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My Daughter Wants a .40
And is asking the best way to go.....I have a 1911, a Glock, LCP, and a Springer XD-M.....all those could translate into a design for a .40.....I'd feel better for her to have a no muss, fuss DAO if she can remember not to shoot herself....
I'm so proud
AND, she invited me to go shooting Monday.....is life good, or what?
I'm so proud
AND, she invited me to go shooting Monday.....is life good, or what?
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
I would say Glock just for the simplicity not to mention reliability. The 23 (compact) is the perfect balance in my experience. Good size to remain controllable yet still compact enough to carry concealed. I tried the 27 (sub-compact) but found the grip to be too small. Found myself having to re-grip between shots. I have carried a 23 for the last three years without issue. In the end I would say let her handle and shoot as many different kinds as possible and let her pick what she is most comfortable with.
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Yup.....She already has a real nice, older S&W Blue/Stag 36 with 3" bbl that I gave her.....If she likes my G30, I'll rent her a .40 in that size and see if she likes it...
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A friend of mine has a CZ in .40 and I've shot it. I was very impressed with it. Accurate and reliable and all steel construction if I recall. A very nice .40!
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I have a Springfield Sub-compact in .40 S&W. It is a bit thinner in the grip (which is why I have it, small hands, short fingers) she should shoot it well.
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+1.RustyJr wrote:...I would say let her handle and shoot as many different kinds as possible and let her pick what she is most comfortable with.
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Yup....I just like bragging on Her a bunchGriff wrote:+1.RustyJr wrote:...I would say let her handle and shoot as many different kinds as possible and let her pick what she is most comfortable with.
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
There ain't no better time that range time with yur kid. Good for you and her!
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
I personally believe the 9mm is more than enough. One thing for sure, the 9mm is a lot easier to control and as a girl, she will be more inclined to shoot it more in order to develop the confidence we all need when we whip it out.------------------------6
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I think Sixgun is right; but if she insists on a 40 take a hard look at the S&W M&P40.
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
That depends. My middle daughter is so thin I think she has worms, but she prefers a wide-body Para Ordnance 12-shot 45 to any of the 9mm's she's shot (KelTec, Ruger, and full-size Taurus, as far as being fun to shoot...Sixgun wrote:I personally believe the 9mm is more than enough. One thing for sure, the 9mm is a lot easier to control and as a girl, she will be more inclined to shoot it more in order to develop the confidence we all need when we whip it out.------------------------6
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
Don't tell her that....She has been a good shot for over 15 years, and recoil does not really bother....My .45s do not hold any mystery for herSixgun wrote:I personally believe the 9mm is more than enough. One thing for sure, the 9mm is a lot easier to control and as a girl, she will be more inclined to shoot it more in order to develop the confidence we all need when we whip it out.------------------------6
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
Blaine, my grandson has a Kahr PM .40 that is a real nice gun and it does shoot good. My wife enjoys shooting it when we can get to the range. She can hit golf balls with it so the trigger is not to bad.
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
I'd recommend the M&P in 9mm or .40 over the Glock.
That said I've carried a Glock for 14 years (G30). Most women find the M&P fits them better than the Glock with the interchangeable backstraps (yes, Glock now has them, but they're not as thin).
I am not a .40 guy, as I'd always had 9mm and .45 I had no real need for it. I just put 1,000 rounds of .40 through an M&P as my duty gun, and it recoils less than a Glock 22 or 23 (having shot both extensively) and noticeably less than the XD and XDM according to two guys who were qualifying with those and shot mine (and now want S&Ws......).
I'm content with the .40 as a duty pistol but the 9mm performs just as well with modern ammo and you gain a few rounds. Recoil is less, mostly an issue when shooting one handed.
Three of the five women in our qualifying group run M&Ps, the other two run Glocks either by agency decree (issued) or familiarity (her husband shot Glocks his entire career and when she went in, she's got large enough hands it's not an issue and has put thousands of rounds through Glocks so stuck with what she's familiar with).
Either are good guns, but in .40 the S&W wins on recoil reduction over the Glock. In 9mm they're about the same. You can also get M&Ps with and without thumb safeties. (1911 type).
That said I've carried a Glock for 14 years (G30). Most women find the M&P fits them better than the Glock with the interchangeable backstraps (yes, Glock now has them, but they're not as thin).
I am not a .40 guy, as I'd always had 9mm and .45 I had no real need for it. I just put 1,000 rounds of .40 through an M&P as my duty gun, and it recoils less than a Glock 22 or 23 (having shot both extensively) and noticeably less than the XD and XDM according to two guys who were qualifying with those and shot mine (and now want S&Ws......).
I'm content with the .40 as a duty pistol but the 9mm performs just as well with modern ammo and you gain a few rounds. Recoil is less, mostly an issue when shooting one handed.
Three of the five women in our qualifying group run M&Ps, the other two run Glocks either by agency decree (issued) or familiarity (her husband shot Glocks his entire career and when she went in, she's got large enough hands it's not an issue and has put thousands of rounds through Glocks so stuck with what she's familiar with).
Either are good guns, but in .40 the S&W wins on recoil reduction over the Glock. In 9mm they're about the same. You can also get M&Ps with and without thumb safeties. (1911 type).
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+1RustyJr wrote:I would say Glock just for the simplicity not to mention reliability. The 23 (compact) is the perfect balance in my experience. Good size to remain controllable yet still compact enough to carry concealed. I tried the 27 (sub-compact) but found the grip to be too small. Found myself having to re-grip between shots. I have carried a 23 for the last three years without issue. In the end I would say let her handle and shoot as many different kinds as possible and let her pick what she is most comfortable with.
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
my glock 21c has less recoil than my buddie's s&w 40. Just that its a double stack and fits my long fingers nicely
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
My daughter is 5'6" with no excess baggage......well except for the baby due in 3 weeks. She tried M&P, Glock, Beretta PX4, Kahr, Sig, Ruger, Springfield XD, and Walther PPQ. She settled on the Walther in 9mm. I prefer hers over my Glock 19; but I couldn't pass up the deal I got on the Glock. Her husband carrys a Walther PPS single stack 9mm which she has tried and she still prefers her double stack PPQ. In the interest of being thorough give it a try; it may make a believer out of you. BTW it comes in .40 also.
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
A lot of this will depend on whether or not I can get her to apply for a carry permit Yes, I know...I have no idea where she got the "hard-headed" trait I don't know why they don't make more DA w/decocker
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Because DA/SA was a solution looking for a problem, and people want a single trigger type to learn.
Thus why DAO revolvers, 1911s and Glock-type triggers sell the best.
They're still out there, they'll never permanently go away, but they won't be 'popular'.
Thus why DAO revolvers, 1911s and Glock-type triggers sell the best.
They're still out there, they'll never permanently go away, but they won't be 'popular'.
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For the expert, no doubt....For EveryMan, a DA provided a large cap, somewhat safer carry than a cocked and locked SA (or, a DAO stupidly carried with finger in wrong place ). A nice single action trigger for plinking/target, and rapid deployment for SD....No? Yes?MrMurphy wrote:Because DA/SA was a solution looking for a problem, and people want a single trigger type to learn.
Thus why DAO revolvers, 1911s and Glock-type triggers sell the best.
They're still out there, they'll never permanently go away, but they won't be 'popular'.
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
Glock 27, if you want the BEST for your child. you can buy a lone wolfe 9mm barrell for a $100. This allows alot of cheap practice with the 9. I have this set up with 9, 11, 13, 15, and 22 shot .40 mags and 10, 17 and 33 shot 9mm's.
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It's her pick, not yours. My daughter picked out an FNP-40, and she's good with it!!!
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The Glock is one of my faves for myself when I need a pistol bigger than my Sig 238 or Colt Det Special
I don't like the lack of a manual safety for most though --- but if she is accomplished enough that this is not an issue, then Gaston Glock's company makes darn decent self defense kit, even if they are ugly
I carry a G-29 and keep a G-20 in the truck a lot of the time here lately
I don't like the lack of a manual safety for most though --- but if she is accomplished enough that this is not an issue, then Gaston Glock's company makes darn decent self defense kit, even if they are ugly
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The basic rule of 'keep your finger off the trigger' suffices for most of the world's population, those it doesn't either learn with an embarassing hole in a wall, or shouldn't be armed with anything more dangerous than a butterknife.
DA triggers won't stop negligent discharges due to finger-on-trigger. NYPD, if I remember correctly from their own published statistics, had MORE negligent discharges with revolvers than automatics, even though their Glocks have revolver-like NY-1 12 pound triggers (which are nearly unshootable) because of that theoretical 'safe' of the heavy trigger.
If she doesn't like the Shield, the Walther PPS is the same size and also excellent though the mag release takes some getting used to.
I like Glocks, having been shooting them for going on 20 years and carrying them nearly that long, but I feel the M&P is a superior design. S&W more or less set out to fix all the problems people were complaining to Glock about them not fixing (which, after losing a ton of sales, they FINALLY fixed partially with the Gen 4 guns.....ironically, Glock USA had been telling them since 2000 they needed these changes, but the Glock Austria Perfectionists said they didn't. Heard direct from a senior Glock representative.)
DA triggers won't stop negligent discharges due to finger-on-trigger. NYPD, if I remember correctly from their own published statistics, had MORE negligent discharges with revolvers than automatics, even though their Glocks have revolver-like NY-1 12 pound triggers (which are nearly unshootable) because of that theoretical 'safe' of the heavy trigger.
If she doesn't like the Shield, the Walther PPS is the same size and also excellent though the mag release takes some getting used to.
I like Glocks, having been shooting them for going on 20 years and carrying them nearly that long, but I feel the M&P is a superior design. S&W more or less set out to fix all the problems people were complaining to Glock about them not fixing (which, after losing a ton of sales, they FINALLY fixed partially with the Gen 4 guns.....ironically, Glock USA had been telling them since 2000 they needed these changes, but the Glock Austria Perfectionists said they didn't. Heard direct from a senior Glock representative.)
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
I've got 3 .40's for carry. Astra A-75 single stack, Astra A-100 double stack and a Kahr P-40 with night sights.
I did my research before I bought the Kahr and after I bought it I went to the website and ordered their compensated barrel. Back then it was $100.
The Kahr shoots the best but only holds 6-7 rounds depending on the mag.
The others hold more but they're heavy, steel frame.
I did my research before I bought the Kahr and after I bought it I went to the website and ordered their compensated barrel. Back then it was $100.
The Kahr shoots the best but only holds 6-7 rounds depending on the mag.
The others hold more but they're heavy, steel frame.
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DA w/Decocker is old technology, the transition from 1st to 2nd shot was bothersome to some...the striker fired pistols (Glock, S&W M&P, Ruger SR, SA-XD) are easier to train with, easier to shoot, same trigger pull every shot...we can take a "new LEO", who isn't a gun guy/gal, and have him/her qualify with a Glock in a couple of sessions (10 hours I believe)...BlaineG wrote:A lot of this will depend on whether or not I can get her to apply for a carry permit :roll: Yes, I know...I have no idea where she got the "hard-headed" trait :oops: I don't know why they don't make more DA w/decocker :(
i like Glocks, tried the M&P (both in .40S&W and in 9mm) traded them away and went back to Glock (just prefer the simplicity and the familiarity, just a personal preference)...i carry a Glock 27 in .40S&W as my EDC, i also own a Glock 23 (woods gun). as far as the .40S&W, we have had three OIS's (officer involved shooting) within the last two years and the .40S&W has had good results...my buds back-east with NYPD do very well with their Glock 19's in 9mm... :)
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I'm much, much better with a nice single action trigger pull. A dozen years ago I shot grouse with my G36, so I have done both....For SD, I don't worry too much about perfect accuracy...Just about double tapping that LCP into the BG's chest....
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Recently I had a chance to try out an HK USP .40 (full size) and I now have it on my "gotta have" list. I used around 750 total rounds of cheap reloads and factory ammo, not a single FTE or FTF. A very fine pistol in my opinion.
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I have a Glock 27 and a tactical Springfield XD in .40 S&W. The sub-combat Glock is downright painful to shoot with stout loads if it is cold out. Then again, maybe it is just age sneaking up on me! I do like the additional grip safety on the Springfield. Call me old-school!
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I was a revolver hold out until recently (for SD). Lately it seems like you're going to be jumped by a group of YUGs...(young, urban Gents...), and I'm not sure five or six will do it any more...Just me, but, I can reload a mag quicker than a speed loader....I'm sure many can do the opposite....
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Seriously... Charter Arms advertises a stainless-built DA/SA in .40S&W. I recall a favorable magazine review of it but have not fired one myself. About 20 oz as I remember.
Serious recommendations (from BTDT folks) cannot overlook the fact of a revolver leaving no cases at the scene. And being a revolver a defensive gun looks alot better in a courtroom than a black plastic movie gun... Opinion here based on experience.
Don't carry it unless you believe you will use it on another person; and a thinking person understands the fireworks begin after the shot.
Any other compact DA revolvers out there in such a caliber?
Serious recommendations (from BTDT folks) cannot overlook the fact of a revolver leaving no cases at the scene. And being a revolver a defensive gun looks alot better in a courtroom than a black plastic movie gun... Opinion here based on experience.
Don't carry it unless you believe you will use it on another person; and a thinking person understands the fireworks begin after the shot.
Any other compact DA revolvers out there in such a caliber?
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I've been waiting for years for Charter Arms to bring out the .45acp revolver....I guess they just can't get that one off the ground for some reason....mohavesam wrote:Seriously... Charter Arms advertises a stainless-built DA/SA in .40S&W. I recall a favorable magazine review of it but have not fired one myself. About 20 oz as I remember.
Serious recommendations (from BTDT folks) cannot overlook the fact of a revolver leaving no cases at the scene. And being a revolver a defensive gun looks alot better in a courtroom than a black plastic movie gun... Opinion here based on experience.
Don't carry it unless you believe you will use it on another person; and a thinking person understands the fireworks begin after the shot.
Any other compact DA revolvers out there in such a caliber?
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Lawyers will attempt to crucify you in court no matter what you were using. You could spear the guy and they'd find a reason to go after you.
Polymer pistols are the piece of choice worldwide among law enforcement, as are hollowpoint rounds. Simply pointing out that if it's good enough for your local department, it's obviously good enough for you will cure that issue (and has, in various court cases).
Polymer pistols are the piece of choice worldwide among law enforcement, as are hollowpoint rounds. Simply pointing out that if it's good enough for your local department, it's obviously good enough for you will cure that issue (and has, in various court cases).
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+1 ... i am in total agreement with you're assessment, wouldn't be worried in recommending the same type of auto and ammo that my local PD or Sheriff's office carries, actually i believe this makes more sense. i use to be a big revolver guy, until i became involved with my local LE Agency, sold all of the 5-shots, just carry Glocks...have my name on a list for a M&P Shield, again... :)MrMurphy wrote:Lawyers will attempt to crucify you in court no matter what you were using. You could spear the guy and they'd find a reason to go after you.
Polymer pistols are the piece of choice worldwide among law enforcement, as are hollowpoint rounds. Simply pointing out that if it's good enough for your local department, it's obviously good enough for you will cure that issue (and has, in various court cases).
Ysabel Kid -- my favorite Glock is a 27, my recommendation is to practice more with it...practice helps tame the beast, well at least for me...and yeah you're OLD SCHOOL, just like ME... :)
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not sure you're revolver recommendation for SD is actually a concern, at least not in the criminal proceedings i am personally aware of, but of course my experience is limited to the jurisdiction and region that i serve...but i do appreciate you're input and comments... :)mohavesam wrote:Seriously... Charter Arms advertises a stainless-built DA/SA in .40S&W. I recall a favorable magazine review of it but have not fired one myself. About 20 oz as I remember.
Serious recommendations (from BTDT folks) cannot overlook the fact of a revolver leaving no cases at the scene. And being a revolver a defensive gun looks alot better in a courtroom than a black plastic movie gun... Opinion here based on experience.
Don't carry it unless you believe you will use it on another person; and a thinking person understands the fireworks begin after the shot. Any other compact DA revolvers out there in such a caliber?
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Thanks 30WCF,
I've only been in one civilian shooting & subsequent courtroom circus, so I have to defer to others with more experience.
But for anyone whose courtroom advice is limited to magazine articles and TV productions, I assure you that all evidence can & will be used against you. And everything an LEO states can only be used against you. Like how many shell casings were spewn all over the hacienda. Better logic for me, to have the weapon used and later dangled in front of jury members, to be as "friendly" as possible. If that is possible...
The courtroom circus to which I allude is at best, a vehicle for you to spend $500 per lawyer hour, or double that, even with a good outcome. Minimize your evidence, minimize your offensive projection aspects. If you believe that you can do that with a uber-deadly foreign-made military-grade black hi-cap pistol, go for it! I'm betting (again from experience) there will be at least one jury member who recoils and blinks when the prosecutor points it at them! Yup, standard tactic.
Sorry for the thread drift!
The OP was looking for recommendations for a woman, where I believe a woman is much more in need of experience-based advice than armchair cowboys. No offense meant to any forum member.!
I've only been in one civilian shooting & subsequent courtroom circus, so I have to defer to others with more experience.
But for anyone whose courtroom advice is limited to magazine articles and TV productions, I assure you that all evidence can & will be used against you. And everything an LEO states can only be used against you. Like how many shell casings were spewn all over the hacienda. Better logic for me, to have the weapon used and later dangled in front of jury members, to be as "friendly" as possible. If that is possible...
The courtroom circus to which I allude is at best, a vehicle for you to spend $500 per lawyer hour, or double that, even with a good outcome. Minimize your evidence, minimize your offensive projection aspects. If you believe that you can do that with a uber-deadly foreign-made military-grade black hi-cap pistol, go for it! I'm betting (again from experience) there will be at least one jury member who recoils and blinks when the prosecutor points it at them! Yup, standard tactic.
Sorry for the thread drift!
The OP was looking for recommendations for a woman, where I believe a woman is much more in need of experience-based advice than armchair cowboys. No offense meant to any forum member.!
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
I am on the side of the folks who say let her decide what fits her. PillHer likes her Springfield XD and SightHunter likes her Kahr. They both like the 9mm, but PillHer likes my G22 2nd gen in .40 for range time. I don't mind that they have their own preferences and want them to use something they are comfortable with and can shoot well. Fortunately, I live in Texas and it is not very common for a woman to go to trial here for using a firearm. Probably due to the trouble to find a jury that won't just acquit and tell the prosecutor to go jump off a cliff.
D. Brian Casady
Quid Llatine Dictum Sit, Altum Viditur.
Advanced is being able to do the basics while your leg is on fire---Bill Jeans
Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up---Robert Frost
Quid Llatine Dictum Sit, Altum Viditur.
Advanced is being able to do the basics while your leg is on fire---Bill Jeans
Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up---Robert Frost
Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
It's the spice of life....Sorry for the thread drift!
The Rotten Fruit Always Hits The Ground First
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Proud Life Member Of:
NRA
Second Amendment Foundation
Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms
DAV
Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
I agree with the DAO. The Glocks with a NY1 trigger spring might be a good idea, but even better a used third generation S&W DAO would provide a longer trigger pull.BlaineG wrote: And is asking the best way to go.....I have a 1911, a Glock, LCP, and a Springer XD-M.....all those could translate into a design for a .40.....I'd feel better for her to have a no muss, fuss DAO if she can remember not to shoot herself....
I'm so proud
AND, she invited me to go shooting Monday.....is life good, or what?
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Re: My Daughter Wants a .40
Blaine, have you checked out a Ruger P94 in 40SW. I have one and it has less recoil than my P95 in 9mm. Cabela's usually has them for $350 or so.
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!