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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
Hmm.. Don't they know that the powers that be decided a scout rifle could not be a semi-auto?
I'd love to have a scout rifle set up on a Remington pump rifle. Makes more sense to me than a bolt, especially since the scout rifle format is not intended to be a sniper rifle. I found two brand new Rem pump rifles at a Gander Mountain store once that had the marine nickel finish and were .308. Wish I woulda bought one. Be a perfect hog and bear gun.
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I love it Doc!
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
[quote= I found two brand new Rem pump rifles at a Gander Mountain store once that had the marine nickel finish and were .308. Wish I woulda bought one. Be a perfect hog and bear gun.[/quote]
With a Garand like that, I could get used to the Picatinny rail.
Would've like to seen a "760" pump like that.
With a Garand like that, I could get used to the Picatinny rail.
Would've like to seen a "760" pump like that.
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Col. Cooper is rolling in his grave....
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
That is not a scout rifle. That was, is and always will be a battle rifle. The picaninny rail doesn't change that one bit.
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
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Scout Rifle = lightweight. .
Garand = heavyweight. .
Garand = Scout Rifle = contra-indicated. .
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Scout Rifle = lightweight. .
Garand = heavyweight. .
Garand = Scout Rifle = contra-indicated. .
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
What did Jeff Cooper know? He was just a novice!
Well, Jeff was the rifleman of rifleman, that's for sure. Maybe he picked the boltgun over any other action as semi's did not have the accuracy or dependability back in the eighties like they do now. Wait a minute here Sixgun, .............................The Garand is a tank compared to the boltgun, so I'll stick with Jeff's original design.
In fact, there's an article in the new "Rifle" magazine about Jeff and his scout rifles.
But if I did need to pick a semi-auto, it would be an AR with the lighter weight and detachable mags.--------------6
Well, Jeff was the rifleman of rifleman, that's for sure. Maybe he picked the boltgun over any other action as semi's did not have the accuracy or dependability back in the eighties like they do now. Wait a minute here Sixgun, .............................The Garand is a tank compared to the boltgun, so I'll stick with Jeff's original design.
In fact, there's an article in the new "Rifle" magazine about Jeff and his scout rifles.
But if I did need to pick a semi-auto, it would be an AR with the lighter weight and detachable mags.--------------6
Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
Yer cudna' scout wi that!
Too heave'y!
It would be the first thing you'd drop when the going got tough!
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
a scout rifle with a 24" barrel ?
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Really? IMNSHO, a TRADITIONAL scout rifle is more like:
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I nominate this, a winning lottery ticket away from my side:
it's a Colt, what's not to like?
it's a 7.62, what's not to like?
it's a convertable, what's not to like?
if I understand the scout role, then this is my vote...
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it's a Colt, what's not to like?
it's a 7.62, what's not to like?
it's a convertable, what's not to like?
if I understand the scout role, then this is my vote...
... G
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
vancelw wrote:...Hmm.. Don't they know that the powers that be decided a scout rifle could not be a semi-auto? ...
No particular reason other than no available semi autos were within the weight and caliber parameters of the original idea. I dont think anything has changed in that regard that I've heard of yet.
I think people get too hung up on the "rules", in both critical and positive aspects. It was a concept worked out by Cooper and others ( There was a "scout conference" that went on over several years, that seems to be a surprise to some, and is contrary to their critisism of the idea, but no reason to confuse the issue with facts,...), and has some aspects that some may like, though not every aspect suits every shooter. A gun can be all you want it to be, no reason to be bothered that it isn't something else.
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
As stated, far too big/heavy. I like it! It's just not a scout rifle.
And regarding Remington pump rifles, you can put quick detach mounts on them in the normal location and leave the iron sights alone. Forward mounted scopes are a serious compromise - no need to do that with the Remington. I do like the Remington in carbine format and with a 1-4X vari scope though, or even an Aimpoint. Just as good as a lever gun really - maybe better.
And regarding Remington pump rifles, you can put quick detach mounts on them in the normal location and leave the iron sights alone. Forward mounted scopes are a serious compromise - no need to do that with the Remington. I do like the Remington in carbine format and with a 1-4X vari scope though, or even an Aimpoint. Just as good as a lever gun really - maybe better.
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Nath wrote:Yer cudna' scout wi that!
Too heave'y!
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
Since another version of a "traditional" scout has been posted. Here's mine.
I was going to post a shot of my Springfield Scout/Squad, but it seems to be gone from photobucket. Hmm.
I was going to post a shot of my Springfield Scout/Squad, but it seems to be gone from photobucket. Hmm.
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
This is a Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one is mine.
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
Jeff Cooper stated clearly that any action type could be a "Scout" rifle if it met the criteria.
He even opined that a Savage model '99 would be an ideal scout rifle.
He even opined that a Savage model '99 would be an ideal scout rifle.
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Yep... especially a C with an "extended" (10rd) mag...765x53 wrote:Jeff Cooper stated clearly that any action type could be a "Scout" rifle if it met the criteria.
He even opined that a Savage model '99 would be an ideal scout rifle.
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Yet, look what he carried for himself.... Levers and Autos: When then jam, not ifOld Ironsights wrote:Yep... especially a C with an "extended" (10rd) mag...765x53 wrote:Jeff Cooper stated clearly that any action type could be a "Scout" rifle if it met the criteria.
He even opined that a Savage model '99 would be an ideal scout rifle.
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
BlaineG , Your example is the best of the bunch.
My scout rifle is a Ruger #1 .270 with 22" barrel.
My scout rifle is a Ruger #1 .270 with 22" barrel.
Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
Scouts........some more, some less.
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Them's real nice.....OldWin wrote:Scouts........some more, some less.
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
A 30-30 works for a scout rifle for me light weight, if I was looking for a scout rifle in SA I would grab a ruger mini 30. danny
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Lots of interesting opinions and 'scout' options discussed. I was not under the impression that Cooper's definition mandated bolt-actions, but just that the contemporary firearms which met his reliability/weight requirements were of that type.
I would go for the Garand in a 'scout' format, personally, except I'd want two changes:
If I wanted something lighter and semiauto I'd go for an AR or a Mini-14, perhaps in 300 Blackout.
If I wanted something non-semi-auto and a levergun, I'd consider a 35 Remington, or perhaps even a 44 Mag, despite the 'range limitations'.
If I wanted something non-semi-auto and a bolt-gun, I'd take.....a short 308 like the Ruger Scout...
I would go for the Garand in a 'scout' format, personally, except I'd want two changes:
- a) a shorter barrel, like a 'tanker' Garand or a Springfield 'Squad Scout' rifle - just over 16"
b) a lighter-weight stock, probably not a 'folder' unless it was really sturdy.
If I wanted something lighter and semiauto I'd go for an AR or a Mini-14, perhaps in 300 Blackout.
If I wanted something non-semi-auto and a levergun, I'd consider a 35 Remington, or perhaps even a 44 Mag, despite the 'range limitations'.
If I wanted something non-semi-auto and a bolt-gun, I'd take.....a short 308 like the Ruger Scout...
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Malamute wrote:vancelw wrote:...Hmm.. Don't they know that the powers that be decided a scout rifle could not be a semi-auto? ...
No particular reason other than no available semi autos were within the weight and caliber parameters of the original idea. I dont think anything has changed in that regard that I've heard of yet.
I think people get too hung up on the "rules", in both critical and positive aspects. It was a concept worked out by Cooper and others ( There was a "scout conference" that went on over several years, that seems to be a surprise to some, and is contrary to their critisism of the idea, but no reason to confuse the issue with facts,...), and has some aspects that some may like, though not every aspect suits every shooter. A gun can be all you want it to be, no reason to be bothered that it isn't something else.
Exactly! There are only self imposed rules...except for the busy bodies (magazine writers who have pages to fill) who want to apply their rules to someone else.
As a scout rifle I would not want a lever with a tube magazine, nor a gas operated semi auto. To me a pump action is the easiest to keep on target. If you took all of Rugers Gunsite qualities and applied them to a Remington 760 or 7600, I'd be a buyer
Until then, my 10/22 is the best candidate I have on hand. Or my Just Right Carbine that takes 9mm Glock mags. They both fall short
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This is a Mossberg Tactical Levergun Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one AINT' MINE...no way, ever... :(BlaineG wrote:This is a Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one is mine. 8)
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That thing looks like a pipe wrench with a trigger...30wcf wrote:This is a Mossberg Tactical Levergun Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one AINT' MINE...no way, ever...
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Come now fellers, 9 lbs., 8 oz. too heavy fer ya? Mebbe you should use some bearers to tote your stuff. How many soldiers carried that "too heavy" rifle into action?
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Stopped at a gunshop in north/central Wisconsin last winter and ran into the first one of those I'd seen in person. Started guffawing and the counter person set me straight right there. Said it's just the ticket for folks looking for a youth deer gun and they sold 'em as fast as they could get 'em before deer season. That M4-type buttstock adjusts short for a length of pull that'll fit a kid and it can be adjusted longer as they grow and their arms get longer without having to swap out stocks or glue cut-off chunks back on or any of that.FWiedner wrote:That thing looks like a pipe wrench with a trigger...30wcf wrote:This is a Mossberg Tactical Levergun Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one AINT' MINE...no way, ever...
Huh, hadn't thought of it that way before. It's still ugly to my eyes, but I can see where there just may be some utility to it.
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I'm probably gonna end up regretting this...
Here's how light a real scout rifle is:
Light, short, handy. People that like those characteristics of classic lever action carbines should get the point of that part without any further explanation. Add in good sights, a sling that's useful for something other than a carrying strap without needing time to move hooks and lace into it and in a chambering that can reach far enough to get full benefit from the above...
Here's how light a real scout rifle is:
Light, short, handy. People that like those characteristics of classic lever action carbines should get the point of that part without any further explanation. Add in good sights, a sling that's useful for something other than a carrying strap without needing time to move hooks and lace into it and in a chambering that can reach far enough to get full benefit from the above...
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Few of them sold over here, I wondered myself back when.....
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
The traditional scout is the Lee Enfield No.5. Peep sight, 10 shots, short and handy, loaded with strippers, it only predated useable scopes but sure looks like the prototype scout concept.
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Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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Had a SS Mini-30. The Wolf ammo primers were too hard. About 40% wouldn't fire the 1st time. Tho 2nd time around they were 100% found out after I traded it for a Puma 45 there were fixes for it.BigSky56 wrote:A 30-30 works for a scout rifle for me light weight, if I was looking for a scout rifle in SA I would grab a ruger mini 30. danny
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I ain't scoutin for ya. you cross the magic line where the old indian trick white flag is at known distance and I'm bustin' ya in the chops. Don't trespass on my land is all I'm sayin!!!
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Gotta admit, though there's always a "good reason" to need another rifle or carbine, this is one of the first firearms I ever bought, and is about as good a "Scout Rifle" as I'd ever really need...
I had my 'YK' slippers in the photo to go along with the truly 'traditional' look...
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
I have two of the Ultimak's. One on my M1A Scout and one on an Inland M1 carbine. They are a quality unit. Nothing is lower or works better in my opinion.
I also have an XS Leverscout on a 94 trapper .44. It worked pretty well but is best used with a red dot on a 16" .44.
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Re: Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one.
Myself being a plain simple mountain/tree loving boy-----------------a scout gun for me is my tiny 4.0lb Sub2000 .40S&W(w/tiny green laser/open sights)folded up and stuffed in my "little" camo backpack while I be moseying on down the log road chewing on a sweet piece of birch bark.
Do love those M1 shooters though!
Do love those M1 shooters though!
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It's UGLY! The Garand is not.Grizz wrote:I nominate this, a winning lottery ticket away from my side:
it's a Colt, what's not to like?
it's a 7.62, what's not to like?
it's a convertable, what's not to like?
if I understand the scout role, then this is my vote...
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Ha...! Now there's a Little Brother for it . . .
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