Kim Du Toit is spot on (again) about War Movies:

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:49 am

I stole this from Simply Rugged's Rob on another forum...

Kim Du Toit is spot on (again) about War Movies:

"...The premise of Stop-Loss is that a kid comes home, is promised that he wonâ€™t have to go back to Iraq, and then is told that circumstances have changed, and he has to go back again anyway. So he has this huge internal struggle of whether or not to become a draft-dodger, all covered with a large dollop of Injustice and another of Itâ€™s All Bushâ€™s Fault. (There, I just saved you $20.) I saw the trailer, and The Mrs. and I turned to each other at the end, and said, in unison, â€

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:53 am

Screw â€˜em: I hope they all go bankrupt."

Me too. In my opinion, based on what I've seen and watched, hollywood and the media in general is our countries worst enemy.

Joe

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:00 am

I agree 100%

Wes · Post by **Wes** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:17 am

Couldn't have said it better myself.

clubkey · Post by **clubkey** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:36 am

I don't know a whole bunch about Holliewoodie, but I do remember volunteering to go to Vietnam back in 68 when so many others were running off to Canada. Of course as usual they, the cowardly were heralded as the real heroes and we as blood thirsty baby killers. More recently my own son did a tour in Iraq and then volunteered for A-stan.

It's really sad when we as Americans pay more attention to the sensationalists in Hollywood than they do to the fact 3,000 men, women, and children died in the towers. I was only a boy back in the 50's, but it seems I remember some Government hearings to get to the bottom of the communist over tones in Hollywood. I am also just old enough to remember Ole Nikita Kruschev pounding his shoe on a podium and telling the American people we are going to take you over from the inside.

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:29 am

JimT wrote:I stole this from Simply Rugged's Rob on another forum...

Kim Du Toit is spot on (again) about War Movies:

As I watched the whiny little arrogant idiot taking **** from his girlfriend about going back, all I could think about was the boys from Easy Company (the Band of Brothers) in the 101 PIR, who went off to war in 1942, and never saw home again till 1946. Howâ€™s that for a rotation?

Yup, That's how long my Dad served in his first deployment except he served in the Pacific Theatre. No complaints from him accept his disappointment when he heard the Japs surrendered, he wasn't through fighting yet.
The world sure has changed.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:22 pm

Good post Jim. I'll never forget what many entertainers, politicians and fellow Americans have done to subvert our success in the Iraq War....I'm talking about after the War to depose Sadam was ON and our men were taking fire on the ground. These folks have given aid and comfort to the enemy at a time when our troops needed help. I'll never forget what's happened personally, and like the Dixie Chicks, I doubt I'll be ready to play nice anytime soon either!

Jeff Quinn · Post by **Jeff Quinn** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:35 pm

I get a bit aggravated when I hear soldiers whining about going to war. Certainly no sane man enjoys going off to war, and I fully appreciate those that go to fight for us. Most do so without any whining at all.

What upsets me is to hear those who have taken years of pay to be in the reserves, then gripe when they have to go earn that pay. What really infuriates me is that everytime we get involved in a war, lots of chick soldiers get knocked up so that they will not have to go. We should not have women in battle units at all.

Our military is all volunteer, and anyone who does not want to serve should not be enlisted, whether in the reserves or the regular services.

My son-in-law has been to Afghanistan once, Iraq twice, and is heading back to Iraq any day now. He is not joyous over leaving his little kids to go off to fight, but he knows that it is his job. That is why we have an Army.

I have always been of the opinion that if you take pay for a job, you should not gripe about having to do it, whether civilian or military.

Those who go and fight for us deserve the best arms and ammunition that we can give them, along with our respect and support.

Those Hollywood pussies who try to portray our soldiers as anything less than honorable fighting men should do a tour along side our best.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:44 pm

You got it Jeff. I just transferred out of a unit where some of the guys motivation was to avoid deployment. Didn't go over well with me. I also get really upset at people asking me what I will do when it's my turn. WTF do you think I'm going to do? My ******* job. It's what you pay me for right? So you and your kids can sleep well at night? So you don't have to spend days or weeks at a time without modern plumbing and eating MRE's? No, no, no need to thank me because it's my pleasure to serve and to wear the uniform.

I get really upset at people whining about not being able to pay their bills when they get activated. Well boo hoo. Uncle Sam didn't force you to live outside your means if you get deployed, thats your fault and I dont feel a bit sorry for you because your greed for college money made you ignore the fact that your uniform says US Army. What do you think we do in the ARMY?

Paratrooper Dave · Post by **Paratrooper Dave** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:35 pm

3/31/08

The post is right on target; good job !!!

I just wish that all of the unpatriotic lefties/socialists from Hollywood would keep moving left and fall off the face of the Earth.

BTW Jim, the Band Of Brothers you mentioned were in the 101st Airborne Division - 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment.

For the record, I was an Infantry Officer with the 101st (501st Parachute Infantry Regiment) in Vietnam 40 years ago (although some days it seems like yesterday).

The 101st, known, as Jim says, as the "Screaming Eagles" was, starting with WWII and on through the decades up to and including the present day is one of our Nation's finest combat units. The 101st has a great and enviable tradition of taking on the big battles and successfully concluding them.

To say the least, I am so proud to be a Screaming Eagle veteran.

You guys at MO have a nice afternoon and evening too.

OOOOOH-AAAAH AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY !!!!

Paratrooper Dave

clubkey · Post by **clubkey** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:48 pm

Sore Shoulder,

Yes, there is a need to thank you and from an old soldier and vet "Thank You!" And I thank God for the courage and commitment of our Patriots serving to protect our freedoms.

Jeff,

Please relay to your son-in-law my deepest gratitude and God's Speed in his courageous service to our country.

I will keep both of you Gentlemen in my prayers.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:02 pm

I wont go into my thoughts on this movie as I wont be able to watch my mouth.

Jeff and Sore Shoulder are spot on.

The Lewis · Post by **The Lewis** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:57 pm

Spot on guys. Here in Vermont we have a veteran against the war. He had joined the Army to pay for college, did a tour in Iraq and now is vocally opposed to the war. He cried that he joined the army to go to college for free and never expected to have to go fight someone! And that the conditions were just miserable there. Poor baby, I guess he wasn't sure just what the armed forces are there for. What motivates people is beyond me.

I would like to hear the news (and hollywood) talk about the heroic acts that are happening in this war and less about the body count.

Warhawk · Post by **Warhawk** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:40 pm

If I might reccomend a book, read LONE SURVIVOR by Marcus Luttrell.

This is one they SHOULD make a movie from, but probably won't.

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:45 pm

JReed wrote:I wont go into my thoughts on this movie as I wont be able to watch my mouth.

.

Me too.

jfwlb · Post by **jfwlb** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:32 pm

Warhawk wrote:If I might reccomend a book, read LONE SURVIVOR by Marcus Luttrell.

This is one they SHOULD make a movie from, but probably won't.

+1 for Lone Survivor! Outstanding book! I was lucky enough to get in on a group buy for autographed copies of this book. Am anxiously awaiting my copy. if anybody wants, once my copy comes in I can mail my un-autographed copy for the price of shipping. it's the hardbound so I don't know how much shipping will be, probably just a couple of bucks.

John

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:28 pm

I'm not sure I understand the bile being vented with regard to this fictional character and his fictional situation, even though I understand that the underlying premise has a basis in reality.

I am in agreement that a soldiers only job is to do his job when, where, and how he is told. That's what soldiers do.

Is the ruckus because this character is apparently being glorified for refusing to deploy?

I always thought that a man standing up for his convictions to combat societal injustice was an attribute of the American character that was valued right there along side that of accepting the responsibility of perfoming duty in the service of one's country?

I haven't seen the movie, so don't get worked up if I missed the point.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:56 pm

FWiedner wrote:I'm not sure I understand the bile being vented with regard to this fictional character and his fictional situation, even though I understand that the underlying premise has a basis in reality.

I am in agreement that a soldiers only job is to do his job when, where, and how he is told. That's what soldiers do.

Is the ruckus because this character is apparently being glorified for refusing to deploy?

I always thought that a man standing up for his convictions to combat societal injustice was an attribute of the American character that was valued right there along side that of accepting the responsibility of perfoming duty in the service of one's country?

I haven't seen the movie, so don't get worked up if I missed the point.

Fred, I figured out why this post sucks, it's # 444.

I think the idea is people gave thier word to show up when asked to and were paid to do so, and now they are crying about it.

Post by **AmBraCol** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:02 pm

jfwlb wrote:+1 for Lone Survivor! Outstanding book! I was lucky enough to get in on a group buy for autographed copies of this book. Am anxiously awaiting my copy. if anybody wants, once my copy comes in I can mail my un-autographed copy for the price of shipping. it's the hardbound so I don't know how much shipping will be, probably just a couple of bucks.
John

Private message should be in your inbox right now.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:58 pm

Jeff Quinn wrote: Those Hollywood pussies who try to portray our soldiers as anything less than honorable fighting men should do a tour along side our best.

Only problem is that this would certainly embolden our enemies. When they see our true warriors, I'm sure they know fear - cold, hard, biting dread. If they were confronted with the hollyweirdos, they'd probably laugh so hard they'd pee those dresses they are so found of wearing. Then they'd attack and never stop...

Meanwhile, the hollywierdos would simply be peeing their pants and crying for momma...

Bearhands · Post by **Bearhands** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:38 pm

Most of the rest of the world knows the USA from our movies...... nuff said

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:18 pm

Bearhands wrote:Most of the rest of the world knows the USA from our movies...... nuff said

Exactly right.

TCB in TN · Post by **TCB in TN** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:12 pm

These days Hollywood makes comedies that are just not funny, and their dramas (especially war movies) are just a joke, but not funny either!

Jeeps · Post by **Jeeps** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:50 pm

There used to be a draft, the looney left said "that's not fair" so we stopped it.

Today there is no draft, the looney left says "that's not fair", get the picture?

I guess there has always been a fringe of our populace that will go against the
grain no matter what it is. Especially if there is a republican sitting in the oval
office. But make no mistake, if it were Al Gore or John Kerry running this war
on terror (I know, I couldn't imagine it either) there would be republicans running
around tearing out their hair screaming about what the dems are doing wrong.

That's our biggest problem, two America's vying for dominance.

What these movies they are making represent is the worst possible "indoctrination"
that could take place in this country. I know all about their freedoms, but
most people can think right. Since day one of civilization we have been
fighting one another over everything you can imagine. It is human nature,
and trust me, it WILL NEVER STOP.

What the looney left doesn't want to consider is that if we lay down our arms
or show weakness of any kind, someone, be it N. Korea, China, any number
of places will be here to take charge when we no longer can.

I would LOVE nothing more than to be wrong about this, however I believe
a weak America is a prize that would be too tempting to ignore.

So while hollyweird and a good part of our learned scholars (not all, but enough)
keep feeding our youth the ideas that honor can and should be placed aside
and that our country is a "bad" place that does horrible things. (keeps me
wondering why everyone wants to move here , eh?)

Once we are "socialized" to the point where we can't keep enough money
flowing to keep our military strong we are done for. A lesson learned from the USSR.

The old Russia may be gone but they were oh so right when they said we
would rot from within from a drive to socialize everything.

centershot · Post by **centershot** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:08 pm

Joe Miller is 100% correct, Hollywood

(and the media in general) are our worst enemies! It brings to mind these words from one of my favorite country songs.......

"Have you forgotten, how it felt that day,
to see your Homeland under fire and her people blown away?
Have you forgotten, when those towers fell,
we had neighbors still inside going through a living Hell!
And now you say "Don't worry about Bin Laden",
Have you forgotten?"

I, for one, have not forgotten. WE ARE AT WAR, PEOPLE!

It is just incredible to me how casually some people dismiss that! Does no one remember Viet Nam? Korea? WW II?

Life in the U. S. is good, so good that a lot of people forget that we are at war on two fronts! Paying money to see a movie like Stop-Loss is akin to aiding & abetting the enemy, IMO! Regardless of how you feel about it we in this thing up to our necks; those that don't have the good common sense to support the president and the military in these rocky times should at least have sense enough to shut the hell up! Those of us who take pride in being Americans are getting tired of listeng to your whiny, liberal bed-wetting chatter!

I know that most, if not all, of the members here probably agree with me, and please rest assured that I am not pointing a finger at anyone here! It just irks me that the oublic at large has such a casual attitude about this, and I guess I just needed to vent a little! OK, I'm off my soap box!

Thanks,

centershot

Rod WMG · Post by **Rod WMG** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:48 pm

Jeff Quinn wrote: "Our military is all volunteer, and anyone who does not want to serve should not be enlisted, whether in the reserves or the regular services. "

Exactly. I know two young people who regret volunteering. One is terrified to go to Afganistan after trying for months to get enlisted. Another was discharged because she simply couldn't take military life.

I'm not saying it isn't tough, but each wanted in badly. People have to be responsible for their actions.

jd45 · Post by **jd45** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:32 pm

Can you say Fifth Column, boys & girls? Mr. Rogers must be spinnin in his grave right about now! jd45

Hankster · Post by **Hankster** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:05 pm

Back in the late 50's...Nikita Kruschev, the then "Vladimir Putin" of the Commie USSR...stated "We will destroy you from within".... today.....looking at what Hollywierd and Commiefornia are giving /doing to us......connect the dots! The man was RIGHT!!
They won't need to "invade" us to take us down.....thier "agents" are here doing it for them right now!! Whether they know it or not.......

Kismet · Post by **Kismet** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:31 pm

centershot wrote:Regardless of how you feel about it we in this thing up to our necks; those that don't have the good common sense to support the president and the military in these rocky times should at least have sense enough to shut the hell up! Those of us who take pride in being Americans are getting tired of listeng to your whiny, liberal bed-wetting chatter!

As is clearly evident, many people in this country strongly disagree with you on these points.

Perhaps the greatest harm GWB ever did was to equate dissent with being unpatriotic - and convince many of you to go along with that stuff. Just how long should the people blindly follow the president? If he decides to invade Iran, should we all just jump on the bandwagon? Personally I was all for going into Afghanistan (though we should have just admitted we were occupying them and finished that job), but Iraq is a different story. Who knows, I might have even been on board (or at least kept my mouth shut) for Iraq if there was ever a plan. But it is abundantly clear that there wasn't. Rocky times are the last times that anyone should shut the hell up. How all you supposed conservatives can suggest lining up behind a president that has expanded government and curtailed more personal freedoms than virtually any president before is beyond me.

And one more point...SUPPORTING (OR NOT) THE PRESIDENT IS DIFFERENT THAN SUPPORTING THE TROOPS. Sorry, but they are totally independent. I absolutely support giving the troops what they need to be safe and do their job. I do not agree with the job the President set (and continues to set) for them.

Michael in NH

Paratrooper Dave · Post by **Paratrooper Dave** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:47 pm

Michael From New Hampshire,

You are totally missing the point and, more likely than not, you are significantly confused. At war, the troops and the Commander In Chief are united as elements of the Chain Of Command.

So, I wonder about genuineness of your "support of the troops".

My thinking, and reading what you have said so far, is that the only troop you would support would be that idiot former (thank the Lord) Marine - Murtha, the Congressman (I question "man" here) from PA and his two lackies, Pelosi and Reid.

Good luck fella, I defended you once before and, as an American soldier,
I'd do it again because it would be my sworn duty to do so.

Paratrooer Dave

Jeeps · Post by **Jeeps** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:32 pm

I don't agree with everything Bush has done. Furthering the Northamericanunion
and signing legislation that would allow another countries troops on our own
soil. (I respect our Canadian neighbors but their troops do not belong on our
side of the border and ours DO NOT belong on their side either, especially for
the reasons of said legislation. To control a populace.)

But one thing he is part of the armed forces of the USA even if he isn't on the
front lines. Even if he isn't making the "best" decisions. Our history as well as
all the other countries of the world is full of military commanders making
mistakes and having to live with them and forge on. We will always use 20/20
hindsight to darn people for making decisions they thought were right.

Most countries on earth KNEW sadam had WMD's. Including most of the Dems.When none were found
guess what, yeah that's right, GWB is a liar. Partisan BULLCRAP.

REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT. If you don't like it then
get someone to pass legislation to change the POTUS's military job.

Although I really don't care for the "support the troops" saying mostly because
I see people using it that I believe would have stood in an airport and spit
on them if they thought they could get away with it. Lying is just too easy
today and I see that slogan rolling off lips for the express reason that someone
is about to degrade the country and are using it for an edge.

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