You have one firearm to survive what is it?

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:03 pm

madman4570 wrote:
7.62 Precision wrote:

.22 rimfire, .380 , 9mm, .357Mag/.38SP, .40 S & W, .44 Mag, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .410, 20 gauge, 12 gauge, .223, .308.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014 ... r-options/

And it's a lever gun!

Now you don't need to argue about caliber!
Boy do I like that!
Also I see in the Adapt and Survive section with your current good old reliable single presently owned.
Wow! Extremely cool.

Just having one in 12 and .22lr would go well. The insert package is icing on the cake

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:17 pm

rjohns94 wrote:22lr. Rifle, probably a 10/22 takedown, silenced.

+1

Or my Marlin 39A, because is can fire .22 Short, .22 Long and .22 Long Rifle giving me bit more flexibility.

Rifleman · Post by **Rifleman** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:38 am

My WASR-10/63 AK, 7.62x39.

Rifleman · Post by **Rifleman** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:44 am

Grizz wrote:
Mescalero wrote:Look at the pic of High Desert Hunter on the .45-70 thread................................. don't concentrate on him, look at the country..........
What am I going to do with a shotgun there?
did you look at the video I posted on the other thread....? can you really not get within 200 yards of the speed goats? that's with a smooth bore. with a rifled 10ga barrel you can get farther range than that....

but anyway, what is your one gun preference based on that proposition ?

Grizz

Brandon is a good shot and all, but he is shooting at an 18 inch plate and only hitting it 50% of the time. That isn't good enough.
[edit]Oops, I thought he missed the last one. He hit 5 of 8. Still not good enough, not even close.[/edit]

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:19 pm

rifleman,
Thanks, did not know the plate was 18"
and you are right, that is not good enough.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:26 pm

Most of the times these type of threads give allow you to take a few items. My first up is always a fully charged sat-phone. All problems solved.

There are now companies that rent sat-phones for temporary use. Even with the outrageous per minute charges it'd be well worth it to be able to make one call and help would be on its way.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:24 pm

HK300 in .22WMR. I see I'm not the only .22WMR fan here.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:29 pm

Thanks rimfire,
I forgot all about my Remington 597 Magnum.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:59 pm

Mescalero wrote:Thanks rimfire,
I forgot all about my Remington 597 Magnum.

Now you know you should have turned that very dangerous machine in when Remington told you to.

You probably would have received $100 toward some modern Remington plastic wonder-gun along with a hefty supply of Eastern European made .22LR junk ammo. Think how much better off you'd be.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:12 pm

jeepnik wrote:Most of the times these type of threads give allow you to take a few items. My first up is always a fully charged sat-phone. All problems solved.

There are now companies that rent sat-phones for temporary use. Even with the outrageous per minute charges it'd be well worth it to be able to make one call and help would be on its way.

Ha...! You need to read a few of James Wesley Rawles' books - then you'd KNOW that the satellite-phone would only serve to bring on an attack from the bad-guys...

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:22 pm

I thought it was just the .17 HMR.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:37 pm

Mescalero wrote:I thought it was just the .17 HMR.

Oh, you might be right. Maybe it was Ruger that quit making the .22WMR 10/22 due to pressure problems or excessive bolt force or whatever it was. My brain must be merging the two into the same issue. I thought the .22WMR and .17HMR ran at nearly equal pressures though with equal case wall strength. Perhaps the necks are thin on the HMR and prone to split in an semi-auto rifle.

I'm still waiting to see if someone puts that new Winchester rimfire into a decent autoloader.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:36 pm

I think the Remington bolt was made from tungsten to give it more weight by volume, for the WMR.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:39 pm

That Savage is having all sorts of problems, I did not like it anyway.
I have the gun solution in my gunroom.
When the girlfriends daughter moves out next weekend, I get my gunroom back.
I can't find anything, it is buried under a ton of chick stuff.

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:43 pm

Mossberg 715.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:56 pm

don't look like they make that caliber.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:05 pm

S&W should make a run of 648's in .17 Win Super Mag. I think it might be a touch long for the cylinder though. Might require a frame up from N.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:17 pm

Apparently I've had my head in the sand for the last year or so. Volquartsen and Franklin Armory both make .17WSM autoloaders. Not particularly affordable, but there nonetheless.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:22 pm

Well,
you have not been here for a while.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:42 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
jeepnik wrote:Most of the times these type of threads give allow you to take a few items. My first up is always a fully charged sat-phone. All problems solved.

There are now companies that rent sat-phones for temporary use. Even with the outrageous per minute charges it'd be well worth it to be able to make one call and help would be on its way.
Ha...! You need to read a few of James Wesley Rawles' books - then you'd KNOW that the satellite-phone would only serve to bring on an attack from the bad-guys...

I'm not worried about that sort of thing, I'm just an old fanny burp civilian. No one would be interested enough to launch a long range attack.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:18 pm

Anybody know if I am right about the 597 Mag bolt?

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:13 am

Mescalero wrote:rifleman,
Thanks, did not know the plate was 18"
and you are right, that is not good enough.

200 yards offhand with open sights? I'll take it. the kill zone of a horse, bison, large elk, or moose is right around 18". hold on the spine of antelope and dead meat. You can put a rifled 12ga barrel on the thing and close up the groups and extend the range considerably. and a scope. and shooting sticks or a prone rest. not selling anything, but a 200$ gun that has 45/70 terminal ballistics and is cheap and easy to feed is a winner in my book. I haven't noticed 12ga disappearing yet, and turning them into .69 cal hardball muskets at 35c per crack is useful. an ounce of #1 buck is useful. a load of buck and ball is useful. birdshot is useful. I might have just talked myself into adding a rifled slug barrel to my mossy.

g'nite

Grizz

Stan in SC · Post by **Stan in SC** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:46 am

I already own and use "one gun". It is a Baikal MP94 superposed chambered in 12 gauge over .308 Win.
The best of both worlds, shotgun and rifle.

Stan in SC

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:42 am

Grizz wrote:
Mescalero wrote:rifleman,
Thanks, did not know the plate was 18"
and you are right, that is not good enough.
200 yards offhand with open sights? I'll take it. the kill zone of a horse, bison, large elk, or moose is right around 18". hold on the spine of antelope and dead meat. You can put a rifled 12ga barrel on the thing and close up the groups and extend the range considerably. and a scope. and shooting sticks or a prone rest. not selling anything, but a 200$ gun that has 45/70 terminal ballistics and is cheap and easy to feed is a winner in my book. I haven't noticed 12ga disappearing yet, and turning them into .69 cal hardball muskets at 35c per crack is useful. an ounce of #1 buck is useful. a load of buck and ball is useful. birdshot is useful. I might have just talked myself into adding a rifled slug barrel to my mossy.

g'nite

Grizz

Agree!

This right here to at least me tells you all you need to know about the capability of taking game at 200yds with a smoothbore 12ga.
In most cases those shooting 200yds at an animal with anything don't shoot offhand. Least I don't.
If I was shooting somewhere where there was not rest and had to shoot off hand such as in tall grass would be using a shooting stick.
Usually one has a chance to go prone. go sitting or kneeling or use a rest of some type.
Giving that fact with a gun as such below that would work at least for myself.
Also I have found in my case the Ithaca Deerslayers are much more accurate than either of my 870's so that even ups the ante farther.
In fact my 1972 Deerslayer 20" smoothbore deluxe verses my 1972 336C in .35 Rem at 100yds, its about equal in accuracy.

I have a 1963 Ithaca 20ga Deerslayer 20" smoothbore course that one is fitted with a 1963 4X Leupold "real" Gold Ring that will shoot half that sized grouping.
7" groups at 200yds all day long even with my daughter shooting it from a rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3rfYnfp-RM

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:00 am

7.62 Precision wrote:

.22 rimfire, .380 , 9mm, .357Mag/.38SP, .40 S & W, .44 Mag, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .410, 20 gauge, 12 gauge, .223, .308.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014 ... r-options/

And it's a lever gun!

Now you don't need to argue about caliber!

I'm pretty sure that I need one of these...

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:08 am

thanks madman

that's what I'm talking about

Grizz

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:48 am

FWiedner wrote:
7.62 Precision wrote:

.22 rimfire, .380 , 9mm, .357Mag/.38SP, .40 S & W, .44 Mag, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .410, 20 gauge, 12 gauge, .223, .308.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014 ... r-options/

And it's a lever gun!

Now you don't need to argue about caliber!

I'm pretty sure that I need one of these...

+1

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:31 pm

Okay, push comes to shove, I'll take "The Perfect Jeep Gun". Light, easy to carry and enough power to both obtain food and provide reasonable protection.

For size comparison, with the AR-7 it replaced.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:12 pm

hey jeepnik, thanks for weighing in. you know, a mossy will break down smaller 'cause you can unscrew the mag tube. but I have one of each just 'cause two of a good thing is a great thing...

Grizz

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:33 pm

jeepniks is a single action bar.

GoatGuy · Post by **GoatGuy** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:17 pm

10-22, Stainless w/laminate stock. Works for me.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:49 pm

Mescalero wrote:jeepniks is a single action bar.

and a steel receiver. I like mossy alum receivers. great around salt water. and 2 action bars. lots of barrel combos. but I like the sights on the chicom 870 clone the best of all my long guns, my eyes grew into that setup, and my bead + williams on my leverguns is getting harder to read. I thought eyes were supposed to improve over time from practice makes perfect... aaaaargh.

egumpher · Post by **egumpher** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:39 am

I'd choose whatever I could find ammo for. An exotic firearm with a strange caliber would quickly turn into a club. 9mm is very common. I'd choose that.

Rgds
Eric

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:23 am

I think the rely on a common caliber approach is seriously flawed.
We are in no way in a state of real emergency in this country at this time, and except fot the customers at Targetmasters; the rest of us are unable to find the most common caliber of all, .22LR.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:39 am

egumpher wrote:I'd choose whatever I could find ammo for. An exotic firearm with a strange caliber would quickly turn into a club. 9mm is very common. I'd choose that.

Rgds
Eric

The original post implied that you theoretically have 5k rounds put back for whatever gun/caliber you choose -- so would not be a factor

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:24 pm

Streetstar wrote:
egumpher wrote:I'd choose whatever I could find ammo for. An exotic firearm with a strange caliber would quickly turn into a club. 9mm is very common. I'd choose that.

Rgds
Eric

The original post implied that you theoretically have 5k rounds put back for whatever gun/caliber you choose -- so would not be a factor

So theoretically as lobg as l have less then 5000 pieces if brass and or hulls along with reloading tools and components I csn in theory load alll I want over time and never exceed the 5k number !

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:31 am

6pt-sika wrote:
Streetstar wrote:
egumpher wrote:I'd choose whatever I could find ammo for. An exotic firearm with a strange caliber would quickly turn into a club. 9mm is very common. I'd choose that.

Rgds
Eric

The original post implied that you theoretically have 5k rounds put back for whatever gun/caliber you choose -- so would not be a factor
So theoretically as lobg as l have less then 5000 pieces if brass and or hulls along with reloading tools and components I csn in theory load alll I want over time and never exceed the 5k number !

6pt,

The only problem it appears that there were aliens left behind that were disguised as humans called powder sniffers. They can sniff out any unburned powder as little as 100grs in one area within 100 miles.
Unburned powder in already loaded shells or unopened containers it messes up that ability.So far 4500 people have been killed trying to load ammo by them. What is worse those poor 4500 souls after being killed whether male or female were impregnated by the sniffers while dead which in turn slowly came back to life as a sniffer too.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:46 am

madman4570 wrote:
6pt-sika wrote:
Streetstar wrote:
egumpher wrote:I'd choose whatever I could find ammo for. An exotic firearm with a strange caliber would quickly turn into a club. 9mm is very common. I'd choose that.

Rgds
Eric

The original post implied that you theoretically have 5k rounds put back for whatever gun/caliber you choose -- so would not be a factor
So theoretically as lobg as l have less then 5000 pieces if brass and or hulls along with reloading tools and components I csn in theory load alll I want over time and never exceed the 5k number !

6pt,

The only problem it appears that there were aliens left behind that were disguised as humans called powder sniffers. They can sniff out any unburned powder as little as 100grs in one area within 100 miles.
Unburned powder in already loaded shells or unopened containers it messes up that ability.So far 4500 people have been killed trying to load ammo by them. What is worse those poor 4500 souls after being killed whether male or female were impregnated by the sniffers while dead which in turn slowly came back to life as a sniffer too.

My Girondi inspired L&C PCP will fix a sniffer's sinus problem....

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:17 am

madman4570 wrote:
6pt-sika wrote:
Streetstar wrote:
egumpher wrote:I'd choose whatever I could find ammo for. An exotic firearm with a strange caliber would quickly turn into a club. 9mm is very common. I'd choose that.

Rgds
Eric

The original post implied that you theoretically have 5k rounds put back for whatever gun/caliber you choose -- so would not be a factor
So theoretically as lobg as l have less then 5000 pieces if brass and or hulls along with reloading tools and components I csn in theory load alll I want over time and never exceed the 5k number !

6pt,

The only problem it appears that there were aliens left behind that were disguised as humans called powder sniffers. They can sniff out any unburned powder as little as 100grs in one area within 100 miles.
Unburned powder in already loaded shells or unopened containers it messes up that ability.So far 4500 people have been killed trying to load ammo by them. What is worse those poor 4500 souls after being killed whether male or female were impregnated by the sniffers while dead which in turn slowly came back to life as a sniffer too.

Oh ............I didn't see the part about aliens (zombies) . The hole zombie thing kinda irks me personally , but to each his own .

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:03 am

Mescalero wrote:I think the rely on a common caliber approach is seriously flawed.
We are in no way in a state of real emergency in this country at this time, and except fot the customers at Targetmasters; the rest of us are unable to find the most common caliber of all, .22LR.

Yeah, welll... After the first Obummerush back in 2008, I put back about 2500 rds, but you are absolutely correct, I see no major stock at any local retail outlet.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:52 am

6pt,

Not much of zombie guy either. Never have even ever watched " The Walking Dead"
Something tells me though a zombie met by you it would have a lot of bullet holes and left no head,arms,feet.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:08 am

Come on guys, without Zombies and Aliens to worry about we would have less excuses to buy weird firearms and Zombie killing Machetes....

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:31 pm

I never could understand the Zombie thing.................. and thought it rather silly.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:58 pm

Mescalero wrote:I never could understand the Zombie thing.................. and thought it rather silly.

Surely you only have to visit Walmart........to see how close we all are.........

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:17 pm

The WalMart in Alamagordo IS a scary place.

tman · Post by **tman** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:07 pm

game keeper wrote:
Mescalero wrote:I never could understand the Zombie thing.................. and thought it rather silly.
Surely you only have to visit Walmart........to see how close we all are.........

+1

mack · Post by **mack** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:56 pm

12ga. 870 or SPX pump, assorted barrels, a good selection of shot size.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:36 pm

Mescalero wrote:I never could understand the Zombie thing.................. and thought it rather silly.

Silly ain't exactly the word I would use

93marshooter · Post by **93marshooter** » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:08 am

Only one? Hard question for today when we have so many choices. My dad had one rifle. It was his sporterized 03-A3, 30-06. To choose one I go with my Marlin 30-30. Ain't seen any zombies in these parts.

L_Kilkenny · Post by **L_Kilkenny** » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:00 pm

I know that throughout much of the net today that the .22lr and it's brother the .22M are very popular choices for such fantasies. But let's for one second step back in time to when the U.S. did have 1/10th the population, nothing came from anywhere let alone China and people really did use firearms for sustenance and survival.....

Do we really think that for one minute they would consider trading their single shot front-stuffer rifles and shotguns for a single shot .22 rimfire? Let alone a cartridge shotgun or centerfire for a rimfire? Being such, no way am I gonna pick a repeater .22 rimfire instead of a repeater shotgun or centerfire.

Iowa first choice.........12ga. pump. Probably my Win. 1300 with it's 22" WinChoke barrel.
Iowa second choice......... my homebrew Savage 110 in .243.

LK