POLITICS - Blame shifts to TSA in Pilot's Gun Mishap

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:37 pm

Blame Shifts to TSA in Pilotâ€™s Gun Mishap

from the APSA at http://secure-skies.org/ (pro-gun pilots association)

Airline pilots and federal flight deck officers (FFDO) say ill-conceived TSA weapons handling
rules were to blame for the accidental discharge of a pilotâ€™s firearm in the cockpit of a US
Airways jet last weekend.
Federal officers familiar with the investigation say they repeatedly warned TSA officials that an
unprecedented TSA requirement that pilots take off and lock up their guns before leaving the
cockpit is manifestly unsafe and would result in accidents.
â€œThe pilot was trying to lock his gun and remove the holster in an airplane going 300 miles per
hour in preparation for landing and the padlock depressed the trigger,â€

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:57 pm

Hell no. THe Nut behind the trigger is NEVER responsible.

Guns are ALIVE! ALIVE I TELL YOU! AND THEY'RE COMING TO KILL US ALL!

bj94 · Post by **bj94** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:32 pm

You think maybe they could LAND THE PLANE first, and THEN fool around with the padlock?

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:20 am

CYA always takes on a life of it's own.......If those guns have one chambered and it's not in a holster, someone is screwing up real bad.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:36 am

bj94 wrote:You think maybe they could LAND THE PLANE first, and THEN fool around with the padlock?

Now THERE'S an idea!

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:13 am

I think we all agree the owner of the gun is always responsible for it. That being said, the TSA rules are moronic...

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:42 am

It's so good that the department of homeland security has informed our enemies that pilots are not armed during takeoff and landing. No need to wait for the plane to get into the air to take it. Good thinking.
Stupid pond-scum-sucking-parasites.

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:47 am

Is there any real need for the pilots themselves to be armed? They're now behind a pretty hefty security door. Their number one priority should be to fly the plane and not crash. Plain clothes air marshalls should take on the defense responsibility.

I hate flying. If god had intended me to fly, he would have given me wings, or a jet pack.

Cherokee · Post by **Cherokee** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:29 am

Jason - There are pilots on every flight, air marshalls are not on every flight.

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:36 am

Cherokee wrote:Jason - There are pilots on every flight, air marshalls are not on every flight.

That's a point. But should pilots really be pulling double duty as pilots and police? Maybe the flight attendants should be the armed one's, then

jengel · Post by **jengel** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:50 am

The FDDOs carry some nice hardware though. I agree with Ysabel, it's the handlers fault but it appears to be greatly aggravated by the stupid regs.

Nueces · Post by **Nueces** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:15 pm

Their number one priority is, and remains, flying safe. This priority goes all to hell right now, though, when someone is slashing their throats. That little 'distraction' must be dealt with as priority number one for as long as the threat lasts. How much help is that security door if a baddie gains access to the cockpit when the door is opened? He's safe in there now, isn't he? No set of procedures is infallible. Are you really ready to deny the last-ditch option to those whom you've already entrusted with your safety? Jeez, think about this.

Mark
retired airline pilot

Jason_W wrote:Is there any real need for the pilots themselves to be armed? They're now behind a pretty hefty security door. Their number one priority should be to fly the plane and not crash. Plain clothes air marshalls should take on the defense responsibility.

I hate flying. If god had intended me to fly, he would have given me wings, or a jet pack.

BAGTIC · Post by **BAGTIC** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:10 pm

Jason_W wrote:
Cherokee wrote:Jason - There are pilots on every flight, air marshalls are not on every flight.
That's a point. But should pilots really be pulling double duty as pilots and police? Maybe the flight attendants should be the armed one's, then

Then you might as well let the rest of us carry too. FA's are in the cabin mingling with passengers. It would be too easy for a nut to snatch their gun. The pilots are not supposed to be police. They are to secure the cockpit.