Hopkins & Allen 38 S&W Auction Purchase (Updated Pictures)

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FatJackDurham
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Hopkins & Allen 38 S&W Auction Purchase (Updated Pictures)

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I got it for a $375 plus fees. Out the door for $422.

I wanted to get it for $275 bid, but a guy near me started the bidding. I think he shilled. I almost let him have it for $350, but I went one more and he stopped.

I'll post pictures when I get home. Its a round barrel drop block lever single shot, throat is rough but the rifling looks good after it. The action is nice and crisp. Most screws are in good condition, good wood to metal fit.

How did I do? Too much? Good Deal? Robbed?

Its a Hopkins & Allen Arms, 38 S&W, falling block lever action single shot
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The front ramp sight is actually a metal shroud over a dovetail sight. Is this original or added? It sure doesn't look good... Also, the rifling isn't evident at the end of the muzzle at all.
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The wood all looks pretty good. Not major cracks, gouges or blemishes. Just a few pings. Good fit to metal too.
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The receiver shows traces of color hardening. That spot that look like a crack doesn't seem to be a crack I looked at it very closely and it's some kind of stain, or remains of the bluing.
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Here you see the linkage to the breachblock. I noticed that the screw connector is brass. The action is very smooth and tight! It snaps shut. I am not sure if the springs are original, but they are not sagging at all.
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Is it usual to see marking dots near the stamps? I was wondering if the slight unevenness of the 38 S&W meant it was a rebarrel and someone just wanted the stamps on there.
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The rifling in the throat is very rough as you can see. As you go down the barrel, it seems to look better. This is like my stevens was before I had it relined. I plan to shoot it tomorrow and decide what to do about it.
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So, what do you all think? I havent seen many Hopkins and Allen actions out there, so I don't know what this usually goes for or how the condition stacks up. I wanted it as a companion to my 38 S&W Lemonsqueezer, and I love the falling block action. Tell me what you think.
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A COOL old gun in fair condition.The .38 S&W round is not a very powerful round as I believe those rifles were designed for Black Powder. Let us know how it shoots.
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Looks like I over paid a little. Only other ones I can find sold for $360 - $375. A lot of .22 cal ones. Not so many 38 S&W.
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It's only Pennies albeit a whole bunch of them. It is like a lot of the Guns that seem to bought on here,- "They don't make them anymore". What is that twist rate ? Looks pretty fast. That's the prob with Auctions, sometimes We get carried away but U will be OK.
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Looks cool for sure. Can't wait to hear how she shoots. Good luck! :D
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pwl44m wrote:It's only Pennies albeit a whole bunch of them. It is like a lot of the Guns that seem to bought on here,- "They don't make them anymore". What is that twist rate ? Looks pretty fast. That's the prob with Auctions, sometimes We get carried away but U will be OK.
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heh. don't know the twist. You are right, it does look fast.
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You have a Model 938. Front sight is not original. If you're happy with it you did not pay too much. The only caliber rarer than yours was the 25WCF.
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jdad wrote:You have a Model 938. Front sight is not original. If you're happy with it you did not pay too much. The only caliber rarer than yours was the 25WCF.
Thanks, Jdad, for that. I am much happier now I have shot it.

Can I see photos of yours and the correct sights?
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I do not have one. I have several single shot books including James Grant's, from 1947.
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sorry, i misread. I thought you said you had one.
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Over paid? I don't think so, I'd love to have it for that. Very good find.

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hightime wrote:Over paid? I don't think so, I'd love to have it for that. Very good find.

Owen
Yeah, like I said, I feel much better having shot it. Still, there is no question the 38 S&W stamp is hand done. On the 922 models, there is a roll stamp of the caliber. So, I wonder what the total story is for this gun. I'll probably never know.

THe only other marking which I haven't photo'd is probably a serial number or batch number on the front of the receiver. A 3 7, with a sideways 8 and a V underneath.

There are also tapped holes on the receiver for a tang sight, but with the 38 S&W cartridge, I can't possible imagine needing one except for precision short range shooting. According to my ballistics computer, the Point Blank Zero for a 38 S&W is about 55 yards, with an 18 inch drop at 100, and 620 fps at 100 yards.

Thanks for the confidence though.
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FatJackDurham wrote:Looks like I over paid a little. Only other ones I can find sold for $360 - $375. A lot of .22 cal ones. Not so many 38 S&W.
I'd say it was on the high side considering the condition, but auctions have a way making us overpay. I've been guilty a time or two myself :oops:
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JB wrote:
FatJackDurham wrote:Looks like I over paid a little. Only other ones I can find sold for $360 - $375. A lot of .22 cal ones. Not so many 38 S&W.
I'd say it was on the high side considering the condition, but auctions have a way making us overpay. I've been guilty a time or two myself :oops:
Sigh..... Well, the good news is, when news of my purchase makes it to the Blue Book people, it will raise the curve a little. :D
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thanks for posting - really neat firearm. Congratulations on finding it.

no +P :mrgreen:
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Which of these would be the correct front site for this rifle?

Blade site, Rocky Mountain?
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Post site, casted one piece?
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I can tell you that I would have been happy to buy that for what you paid.

What a neat old action. As compact as a Martini but with an exposed hammer. I love it.

If you get sick of it just send it out to me in Sydney.

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Sydney? I might have to hand deliver it.....
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