M92 38/357

[beemerpb]

Guy's, I am new to the forum. I have scanned the topics maybe missed what I was looking for.
New M92 38/357 ( to be my new brush gun ) I can only load 38 -- It will not load 357. Why?
Was told at the Taurus site, need to run 300 rounds then it will break in and should do fine.
Wrong. I have over 500 ATT. I am not a gun smith. I have worked on bolt actions but know nothing about the setting up of a lever gun.
Help

[Bob Hatfield]

I feel your pain. I bought a 38/357 Rossi at a gunshow used for a good deal and it will not feed any .357 . Feeds 38's like butter. Tinkered with it, but it looks like I need to start with a new lifter and guides. But then again I should sell it to a CAS shooter for what I have in it as it will cycle and shoot the 38's like a dream.

Steves Guns can help you possibly. He goes by "Nate Kiowa Jones" on this forum and others. He is a 92 Rossi expert. Others will chime in, but in the meantime you can search for 92 Rossi feeding and there is a lot of discussion about problems feeding .357


Bob

[AJMD429]

I've never had to fiddle with mine, but I know it CAN be done, and someone on here will hopefully be inside goofing off on the forum today and let you know the answer.

I'd get extra parts before filing on any, but having extra ones is a good idea anyway. You might even find that a new carrier/lifter actually makes it feed the slightly longer rounds...!

[beemerpb]

Thank you for the response.
Will attempt to get the parts and get in touch with Steve.
All info is welcome.
Otherwise this gun will be scrap metal.

[pwl44m]

Welcome to the Forum (the only one U need) I will give U 2 times scrap price and U won't have to mess with it and I don't even know what scrap metal is going for right now. If it was made to shoot 357 then by golly it will (eventually).
Perry

[rossim92]

check the oal of your ammo. Rossi tends to like them them in the 1.5 to 1.6 in length.. Try different manufacturers as they can be fickle . contact nate at http://www.stevesgunz.com/. He is the one guru to talk to. He did a slick action job on mine. He might even chime in here.

[earlmck]

beemer, these danged m92's are so length sensitive it is frustrating. Mine won't feed regular-length 38's or slightly long 357's (like I load for my ruger revolver) but will feed long-seated 38's or short-seated 357's. Polishing the guide slots helped a little bit but not enough to get my favorite 357 load to feed.

Some people lucked out and have Rossi's that feed anything, but most of us are somewhere else. When you get the secret figured out I really want to know it.

[jnyork]

I had feed problems with mine as well. Bought a Lee Factory Crimp Die, problem went away instantly.

[Griff]

I had a much longer answer written, then... 'puter gremlins set in... nah, really... I clicked on something I shouldn't have... POOF! Gone! Oh well, the ghist was still in short term memory (human):

Sometimes we're our own worst enemy. Bullet selection has a LOT to do with feeding characteristics of leverguns. Generally speaking, round nose, (the flatter the nose the better, being a tubular mag), and truncated cone shapes feed best. While wadcutters are generally verbotten, even semi-wadcutters can be "iffy". And in .357Mag cases weighter (heavier), bullets that are loaded long will certainly be problematic.

If you like to tinker, then visit Marauder's Rifle Tips and Tune-ups. If not, then send it off to Nate...

[AJMD429]

I had feed problems with mine as well. Bought a Lee Factory Crimp Die, problem went away instantly.

That's weird... I don't get why that would help... I do like the FCD's though, although I got the "rifle" version of 357 & 44 Mag, and 45 Colt instead of the "pistol" version.

Definitely DON'T scrap the gun; it WILL be made to function the loads you want eventually.

[Hagler]

beemerpb,

You need to be a little celerer: Do you have a feeding problem, or a chambering problem? Can you manually chamber, one-at-time, any .357 rounds? I ask, because some of the Brizilian-only Rossi are set up for .38 Special-only.

Shawn

[Tycer]

OK Bob,
First, Welcome!
Second, at what point does the feeding problem happen? Can you take a picture? Does it matter how fast you cycle the action? Does it do it with different 357 ammo?
The 92 action is fantastic, one JMBs greatest designs IMO. Asking it to handle ammo that varies in length a quarter inch is pushing the design. Most likely we'll get you sorted out and you'll love the gun.

[Pete44ru]

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Yep - Welcome to our corner of the www; and be sure cycle the action like it owes you money.


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[beemerpb]

Ok: After reading the reply's, Thus gaining some insight as to what to look for.
1. Problem is feeding the 357 round into the chamber. Manually - placed it fits and fires.
2. appears the rounds - either 38 or 357 are not centered to the chamber for correct alignment.
they are at the 4:30 / 5 position of the chamber for entry instead of 6 o-clock- slightly to the right.
Thus the longer 357 rounds will hit the case walls of the round before they have a chance to re-center
on the chamber.
At least that is what I believe. I wish I had a good camera to take a pic. and post for ya-ll to comment on.
Does this sound correct ? Or am I looking in the wrong place.

[Tycer]

They should be centered. Now to find out why.

This is a 38 Special in an older Rossi.

[BuckRimfire]

Wow, it sounds like I've been lucky! My new (lightly used) M92 24" SS octagonal feeds everything I've tried in it so far from .38s with 125 lead RNFP or JHP to 358429 Keith SWC in .357 brass @ 1.64" COAL. The dummy rounds I made up to test the action before purchase fed fairly roughly except the longer SWC, but those had little crimp, except again the longer SWC. The live ammo has better crimps, so I guess that is the key difference.

My only complaint is that almost every case has maybe 1/6 of the circumference of the case mouth chewed up a little bit. Just enough to make it look bright and a tiny bit ragged. I figure this must be happening during cycling, since they couldn't ALL be landing on the concrete in the same orientation. It's probably after firing, since the area looks bright against the sooty case, but how the case mouth gets scraped like that during extraction and ejection is beyond me. I really looks like it would be caused by the case being driven forward against something.

[Tycer]

Wow, it sounds like I've been lucky! My new (lightly used) M92 24" SS octagonal feeds everything I've tried in it so far from .38s with 125 lead RNFP or JHP to 358429 Keith SWC in .357 brass @ 1.64" COAL. The dummy rounds I made up to test the action before purchase fed fairly roughly except the longer SWC, but those had little crimp, except again the longer SWC. The live ammo has better crimps, so I guess that is the key difference.

My only complaint is that almost every case has maybe 1/6 of the circumference of the case mouth chewed up a little bit. Just enough to make it look bright and a tiny bit ragged. I figure this must be happening during cycling, since they couldn't ALL be landing on the concrete in the same orientation. It's probably after firing, since the area looks bright against the sooty case, but how the case mouth gets scraped like that during extraction and ejection is beyond me. I really looks like it would be caused by the case being driven forward against something.

I'll wager that's the standard over strength ejector spring doing that. Get the proper spring from Steve and give that a try. Www.stevesgunz.com

[BuckRimfire]

Thanks! So the case mouth is scraping up against the rear of the chamber?

[Tycer]

Thanks! So the case mouth is scraping up against the rear of the chamber?

That's my guess. With the correct spring (and a bit of deburring) the cases should drop a foot or two off your right foot. Steve's DVD gives you all the info on how to slick that gun up.

[JerryB]

I want to Amen Tycer on Steve's video and springs. I went from hunting brass in a 40 foot area to picking them all up less than 2 feet from me.