still getting some off topic comments. Remember guys, this isn't about being at home. Assume any long gun is going to start out as unloaded and in a case if anything happens.
I'd suggest whatever long(er) gun you choose, having it be takedown or foldable may be a good idea, to be able to stow it in a day pack or small duffel in case you ended up in a wreck, or on foot for some reason in a time of unrest. I was thinking of suggesting an M-1 Carbine, but it doesnt take down easily like an AR.
Still liking the glock 9mm models and the availability of the 33 rd mags for a riot situation.
I'd actually thought of the M1 Carbine too. I think set up as such in this Choate side folder its a good rig. But in my locale, the 18" M1A in a folder is a better choice.Malamute wrote:Well, you're still getting some off topic comments. Remember guys, this isn't about being at home. Assume any long gun is going to start out as unloaded and in a case if anything happens.
I'd suggest whatever long(er) gun you choose, having it be takedown or foldable may be a good idea, to be able to stow it in a day pack or small duffel in case you ended up in a wreck, or on foot for some reason in a time of unrest. I was thinking of suggesting an M-1 Carbine, but it doesnt take down easily like an AR.
Still liking the glock 9mm models and the availability of the 33 rd mags for a riot situation.
Those are pretty easy to make. But personally, I'd just use a field expedient weapon that's been popular for decades. Simple components that are easily available, and has been known to stop Russian tanks. Works well against unprotected humans, as well.casastahle wrote:For "mob control, self protection, riot/looters ect."
A couple of hand grenades come to mind.
rjohns94 wrote:So we have in the news rioting in Mo, ISIS saying they are coming after us, violence in the streets in major cities. Is there scenarios you have considered the growing uncertainty in the world and how it might affect you and your family? I was considering my CCW in light of the news and I am finding it woefully lacking should a riot break out over a shooting, a food shortage, a power outage, storm aftermath, terrorist attack or any other such event. I'm considering keeping the 642 as a CCW but having something MORE, MAS, available close by in my vehicle. So my question is,
High capacity handgun or carbine, or shotgun? What do you or would you choose? Pistol caliber carbine? 5.56 platform? What features do you consider important on such a weapon? Open sights? Red dot? Collapsible stock? Single point sling? Scope?
Personally I'm reconsidering my position on a 5.56 platform and considering a gas piston Sig 5.56 with collapsable stock, 30 round magpul Mags, open flip up/down sights and a red dot sight. Sorry no levergun or shotgun. Has to be a mag fed weapon due to legal restrictions, and offer precise shooting to a reasonable distance. Looking at some pistol to carbine conversion units also.
Let me hear your thoughts.
Malamute wrote:Ridgerunner wrote:Nothing wrong with a good 870 Rem. I have several in various locations around the house. In my time as a firearms instructor, I found that the recoil of the shotgun was the major factor most shooters had problems with. There are other items of self defense around the house, but I have killed many a deer with #1 & 00 buck. Not crazy about the big hollow base standard rifled slug, but a 20 ga. Partition Gold 3" slug will shoot almost front to back lengthwise on Bambi. Lever guns are good, also, but a bit slow to reload. Whatever you use, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!! Shooting is a perishable skill. Ammo is somewhat of a problem, but most of us can manage 10-15 rounds a month, concentrating on sight picture, trigger press and proper breathing control. On a handgun, a proper grip is essential also. IMHO.
Yes, but this isn't about around the house. The reason for not wanting a shotgun were outlined in the OP. (as were the reasons for not wanting a levergun,...)
Malamute wrote:
For curiosity sake, can anyone say how long is each half of a 16" barrel AR upper and lower with collapsing stock?
Don't go taking all the fun out of it; of course we know better than the OP what the OP is asking. . . that's what Internet Forums are all about, isn't it...?Merle wrote:However, it seems as if a lot of folks either didn't read, or understand, the OP.
Or maybe they just know what you need better than you do.
AJMD429 wrote:Just thinkin' - all this is just normal stuff to talk about to most of us here on this forum, who come from a wide variety of backgrounds, but share the common thread of being self-sufficient, well-educated, intelligent, hard-working, law-abiding citizens who have broad life experiences, and who place a high value on family and friends, and thus their safety, as well as that of the community at-large.If I had to go to town on a regular basis I would want an AR or M1A in the truck over a levergun, but for out here they are more than adequate.
On the other hand, think how such a comment would sound to the self-anointed liberal intellectuals (who typically have less education than the average 'redneck' in 'flyover country' they make fun of), who have been raised in sheltered, socially intolerant, government-dependent households.
"OMG - they feel a need to have g-g-g-guns in their vehicles...!!!"![]()
Obviously, one must have an EBD to go with their EBR. . .markinalpine wrote:Get a dog.
If you can, get a big dog.
And for maximum impact at night, get a big, black dog.
Ditto that Blaine.BlaineG wrote:No intended insult to anyone, but a murderous crowd is not likely to instantly materialize, and not likely in other than a large urban area. I'd be moving away from the epicenter at the very first sign of unrest. If I'm followed, the EDC will have to suffice. The Motorcycle, or Jeep really does not have a decent place to conceal a long gun. In the big RV Van, I can keep long guns, but I don't usually drive that into town.
You're right - the BEST 'survival tool' is just common sense, and having your brain 'on' instead of being oblivious. The ideal firearm to use in the process is still important, but first you have to live long enough to use it...BlaineG wrote:No intended insult to anyone, but a murderous crowd is not likely to instantly materialize, and not likely in other than a large urban area. I'd be moving away from the epicenter at the very first sign of unrest.
Ideally, yes, though its not inconceivable that the situation can form around you. You can be there for business or personal reasons, be involved in something, even hanging out in your hotel room, and suddenly you are in the middle or close to it. There was a Jewish guy in California that was at a theater, when a riot expanded (Rodney King period?) into the area the theater was in. Most people chose to hide in place, but as the security people were unarmed, and pretty much unable to do anything serious to protect anyone, he decided to leave with his wife. They had some dicey moments when trying to leave the area, and spent several days in fear at home. It was in a blog post or something similar, about how an unarmed Jew suddenly became a gun owner.BlaineG wrote:No intended insult to anyone, but a murderous crowd is not likely to instantly materialize, and not likely in other than a large urban area. I'd be moving away from the epicenter at the very first sign of unrest. If I'm followed, the EDC will have to suffice. The Motorcycle, or Jeep really does not have a decent place to conceal a long gun. In the big RV Van, I can keep long guns, but I don't usually drive that into town.
Dogs are great, but not always handy to take along in the car all the time when out of town, or for dealing with riots.markinalpine wrote:Get a dog.
If you can, get a big dog.
And for maximum impact at night, get a big, black dog.
Thanks.Lastmohecken wrote:
My M4 Bushy measure 15" on the back part and 24 on the barrel and bolt, so about 24 inches would get it.
BlaineG wrote:No intended insult to anyone, but a murderous crowd is not likely to instantly materialize, and not likely in other than a large urban area. I'd be moving away from the epicenter at the very first sign of unrest. If I'm followed, the EDC will have to suffice. The Motorcycle, or Jeep really does not have a decent place to conceal a long gun. In the big RV Van, I can keep long guns, but I don't usually drive that into town.
Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:Handguns are only carried to buy you time to get to your real gun.
That's why they are called sidearms. You don't always have your long gun within reach.
Of course if you know you are going to a gunfight, you take your biggest,baddest gun and all your friends with their biggest, baddest guns.
rjohns94 wrote:Yep, I agree to make or keep distance from any situation but panic happens quickly as do mobs. I didn't hear about the shooting of Brown until after the riots started, I was at a promise keepers event in Anaheim when a riot broke out while I was inside. I hunkered down for HUGO and had the opportunity to stay in place also for DAVID in CT. Sometimes you just get caught in stuff. I'm traveling the country with my work and I spend too much time near large populations away from home. Earthquake in California today highlights this stuff can happen at any time and could certainly happen without warning and without ability to be far away. IMHO
No 45 ACP, but they do make a 40 S&W version.Panzercat wrote:@ AJMD429
How's that Calico been working out for you? Is it a newer or older model? Reviews seem to be mixed with a lot of hearsay in-between. Something about the 100 round mag being iffy but the 50 being okay... I kinda want. Kinda not sure.
But then again, i'd rather have 45acp too
That's one of the reasons I've been looking very hard at the Sig AR platform pistols with the 'arm brace'. It's basically a legal SBR, but classified as a pistol so there is no tax stamp or wait time. I really didn't like them all that much until I found out you can slide the brace back to make it a more suitable length for a buttstock. The idea of a super compact AR "pistol" with a 7-9" barrel and the ability to put it up to your shoulder, as well as the capacity to hold 30 rounds is pretty appealing for an easily stow able truck gun.Malamute wrote:Thanks.
This may be one of the situations where a short barreled rifle may be worth dealing with the paperwork on. An 11.5" barreled gun would take down to about 20", and be very compact for handling in a vehicle or building.
You can use the brace on any pistol based on an AR, AK, vz.58, etc.shooter wrote: That's one of the reasons I've been looking very hard at the Sig AR platform pistols with the 'arm brace' . . .
Where can you get the brace separately...?7.62 Precision wrote:You can use the brace on any pistol based on an AR, AK, vz.58, etc.shooter wrote:That's one of the reasons I've been looking very hard at the Sig AR platform pistols with the 'arm brace' . . .
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/ ... 65542.aspxAJMD429 wrote:Where can you get the brace separately...?7.62 Precision wrote:You can use the brace on any pistol based on an AR, AK, vz.58, etc.shooter wrote:That's one of the reasons I've been looking very hard at the Sig AR platform pistols with the 'arm brace' . . .
I guess a flash mob could start. But the thing I can see happening or shall I say one of the dangers, (and this actually did happen during the Rodney King riots because I remember seeing it on TV) is unknowingly driving into a riot, while traveling through a big city. At the beginnings of festivities many people can be caught unawares while on the road, and possible removed from local or national news. I know I don't listen the the radio, much anymore because the the music is stuff a the commercials and mindless banter of the radio announcers get on my nerves, so I could travel hundreds of miles and come into a big city, just trying to get from point A to point B.Merle wrote:BlaineG wrote:No intended insult to anyone, but a murderous crowd is not likely to instantly materialize, and not likely in other than a large urban area. I'd be moving away from the epicenter at the very first sign of unrest. If I'm followed, the EDC will have to suffice. The Motorcycle, or Jeep really does not have a decent place to conceal a long gun. In the big RV Van, I can keep long guns, but I don't usually drive that into town.
I guess you have never heard of a flash mob?
Lastmohecken wrote:I guess a flash mob could start. But the thing I can see happening or shall I say one of the dangers, (and this actually did happen during the Rodney King riots because I remember seeing it on TV) is unknowingly driving into a riot, while traveling through a big city. At the beginnings of festivities many people can be caught unawares while on the road, and possible removed from local or national news. I know I don't listen the the radio, much anymore because the the music is stuff a the commercials and mindless banter of the radio announcers get on my nerves, so I could travel hundreds of miles and come into a big city, just trying to get from point A to point B.Merle wrote:BlaineG wrote:No intended insult to anyone, but a murderous crowd is not likely to instantly materialize, and not likely in other than a large urban area. I'd be moving away from the epicenter at the very first sign of unrest. If I'm followed, the EDC will have to suffice. The Motorcycle, or Jeep really does not have a decent place to conceal a long gun. In the big RV Van, I can keep long guns, but I don't usually drive that into town.
I guess you have never heard of a flash mob?
I remember getting hung up in traffic in St Louis one time, and there is noting I could do, I was stuck in traffic with no escape; so a flash mob could be on you in nothing flat, it wouldn't even have to be a flash mob, just a plain old riot.
Yep. I have a 14-shot 45 ACP handgun, and just got some 20-round magazines for it, so the next step in 'riot survival' would be the sort-of 'handgun' version of an AR-15...flyfisher66048 wrote:My next firearm purchase will be a 10.5 inch AR-15 pistol. Most of the benefits of a SBR with none of the hassles. I like to think of it as a flash bang grenade that shoots bullets.