Losing IQ points by the minute...

[Streetstar]

Well, ---------- some of this banter has turned quite lively

I'm hesitant to comment on it, but for one thing -- the root cause of the thread was wrestling, --- so i'll add my .02 cents once more

I didnt wrestle, but i live in Oklahoma and graduated from Oklahoma State --- there are other hotbeds of wrestling out there for sure, - but its so big in this state and at my alma mater, we have the national Wrestling Hall of Fame right on campus
-- so even if you didnt wrestle,you knew someone who did and have probably attended a few meets. Football is king here (most places ) , but curiously enough wrestling is not far behind, at least at OSU, -------- so my remarks in support of wrestling can be interpreted as regional , or cultural

--- regarding groping, - go take a judo class - that is something i know a bit more about, as i studied Aikido and Judo at different time periods -- equivalent groping, just in a different manner. Its also an Olympic sport that kids of all ages participate in

This thread inspired me to talk to my brother about how his old wrestling buddies are doing ---- kind of like Army buddies, they tend to keep track of each other a little bit after the singlets are hung up
Interesting phenomenon -- with all that "groping , hunching over and fondling" - i would've thought you'd have the makings of a pretty big (and physically fit) gay pride parade (kidding )
But in all honesty -- , it sounds like there are winners, losers, community leaders and drunks amongst his wrestling brethren , plus plenty of normal dudes just raising a family and going through the motions. If any went gay as a result of the wrestling experience, then they at least have the common courtesy to be keeping it in the closet so far, but with any group, they say that 2-3% may go down that road

I was always impressed with the overall fitness it took to succeed in that sport --- you'd have 130 pound kids bench pressing 250 pounds, and running sub 16 minute 5k's and doing weighted pull ups till they got bored.
You just can't fake fitness like that and i have a ton of respect for the work ethic it takes to get there

As far as wrestling appearing to be over or overtly sexual in appearance -- i would recommend anyone thinking that to look inward and realize that there is not a boner fueld by viagra hiding behind every tree waiting to run out and grab you

But like i mentioned to start my take on this discussion --- i realize that wrestling can be a regional thing too as far as universal support-- so i can almost understand folks not "getting it" as a sport , if they are from areas that it is not as widespread or universally accepted


I'll close it out with 2 pictures ---- What's this? 2 lecherous old pervs about to make out on the beach?





No --- actually its another Army buddy of mine(in the blue hoodie) sparring with his 15 year old kid while enjoying a day at the beach. HE's a very good state level wrestler now -- 'ol dad is like me, he appreciates, but never formally took wrestling, but has participated in plenty of military hand to hand courses i assume (he went the SF route and is based out of Ft Bragg )

I look at that pic and i see a great dad and a well adjusted young man who i hope continues to make good decisions. In addition to wrestling, they are restoring a 70's era Land Cruiser together for the boy's first vehicle --- teaching life lessons along the way , like needing to put a little "sweat equity" into your first ride, instead of just expecting to inherit mom's 4 year old Accord when she gets a new ride

[octagon]

MM: Your communications on this site have been described by many (for some time) as "rambling incoherent blather," LONG before the recent acquisition of of your new phone. To blame the incoherent and rambling nature of your posts on the phone seems a stretch at best. The amount of the apparent BS you so unskillfully spew around here is growing daily...For example:

Where you now seem to remember quite clearly the incident where you offered violence to an older member without the use of your hands, you ALSO recently stated that you "Just don't recall.". .

It must be noted that the gentleman you offered violence to is a veritable expert on rifles, S/S shotguns and collecting same - he might forget more about these items during a nap than many of us know. Come on... You remember his name, right?

We both know the possible damage a large, weightlifting blackbelt could inflict on an older fella with only his feet, right? I wonder what was your plan had the fella accepted your offer to "spar" after your trip to Virginia? Maybe a quick visit to the ER for a few stitches, a longer trip to the ICU? Come on MM, you remember the thread clearly now, tell me what level of damage could the fella have expected?

[madman4570]

octagon,

JMHO

The trash you talk is beyond words. Is that why you chose that name cause it looks like you have 8 different sides to you.
Dude that's scary.Talk about me?
This is normal for you and you just cannot accept things. I don't know if you were picked on a lot or have some other type issues?
Look at this post, how you constantly just keep trying to stoke me up.
It won't work. Listen go get some weights get in shape feel better about yourself and then you can possibly like yourself??
Now, I think after reading your posts and your communication skills I actually feel pretty good.
Do you live by yourself?
Seems like you have bounced around a lot in jobs fixing fences, helping with a barn? Mowing the grass?
Talk about rambling, dude you have me beat 20 ways to Sunday.
Members are not stupid, let them read all the posts on this topic and others you have went on and on and on!
You think what you say matters but the more you spread your BS the more you look like a little bothered punk that just cannot handle basically anything?
Better just wise up and shut the pie hole cause the more you put pelosi on here the more you look like the yahoo you probably are that cannot live and deal in the normal world.
That huge attack violent aggressive deal you say, would you please bring it up??
It was with 6pt If not I can?
I like 6pt, look sometimes on here people do argue etc. But you are out of control now. get some help.
Put down the shovel and get some cause you are obsessive on this trash spew you are throwing.
Really get some help!
Talk about low self esteems.

Sorry guys,
I was going to let this go but after his last two or three break down rants-----think the dude has blown a fuse?
Hey 8 sider ---how much can you bench? I am thinking ?? yep, not much and not much of anything.

Think the man can shut up or will he respond???
But he has to respond cause again good old octagon has 8 sides.
Should I hit the ignore button ???
na, the fool is too entertaining!

OI and others,
Apologize for clogging up your post. was going to just let things go. Read his last how many ???
But the fool has been alone too long!
Someone find him a job or whatever? He doesn't have to go away mad, just go away!
I do have a barn he could paint?? But if it is like all his rants, ain't got that much time or money.
JMHO

Bet I can beat him in arm wrestling too!

[FWiedner]

Summary:

*yawn*

[jnyork]

Not much respect here for the intelligence or the credibility of a guy who keeps referring to grown men as "dude".

[7.62 Precision]

Seems like you have bounced around a lot in jobs fixing fences, helping with a barn? Mowing the grass?

Uhhh . . . it was me that mentioned building fences and repairing a barn. And you're right, I cut grass for a guy once who was much like you - thought he was God's gift to the world. Only I trusted him on his word and a handshake and never got payed, and he took my truck.

If building fences makes you look down on me, I don't really care. I worked for McDonalds for 2 weeks once, too, when I was out of work and food in college. And I assembled IBM Keyboards for minimum wage, worked in a dining hall, and rode horses up and down the sides of a mountain moving cattle in exchange for meals once.

What is it you do that entitles you to despise others for the jobs they have done?

Jobs a man happened to do in his life do not limit his worth. When work was scarce, my dad hand-lined halibut out of a 16' skiff in Southeast Alaska. That is about the toughest work you can do. One summer this nice, down-to-earth guy showed up in town and fished with him for shares. They fished the openings, split the money, and the guy took off. Turns out he owned the cold storage that purchased the fish from all of the boats in that town and in many others. The guy was a multimillionaire.

You know, the only guys who I ever knew who looked down on others for being picked on, and feel that being picked on makes someone worthless, were the bullies. Never did like a bully, because deep down they are all insecure wimps.

Some guys get picked on in school. Then they grow up and realize that it doesn't really matter in real life. Other guys are bullies and never get over the power they felt picking on others, so they live in the past, thinking their size and how much they can bench makes a difference in the real world.

I don't care how much you can bench, and neither does anyone else here. It is unimportant.

If you want to impress me, come out on a job with me. My knees are messed up and I have pieces of vertebrae floating around in my neck from getting hit with a buttstock. If you are able to press ever so much, it will make no difference. If you are 4 times as strong as I am, I will still smoke you changing steels. Even if you can press 10 times what I can, I can promise you that you will not keep up with me packing powder up the side of a mountain in a 20-hour shift. Why? Because it is not what you do. And at the end of the day, it matters not at all because your lack of skill at what I do makes absolutely no difference in your life, or in mine (unless you were working for me - then I would expect you to catch on.) What you enjoy doing or do well may or may not be something someone else enjoys, but who cares? So if you can't change steels like I can, or have the endurance to pack powder like I have, I don't care. It makes me no better than you. What does make others better than you is their ability to figure this out.

[madman4570]

Not much respect here for the intelligence or the credibility of a guy who keeps referring to grown men as "dude".

It's a combination regional, weightlifting at the gym thing, for those hanging with that crowd. Unless I suppose your some older "dude"coming in on a day pass by your lonesome using the 10lb dumbbells.
The dude, Just like you dudes use "howdy pardner"

Take care Bro!

[madman4570]

Seems like you have bounced around a lot in jobs fixing fences, helping with a barn? Mowing the grass?

Uhhh . . . it was me that mentioned building fences and repairing a barn. And you're right, I cut grass for a guy once who was much like you - thought he was God's gift to the world. Only I trusted him on his word and a handshake and never got payed, and he took my truck.

If building fences makes you look down on me, I don't really care. I worked for McDonalds for 2 weeks once, too, when I was out of work and food in college. And I assembled IBM Keyboards for minimum wage, worked in a dining hall, and rode horses up and down the sides of a mountain moving cattle in exchange for meals once.

What is it you do that entitles you to despise others for the jobs they have done?

Jobs a man happened to do in his life do not limit his worth. When work was scarce, my dad hand-lined halibut out of a 16' skiff in Southeast Alaska. That is about the toughest work you can do. One summer this nice, down-to-earth guy showed up in town and fished with him for shares. They fished the openings, split the money, and the guy took off. Turns out he owned the cold storage that purchased the fish from all of the boats in that town and in many others. The guy was a multimillionaire.

You know, the only guys who I ever knew who looked down on others for being picked on, and feel that being picked on makes someone worthless, were the bullies. Never did like a bully, because deep down they are all insecure wimps.

Some guys get picked on in school. Then they grow up and realize that it doesn't really matter in real life. Other guys are bullies and never get over the power they felt picking on others, so they live in the past, thinking their size and how much they can bench makes a difference in the real world.

I don't care how much you can bench, and neither does anyone else here. It is unimportant.

If you want to impress me, come out on a job with me. My knees are messed up and I have pieces of vertebrae floating around in my neck from getting hit with a buttstock. If you are able to press ever so much, it will make no difference. If you are 4 times as strong as I am, I will still smoke you changing steels. Even if you can press 10 times what I can, I can promise you that you will not keep up with me packing powder up the side of a mountain in a 20-hour shift. Why? Because it is not what you do. And at the end of the day, it matters not at all because your lack of skill at what I do makes absolutely no difference in your life, or in mine (unless you were working for me - then I would expect you to catch on.) What you enjoy doing or do well may or may not be something someone else enjoys, but who cares? So if you can't change steels like I can, or have the endurance to pack powder like I have, I don't care. It makes me no better than you. What does make others better than you is their ability to figure this out.

Who is the BA now!
If you are so brilliantly educated like the other dude I would assume you could just go into the workforce and get a job you don't have to mow grass,change steel,pack powder??
Excuses, everyone has one. get educated properly and get a good job to conform with your needs . Something tells me ain't happening though??

[octagon]

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Unstable temperament
Increased irritability
Delusional states
Confusion
Rage
Violent tendencies
Immured Judgement[color=#FFBF00][/color]
Feelings of ABSOLUTE INVINCIBILTY
Remind y'all of anyone? Remember, I said nothing about wrestlers being Light on their feet LARRY,
It was YOU who said all visitors Had to enter through the basement...Rage on -----------------Larry

[7.62 Precision]

MM45-70, clearly you missed the point, though I'm not surprised. The point was that I was trying to make was clear - what I do is not the same as what you do and I don't judge your worth by what I am good at. You should not judge the worth of others based only on your interests.

If you did what I do, you could soon be as good at it as anyone. If what you do is what I wanted to do (whatever it is) I would put the work into being good at it, but don't look down on people because they have different interest, jobs, or skills.

Again, you are insulting people without knowing anything about them.

[madman4570]

And now folks here on MEGALOMANIA, let's take a short break to hear from our sponsors, the good folks at LARROIDS, because at LARROIDS our motto is Bigger IS Better! Friends are you unsatisfied with a 48 " chest and 24" biceps? Tired of getting snow kicked in your face at the beach? Would you like to bench 225 for 5 sets of 15 reps? Well NOW you can!!!Thanks to the good folks at LARROIDS you ccan do all this and more! But wait, you haven't heard of these additional benefits:LARRIODS are known to increase your shooting prowess to u heard of heights, why you'll be killing deer in no time with only THREE SHOTS!! That's right THREE SHOTS!!!

And, if you act now, we'll send at no cost a lifetime supply of VISIONS of GRANDEUR!!and our free booklet: "Three Easy Steps To Self Worship," written by LARRY Himself!
AND if that wasn't enough we'll send you this huge Pamphlet just bursting with known side effects associated with prolonged use of LARROIDS that the whole Leverguns Family can enjoy!!!

WARNING: This part is for real guys,
Wild mood swings
Unstable temperament
Increased irritability
Delusional states
Confusion
Rage
Violent tendencies
Immured Judgement
Feelings of ABSOLUTE INVINCIBILTY
Remind y'all of anyone? Remember, I said nothing about wrestlers being Light on their feet LARRY,
It was YOU who said all visitors Had to enter through the basement...Rage on -----------------Larry

Usually people that are so obsessive compulsive about someone that stays in shape works out and is proud of it are usually the type from what I have seen which are :
People that have had too much head in the toilet time in gym class in school
Wanted to be athletic but just didn't have the stones to ante up.
Afraid after sports they might have to take a shower and everybody would laugh at them
Just afraid of everything
Wanted to run home to watch a soap, eat chips, drink soda
Flunked grades to couldn't play sports
Wasn't a team player and got tossed

Let's not even get into the our Professional careers cause if so I am deeply afraid in your state that might just do you in ??????

[Old Ironsights]

Couple of comments...

#1: I'm sorry this turned into a hose-dragging contest. Roll 'em up gents. That was not the intent here.

#2: I was only pointing out my observations of a very visual and socially annoying gathering of obnoxious grownups.

#3: a couple of comments on Doug's post and I'm done with this thread:

...I didnt wrestle, but i live in Oklahoma and graduated from Oklahoma State --- there are other hotbeds of wrestling out there for sure, - but its so big in this state and at my alma mater, we have the national Wrestling Hall of Fame right on campus
-- so even if you didnt wrestle,you knew someone who did and have probably attended a few meets. Football is king here (most places ) , but curiously enough wrestling is not far behind, at least at OSU, -------- so my remarks in support of wrestling can be interpreted as regional , or cultural

That is the part I do not understand. In almost any other respect, in any other public venue, what people call "wrestling" suddenly becomes Pornographic. Yes, context is everything, but, like I said, the FACT that the HS wrestling Boys thought their standard wrestling moves were "sexual" when applied to a Girl demonstrates a significant amount of institutional cognitive dissonance within wrestling.

--- regarding groping, - go take a judo class - that is something i know a bit more about, as i studied Aikido and Judo at different time periods -- equivalent groping, just in a different manner. Its also an Olympic sport that kids of all ages participate in

As an Aikidoka (ShinShin Toitsu) I cannot find a single form in either Aikido (or Judo, or JuJitsu, or PPCT, or Krav, or MMA or about anything) that correlates to the butt - to groin grinding that occurs in Greek wrestling. You can't even DO Judo in Spandex. So the idea that the "groping" is equivalent is simply not factual.

This thread inspired me to talk to my brother about how his old wrestling buddies are doing ---- kind of like Army buddies, they tend to keep track of each other a little bit after the singlets are hung up
Interesting phenomenon -- with all that "groping , hunching over and fondling" - i would've thought you'd have the makings of a pretty big (and physically fit) gay pride parade (kidding )
But in all honesty -- , it sounds like there are winners, losers, community leaders and drunks amongst his wrestling brethren , plus plenty of normal dudes just raising a family and going through the motions. If any went gay as a result of the wrestling experience, then they at least have the common courtesy to be keeping it in the closet so far, but with any group, they say that 2-3% may go down that road

I was always impressed with the overall fitness it took to succeed in that sport --- you'd have 130 pound kids bench pressing 250 pounds, and running sub 16 minute 5k's and doing weighted pull ups till they got bored.
You just can't fake fitness like that and i have a ton of respect for the work ethic it takes to get there

All true and as I have said, I take no issue with the participants, only the probity of the "sport".

As far as wrestling appearing to be over or overtly sexual in appearance -- i would recommend anyone thinking that to look inward and realize that there is not a boner fueld by viagra hiding behind every tree waiting to run out and grab you

Wait until you have to do a post-match/post loss mat-side physical checkup of a 15 y/o whose Spandex is pointing in altogether the wrong direction...

But like i mentioned to start my take on this discussion --- i realize that wrestling can be a regional thing too as far as universal support-- so i can almost understand folks not "getting it" as a sport , if they are from areas that it is not as widespread or universally accepted

I'll close it out with 2 pictures ---- What's this? 2 lecherous old pervs about to make out on the beach?

No --- actually its another Army buddy of mine(in the blue hoodie) sparring with his 15 year old kid while enjoying a day at the beach. HE's a very good state level wrestler now -- 'ol dad is like me, he appreciates, but never formally took wrestling, but has participated in plenty of military hand to hand courses i assume (he went the SF route and is based out of Ft Bragg )

I look at that pic and i see a great dad and a well adjusted young man who i hope continues to make good decisions. In addition to wrestling, they are restoring a 70's era Land Cruiser together for the boy's first vehicle --- teaching life lessons along the way , like needing to put a little "sweat equity" into your first ride, instead of just expecting to inherit mom's 4 year old Accord when she gets a new ride

Again, context, context, context... and attire.

If they had been wearing nothing but Swimsuits, the pictures would produce an altogether different image... one that would worry Child Protective Services no matter how benign.

Like I said, I'll stick to Contact Sports where Clothing is not Optional and Contact does not include kama-sutra positions.

[Blaine]

OI and others are taking it easy on you, MMan.......quickly bow out while you still have a smidgen of gravitas.....

[plowboy 45]

OI and others are taking it easy on you, MMan.......quickly bow out while you still have a smidgen of gravitas.....

+1

[Streetstar]

That is the part I do not understand. In almost any other respect, in any other public venue, what people call "wrestling" suddenly becomes Pornographic. Yes, context is everything, but, like I said, the FACT that the HS wrestling Boys thought their standard wrestling moves were "sexual" when applied to a Girl demonstrates a significant amount of institutional cognitive dissonance within wrestling.



As an Aikidoka (ShinShin Toitsu) I cannot find a single form in either Aikido (or Judo, or JuJitsu, or PPCT, or Krav, or MMA or about anything) that correlates to the butt - to groin grinding that occurs in Greek wrestling. You can't even DO Judo in Spandex. So the idea that the "groping" is equivalent is simply not factual.


Like I said, I'll stick to Contact Sports where Clothing is not Optional and Contact does not include kama-sutra positions.

There are a lot of instances where introducing a female to a male sport will disrupt the apple cart. If i were pitching against a girl who was crowding the plate, i likely wouldnt bean her, or give her some chin music either.
If a girl is silly enough to con her way into a football uniform , she's not going to get hit as hard as a young man either



So --- you've never performed a front or back mount, or assumed a guard position ? I find that hard to believe , even in a pure Aikido dojo. These positions are pretty darn -- intimate i guess- too
--- And yes , you can do judo in spandex, you can do it in a t shirt , you can do it without a shirt --- conceding the handholds to your opponent that a thick gi affords in sport judo is fine, but in the real world i'd rather be prepared to go to work no matter what i'm wearing and you need to train for the inevitability that someday you wont be wearing your officially sanctioned judo gi , complete with patches from all the meets you've been to.



Its obvious wrestling is not your cup of tea, and i wont try to make a fan out of you, but i would have thought a martial artist would be a bit more in tune with his body to the point that the positions wouldnt cause you any discomfort to watch

[7.62 Precision]

OK, madman, let's get this over with.

Since you are the expert on the details of lives of others, with a heavy emphasis on high school, I have some questions for you:

1. What do OI, TedH, Octagon, and others you have insulted, do for a living? For that matter, what do I do (that shouldn't be hard)?

2. Post how much each of them can bench, weight and reps.

3. Post what you know about their high school careers, which you seem to think is the most important part of life. Sports, academics, social positions, since you have called all of these things into question.

4. Post exactly what is wrong with their shooting techniques. You have suggested that several shoot poorly.

5. Post exactly what you know of their education. You have suggested that some people here are poorly educated.

Now look at the following; I can play your game too, except that this is what your posts actually do make you look like:

You were a petty, chicken-hearted bully in high school who thought life was about sports and who you could beat up. You have spent your life re-living your high school glory and base all of your estimation of others on whether you think you can beat them up or not, or at least whether or not you think you can outlift them. You think that what you were in high school makes you something in life. You think what others were in high school limits them in life. You think that if someone was bullied, it makes them worthless for the rest of their lives. You think that if you are stronger than someone else in a certain way, you are better than him. You are so egotistical that you cannot ever recognize what others think of you. You certainly cannot recognize how petty, annoying, egotistical, abrasive, incoherent, and illogical you are. You think that whatever you do for work (I have no idea) it gives you the right to look down on others for what they have done in the past, and what they do now, though I highly doubt you know what some of these guys do. You have no writing skills and no reading comprehension skills, and you come across as being not too smart, yet you question the intelligence, education, and literary skills of others if they dare disagree with you. You make contradictory statements and then expect us to believe everything you say. You insult the knowledge and skill of some people that any rational person would respect for exactly those traits you insult. You are so egotistical that you had to post your photo over and over and over in the photo thread.

There. Is this you? I have no idea - it is who you seem to be, but I don't know you. You might be the opposite.You might be the nicest guy in the world and just can't get it across though the written language. Maybe one of your doctorates is in literature and you write poetry in your free time. maybe you are working for a university developing the cure for cancer. Maybe you spent your high school days wishing you could play sports but spending your time saving scrawny little guys from getting swirlies instead. You see, I wrote the above without knowing anything about you, except your personality and posts on this forum.

Was I right or wrong? I don't know. That is why I normally would never post such a thing. But you post things like this all of the time about people I have come to respect, people whom I have learned from and whose advice I would value.

I don't know who you are, and I don't really care. I do care when I see you treating people the way you do on this forum. This is not the place for it. Whoever you are in real life, on this forum you are a rude, uncouth, incoherent, spectacularly egotistical bully. You can say what you want to me, and I don't care; I've had worse. But when you treat others the way you do, it makes me angry. There is no reason for it. Most of these guys are genuinely nice people, who are capable of intelligent conversation.

Oh, and the photos of yourself that you posted so many times? My wife was NOT impressed.

Answer the questions above, with details, if you know the answers. If not, shut up and take it to a different forum.

[Streetstar]

We could have a thread in the spirit of Dan PAtrick's radio show -- where the caller calls in and gives their weight , except give our bench press single rep max number

It goes
Dan
"Caller 2 is on the line, who do we have here"
caller 2
"Hi Dan, its Dave from Michigan -- 6'1 , 248 pounds"

at which point Dan rings a bell , and if you really ding the scale, he'll make an amusing observation about how beefy you are


I'll start ---

Hi Dan, its Doug from Oklahoma --135 pounds (its a bit more than that , but i'm trying to lighten the mood - so to speak)

[7.62 Precision]

On the sport of wrestling, I wrestled when I was in school. I am not so big on it now. Even then, I felt the uniforms were on the inappropriate side. I agree with the double-standard argument. If I walked into a HS classroom in a wrestling uniform, I would be told to change or get out. Why is it OK on a mat and not appropriate off the mat? I would argue that it is not appropriate anywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Lx2ihpGbc

Also, while a lot of guys seem to wrestle and go on with life just fine, it seems that a lot can't outlive their wrestling glory and have to try to live it again through their children, more than most other sports. (A lot of the football players tend toward this as well.)

I think there are better sports. If you want an individual improvement-type sport, there are martial arts (that are true martial arts) that are much more relevant to life. And they don't require the participants to be next to unclothed. That is just my opinion, and I won't tell anyone else what they should do. I do think that the world today is not what it was just 20 years ago - something to think about.

[madman4570]

OK, madman, let's get this over with.

Since you are the expert on the details of lives of others, with a heavy emphasis on high school, I have some questions for you:

1. What do OI, TedH, Octagon, and others you have insulted, do for a living? For that matter, what do I do (that shouldn't be hard)?

2. Post how much each of them can bench, weight and reps.

3. Post what you know about their high school careers, which you seem to think is the most important part of life. Sports, academics, social positions, since you have called all of these things into question.

4. Post exactly what is wrong with their shooting techniques. You have suggested that several shoot poorly.

5. Post exactly what you know of their education. You have suggested that some people here are poorly educated.

Now look at the following; I can play your game too, except that this is what your posts actually do make you look like:

You were a petty, chicken-hearted bully in high school who thought life was about sports and who you could beat up. You have spent your life re-living your high school glory and base all of your estimation of others on whether you think you can beat them up or not, or at least whether or not you think you can outlift them. You think that what you were in high school makes you something in life. You think what others were in high school limits them in life. You think that if someone was bullied, it makes them worthless for the rest of their lives. You think that if you are stronger than someone else in a certain way, you are better than him. You are so egotistical that you cannot ever recognize what others think of you. You certainly cannot recognize how petty, annoying, egotistical, abrasive, incoherent, and illogical you are. You think that whatever you do for work (I have no idea) it gives you the right to look down on others for what they have done in the past, and what they do now, though I highly doubt you know what some of these guys do. You have no writing skills and no reading comprehension skills, and you come across as being not too smart, yet you question the intelligence, education, and literary skills of others if they dare disagree with you. You make contradictory statements and then expect us to believe everything you say. You insult the knowledge and skill of some people that any rational person would respect for exactly those traits you insult. You are so egotistical that you had to post your photo over and over and over in the photo thread.

There. Is this you? I have no idea - it is who you seem to be, but I don't know you. You might be the opposite.You might be the nicest guy in the world and just can't get it across though the written language. Maybe one of your doctorates is in literature and you write poetry in your free time. maybe you are working for a university developing the cure for cancer. Maybe you spent your high school days wishing you could play sports but spending your time saving scrawny little guys from getting swirlies instead. You see, I wrote the above without knowing anything about you, except your personality and posts on this forum.

Was I right or wrong? I don't know. That is why I normally would never post such a thing. But you post things like this all of the time about people I have come to respect, people whom I have learned from and whose advice I would value.

I don't know who you are, and I don't really care. I do care when I see you treating people the way you do on this forum. This is not the place for it. Whoever you are in real life, on this forum you are a rude, uncouth, incoherent, spectacularly egotistical bully. You can say what you want to me, and I don't care; I've had worse. But when you treat others the way you do, it makes me angry. There is no reason for it. Most of these guys are genuinely nice people, who are capable of intelligent conversation.

Oh, and the photos of yourself that you posted so many times? My wife was NOT impressed.

Answer the questions above, with details, if you know the answers. If not, shut up and take it to a different forum.

First off you don,t tell me squat.
Secondly, being so ignorant to say what you did about the skins you never wrestled or maybe did it in a special class.
You do not even know why they are designed the way they are.
Son, you are really something.
That pic thing, where you be? Now don,t pick your neighbor for it.
Coach, I think my skin is too tight, cause my brain is numb. Look though watch me play
Hop toad Hop.

[7.62 Precision]

I thought so.

You can't answer, only insult.

I'm not your son, thank God for that.

[7.62 Precision]

By the way, if you want to insult me, that is fine. Leave the others out of it.

[madman4570]

Got that little chest of yours all pumped out feeling all BA and as you say "mad"

Look, lets look at the facts here. Except for the hot air you constant outgas really haven't seen any hands on aid to any fellow members.
I have put up or shut up in that dept. Not just words.
O.I. knows he only has to ask myself in a pm and I am in sending him money, finding him a job, or what the he## ever else needs doing. How bout you son?

Seem to be one of these dudes "yep,feel sorry for ya but ???? next???? I like you though

The rising up chest pumping out pretending that the fellows on here need your rescue to make you think you are anything, they got it for what it really is.

Just another poser butting his foolish little self in to look like a man.

The wrestling???

Got it in my gut son "you ain't no wrestler"
Why does he say that????

First off any wrestler I know of that does not find offense to any insinuation of being gay, butt humping, etc. and not express the integrity of the sport ain't no wrestler.
Well how else would I know???
ANY wrestler I have ever known knows as you call them (uniforms) the actual wrestlers themselves call them singlets or actually these parts "skins"

You do know that the reason(s) to wear them is many right???

Though in that special wrestling class you had (maybe intermural at best) wearing anything was fine?
But in the real world there are numerous reasons to wear SINGLETS.
Try wearing your loose clothing and during a take down have an arm or leg get caught in clothing wrecking a tendon.

Think maybe you had to go to Alaska is you couldn't cope with anyone that did something you didn't or couldn't???

Better start lifting some weights cause only packing of stuff I see coming from you isn't powder.
At least get some real weights and a bench and who knows in a year or two you might bench 200lbs (ONCE)
Then again??

Let's see ???
If you can't do 225lbs once, and I can do it just 20reps then that makes me 20 times stronger than you ??
No, wait IF YOU COULD do it once then actually it would be more like 40 times stronger because with each rep fatigue factor has to be taken into account.Meaning on rep number 19 how much has the muscles weakened but still can do it.
Not doing it---------------------------------------------yep, not only telling you can't come in the basement, but you ain't getting through the gate 300ft down driveway. Just pure pitiful!

[Old Ironsights]

OK, this is a much better thread drift Doug... maybe we can shift the othes away from the keyboard rankout?

There are a lot of instances where introducing a female to a male sport will disrupt the apple cart. If i were pitching against a girl who was crowding the plate, i likely wouldnt bean her, or give her some chin music either.
If a girl is silly enough to con her way into a football uniform , she's not going to get hit as hard as a young man either

Both true, but both irrelevent since the other players are not going to say that the contact is too "sexual". Oh, and FWIW, my first sensei was a 130lb Female... (Army Capitan) who could throw me & my 240lb EOD buddy around the dojo as easily, and with as much intimate contact, as swinging a cat.

So --- you've never performed a front or back mount, or assumed a guard position ? I find that hard to believe , even in a pure Aikido dojo. These positions are pretty darn -- intimate i guess- too

Compared to the kind of doggy-style that is de riguer for Greek? C'mon... not even close.

--- And yes , you can do judo in spandex, you can do it in a t shirt , you can do it without a shirt --- conceding the handholds to your opponent that a thick gi affords in sport judo is fine, but in the real world i'd rather be prepared to go to work no matter what i'm wearing and you need to train for the inevitability that someday you wont be wearing your officially sanctioned judo gi , complete with patches from all the meets you've been to.

In the real world I'm going to avoid as much extended physical contact as possible and use throws, joint locks, nerve strikes, and, if it gets on the ground, MMA techniques to get me back on my feet, not keep me rolling aound and rump riding.

Its obvious wrestling is not your cup of tea, and i wont try to make a fan out of you, but i would have thought a martial artist would be a bit more in tune with his body to the point that the positions wouldnt cause you any discomfort to watch

Again, wait until you have to treat/observe an all too "excited" teenager. But you are correct in a number of very real ways. (A) it's not my cup of tea. (B) I don't consider it a martial art, only a "sport" so I look at it as I look at all other "sports" involving children. (C) being an EMT puts me in a variety of uncomfortable positions which I would rather not be party to. Naked people isn't one of them, but dealing with teenage boys "on the rise" certainly tops the list...

[madman4570]

ya, I am finally tired of this nonsense of bickering!
Wasting time when could be doing something productive.
I will stop if he does?

[Streetstar]

OK, this is a much better thread drift Doug... maybe we can shift the othes away from the keyboard rankout?

In the real world I'm going to avoid as much extended physical contact as possible and use throws, joint locks, nerve strikes, and, if it gets on the ground, MMA techniques to get me back on my feet, not keep me rolling aound and rump riding.

Again, wait until you have to treat/observe an all too "excited" teenager. ...

That would be good --- much rather talk about either the actual sport of wrestling, or martial arts , than personal stuff.

Maybe the kid was nervous -- who knows , or had to urinate --- if he was anything like I was , probably embarrassed but trying to play it off at the same time



I mentioned Judo because the way it is structured as an Oly sport, and the general age kids can get involved -- it has become a little more "Americanized" than some of the other forms, and thus has more in common with wrestling from an organizational standpoint

My original love was Aikido, - and throws, joint locks and nerve strikes are de rigeur there , -- at my aikido school, the sifu had quite a bit of knowledge about Jiu Jitsu, so would teach us to transition into that if we ever hit the deck, but to try to regain our feet quickly and go back to Aikido-- I loved it , and was a couple of years before MMA and UFC started hitting it big, so the school was not full of wannabe's at the time
I genuinely preferred the relaxed style of Aikido and it fits my personality

Life was good , -- until I had to move to Tulsa, OK and there was no Aikido dojo, -- so the sifu recommended I try judo as an easy transition. It was relatively easy(the transition was easy
, judo is not necessarily easy ) , and I like expanding my boundaries a bit by trying new things , but at a certain point, I got bored of the sport aspect of judo -- it seemed to me with my former training, that while my opponent was looking for handholds and ways to score tournament style points, I could have ended the fight 3x over

I know winning and losing is life, and I lost -- a LOT (as a 4th kyu brown belt, I was typically paired with the more advanced judo students) , but Aikido was never about winning or losing to me , like I said above, its about ending a fight, - That aspect alone made me give up Judo after my first tournament ---

This is something I truly wish I could continue with if I could find a true Aikido school now and perhaps I still can someday (I would prefer a classic school without a belt structure, actually) --- just have so many other irons in the fire that its tough to deviate too much from my current routine

This board is full of enablers though , not just with leverguns ! --- OI, just you mentioning Aikido has me wondering where I put my old gi and if it will actually fit now

Time to go do some kata down by the pond, just like Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse !

[Streetstar]

ya, I am finally tired of this nonsense of bickering!
Wasting time when could be doing something productive.
I will stop if he does?

Yes ! -- Since there's 3 of you guys' loosely involved -- I'd say its better to walk away as 3 winners, than as 3 moderately disgruntled internet hounds (the whole , "agree to disagree" thing )

[madman4570]

ya, I am finally tired of this nonsense of bickering!
Wasting time when could be doing something productive.
I will stop if he does?

Yes ! -- Since there's 3 of you guys' loosely involved -- I'd say its better to walk away as 3 winners, than as 3 moderately disgruntled internet hounds (the whole , "agree to disagree" thing )

agreed!
Besides it makes me tired!