Ah yes, the joys of Taurus quality control.......

[MrMurphy]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... s-pistols/

The São Paulo State Military Police (PMSP), a gendarmerie tasked with the state’s non-investigative police work, have recalled all of the 98,000 (no, not a typo) .40 S&W Taurus 24/7 DS pistols issued to their personnel after discovering that some of them could be discharged without the trigger being pulled. In the video below, from SBT.com.br, demonstrates how easily the faulty pistols can be discharged …

Taurus (Brazil, not Taurus USA) technicians will be investigating the problem and have promised an official comment soon.




And people don't believe me when I say Taurus sucks.

[2ndovc]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... s-pistols/


And people don't believe me when I say Taurus sucks.

I'm with you there!

My dad bought a bag full of Taurus revolvers from an old friend really cheap.
All were snub nose type revolvers of various calibers. One, ONE out of eight actually worked as it should have.
It was a .44 spl but he sold that one off as a parts gun just because the others were absolute junk!

jb

[Chuck 100 yd]

Are they going back to throwing rocks?? Probably better than Taurus.

[jdad]

...........but they have a lifetime warranty.

[Sixgun]

Colt, Ruger, Smith & Wesson..............Colt, Ruger, Smith & Wesson,........Colt, Ruger, Smith & Wesson............-------6

[Sixgun]

...........but they have a lifetime warranty.

Yea, a lot of good that's going to do someone if it breaks just when you need it

Junk is junk and always will be junk.----Elmer Keith

[AJMD429]

I have had a couple PT-92's that are flawless in function, and a 7-shot Tracker 357 that is smooth, solid, and accurate, as well as snubby DA revolvers in 22 LR, 22 WRM, and 38 Special that all were 'decent' though not smooth.

I know that those six or seven don't constitute a 'statistically valid sample', and that any one of them could fail tomorrow, but I wouldn't hesitate to trust the PT-92's as CCW guns, if I didn't mind stepping down to 9mm vs. 45 ACP. I like the design better than the Beretta's they are clones of.

I think all the companies are coming out with too many new semiauto designs, with too many small parts, and so many 'safety' features they start to cause un-safe issues if they don't all work just perfectly. I've seen recalls by pretty much all of the big names over the years, but it seems like most of them are in the new-fangled semiautos.

Give me a 1911 or a '92' design - just a few, simple, parts, and I'll trust it with my life. Start adding lots of little wires and springs and stamped-metal funky-shaped parts that don't even have sensible names, and it becomes more of a 'range toy' vs. CCW-gun, as far as I'm concerned. A Glock is about as 'fancy' a gun as I'd be willing to trust, and they have too many little parts; the only reason I'd trust one is the long track-record of reliability - I figure they've worked out the bugs by now.

[fordwannabe]

Two years ago I bought a taurus tracker 5 shot 44 mag, I was hoping to save a couple bucks over a smith since it was a bear country walking not shooting too much gun, AND 15 OR MORE YEARS AGO I HAD BOUGHT AND USED A LITTLE 5 SHOT 357 Taurus THAT WAS WONDERFUL. Well the tracker would not eject all the cases with a single push on the ejector rod, two would hang most of the time and at least one EVERY TIME. The other issue was the trigger pull was AWFUL,BAD, TRASH,JUNK CRAPPY AND WELL NOT GOOD. One time it would be 2-3 pounds and the next pull 10 plus that does not help accuracy at all. I ended up trading it(and a simply rugged pancake,and speedloaders) in on a model 29 that has been 100% satisfactory in every way(except it didn't fit my simply rugged holster that I had, so I had to plop down more money). Wish I had just gotten a Smith right from the get go and saved money in the long run. I learnt.

[1894c]

after watching that video all I can say is...YIKES...
i never owned a tarus...me thinks i'll stay with Glock...

[Ji in Hawaii]

I guess I've been lucky, never had any real problems with Taurus or Rossi products though they have all been rifles or revolvers, no autos. My one warranty issue was for my model 94 22 revolver which would fall to fire 33% of the time in DA mode, and the rear sight drifted from recoil. Had both fixed and gun back in two weeks. That was over 20 years ago, no problem since. Also the triggers on all my Taurus firearms are smooth and light. Their autos have never thrilled me though design or aesthetically wise.

[7.62 Precision]

It seems a lot depends on which firearm it is. They are better at some models than others.

[MrMurphy]

Agreed.

Rossis, while never particularly pretty, generally worked. Taurus were prettier but had more issues from personal experiences seeing other people's guns returned, etc.

It can vary by model, some they seem to get right (the PT92 being one) though back 10-15 years ago this wasn't always the case then either. I've seen some of their revolvers be good and the majority, atrocious.

I had a Taurus 62 carbine which ate up about 2,000 rounds of .22 LR without an issue, but I've heard at least four or five others report problems with the same model rifle...so it varies.


AJDM, you do realize that a Glock has 33 parts total, which is actually less than a 1911 or a 92 as far as I remember? The M&P from Smith has about five more parts, mostly because it's fully ambidextrous.

[jeepnik]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... s-pistols/

The São Paulo State Military Police (PMSP), a gendarmerie tasked with the state’s non-investigative police work, have recalled all of the 98,000 (no, not a typo) .40 S&W Taurus 24/7 DS pistols issued to their personnel after discovering that some of them could be discharged without the trigger being pulled. In the video below, from SBT.com.br, demonstrates how easily the faulty pistols can be discharged …

Taurus (Brazil, not Taurus USA) technicians will be investigating the problem and have promised an official comment soon.




And people don't believe me when I say Taurus sucks.

Well, I'm a non believer! The Taurus handguns I've owned have had no issues. Then again, didn't Ruger recall a few "models" of handguns? Hasn't S&W (and I'm a huge fan of S&W) had issues? What about Berretta, seems they had some government owned guns have a few "problems", how many had the military bought that needed "warranty" work?

In short, look at any mass produced product these days, and you'll find "recalls".

[Ray Newman]

Probably Geo. Bush's fault. He gets blamed for everything, everywhere....

[MrMurphy]

The Beretta problems were because Seal Team Six (among others) were shooting hot 9mm +P+ loads, usually suppressed, which the gun wasn't built for, in large amounts, and parts failed.

The locking block issue was a design fault, still there, though realistically the gun will shoot 20,000+ rounds without the block even likely needing inspection.


Taurus has issues, pretty much regardless of model, across the board for decades. Yours work fine, which is cool for you, but they're samples of ONE.

[wll]

Probably Geo. Bush's fault. He gets blamed for everything, everywhere....

OMG, OMG ..... That is so funny --- lol, lol.

wll

[jeepnik]

The Beretta problems were because Seal Team Six (among others) were shooting hot 9mm +P+ loads, usually suppressed, which the gun wasn't built for, in large amounts, and parts failed.

The locking block issue was a design fault, still there, though realistically the gun will shoot 20,000+ rounds without the block even likely needing inspection.


Taurus has issues, pretty much regardless of model, across the board for decades. Yours work fine, which is cool for you, but they're samples of ONE.

Well true, mine are a limited sampling. But they were "chosen at random". You'd think that if Taurus handguns were of such poor quality I'd have come across at least one.

By the way, how many do you now or have owned? Likely fewer than I have, and one could say the one's you've had were "samples of one".

Now if you don't like Taurus as a company for some reason, that's one thing, but to try and convince others that there products are poor quality because of your dislike is doing poor service to those who read your opinions.

[MrMurphy]

Owned? One, a Taurus 62 carbine, as stated.

Seen? Probably in excess of two hundred over a 20 year time period. Seen brought in for service and repair to gunshops, known others personally with the same problem, etc.

Toss in reading on the internet? Yeah, it's not exactly a secret. The entire Taurus Millenium line of autos (which, for the money, I actually rather liked) had frame cracking issues because they used too thin of a polymer. I believe the .45 model was the only one exempt (different frame size). I've personally seen and handled six different Milleniums brought in for this issue to one gunshop I shopped at regularly, around 2002.

Talk to most any gunshop and they'll tell you that lifetime warranty gets used.....a lot. I've seen some quite good Tauri, the Raging Bulls tend to do pretty well (out of a sample of around 15, I have yet to see a bad one) and the PT92's have, across the board generally done well, the few issues are the typical QC stuff (heavy trigger, etc) but not pure fail like this one.


Longer video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 7dKHo#t=22

[Sixgun]

I had a Taurus 62 carbine which ate up about 2,000 rounds of .22 LR without an issue, but I've heard at least four or five others report problems with the same model rifle...so it varies.

I've got an antique Winchester model 1890, made in 1913 that has eaten up at least 30,000 rds and that's been since I've had it. A model 63 in .22, made in 1931 has gone through 10,000 rds. Colt Lightnings and 1892 Winchesters in centerfire calibers have surpassed the 7500 rd. mark. Original 1873's, 1886's and '94's are in this bunch. I could go on with others I've had and from friends. I can count on one hand, the internal parts that have broke.

The point here is that these guns were made on old technology machines with inferior steel. Guns are my life and always have been. I've seen and shot most all popular and some rare models from dozens of old time manufacturers. Military ones from the early 1870's. to WW2. They go on and on. (We will exclude the many cheap suicide specials)

My best bud has the "ins" with several major manufacturers. Colt, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Savage, Browning, (Jap Miroko), Remington, along with a couple of Central European manufacturers like HK, Beretta, Sig, Glock,still make guns that go and go. Everyone else, especially the South American manufacturers, despite modern CNC machinery, advanced technology, better steels, better "know how" make junk out of the box. Some can be refined to be dependable.......maybe.

I'm sure I made some omissions here and some of the good manufacturers have made junk models from time to time, such as Marlin......they used to be good up to the nineties or so.------Sixgun

[JerryB]

Reckon I'll have to say my Taurus 431 3 inch .44 special has not been a disappointing piece of junk. I am not a professional gunman or self appointed guru. I am just an old man that will carry and use a gun that will function smooth for me, and this short barreled .44 does just that.

[Ysabel Kid]

I've been lucky thus far with the Taurus firearms I've owned. I've never had to use their warranty service, but one of my buddy's did, and it was indeed a "no-questions-asked" affair, and they fixed the gun straight away.

I agree that your chances of a good gun right out of the box go up when you pick a tried-and-true name. So do the costs as well. Sometimes it is a gamble or trade-off.

[Ji in Hawaii]

My first and only new Ruger SBH was a turd right out of the box with a misshapened loading gate that would not stay closed and rattled as well as grind marks galore on the frame that made my Taurus model 44 look and feel like a Purdy in comparison. Sold that turd unfired to someone desperate enough for a new SBH to overlook it's imperfections. My 357 Magnum Blackhawk I got used and she was a jewel, difficult to believe they were made by the same manufacturer.

[madman4570]

Have or had(daughters boyfriends now)couple Taurus's. A PT111 Pro and a SS .454 Raging Bull
The PT111 was "decent" The Raging Bull actually very nice(shot extremely pleasant, much better than regular 44mag loads in my SS S&W 629

The 629 was crafted good and it was a fine looking weapon.

A couple really stick in my mind, If you want an absolute barn burner and I mean so overkill built(and heavy)get your hands on a late 90's Star 31P If you couldn't drop something with the 16rds you could knock them out with the solid rugged metal.

Now, of all the handguns I have had----Just an absolute work of art and so overkill built, my polished SS Old style 1985 Ruger Vaquero .45 Colt, what an absolute machined work of art. It dawned simulated Ivory grips. Fine, Fine, Fine

My 1970's Ruger .44mag Super Blackhawk was rugged but not as refined as that Vaquero. (Daughter's boyfriend has them all, so I still can fondle them guns)

Did buy my BIL back in 1980 a Taurus Model 66 .357 mag-------he actually loves it, or so he tells me he does?
Said he has put over 10,000 rds through it??? Still perfect???

[JohndeFresno]

I don't understand it. I have never had my Taurus fire prematurely.