When do we get a mans rimfire then?

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu May 09, 2013 12:07 pm

When are they going to bring out a real rimfire?

Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!

A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.

A mans rimie'

for real hunters

.

Nath

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Thu May 09, 2013 12:11 pm

I have a Marlin in .32 rimfire, just can't find any ammo!....

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Thu May 09, 2013 12:19 pm

I think there is a Canadian outfit that does make old rimfire ammo.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu May 09, 2013 12:25 pm

That would be a 25-20, or 32-20.....reloading would be cheaper than .22 mag, prolly....

This Ruger 77-357 interests me to no end.....

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:25 pm

I was thinking a .223 opened up to .25 would be a nice round. I talked to a gunshop owner once and he told me that hunters in Fla are the most overgunned hunters in the world. Look at how many people think a .30-30 isn't enough gun.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:38 pm

BlaineG wrote:That would be a 25-20, or 32-20.....reloading would be cheaper than .22 mag, prolly....

This Ruger 77-357 interests me to no end.....

Bet we never see one over 'ere!

I was thinking 1&1/8" long case and a heeled lead .25.

N.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:44 pm

BlaineG , Me too!
A friend has one in .44 mag. and it is a good shooter.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:51 pm

Mescalero wrote:I think there is a Canadian outfit that does make old rimfire ammo.

I think they went out of business 35 years ago.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:59 pm

Nath wrote:When are they going to bring out a real rimfire?

Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!

A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.

A mans rimie' for real hunters .

Nath

Nath, I completely agree. I'd love to see a .25 rimfire with a case length the same as .22 mag and shooting at least a 60 gr. bullet. And frankly, depending on performance it might even make a viable self defense choice in an 8 shot revolver.

That said, reloading for one of the alternatives probably destroys the idea from a cost perspective no?

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Thu May 09, 2013 2:03 pm

Nath, that's a good one

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu May 09, 2013 3:24 pm

olyinaz wrote:
Nath wrote:When are they going to bring out a real rimfire?

Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!

A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.

A mans rimie' for real hunters .

Nath
Nath, I completely agree. I'd love to see a .25 rimfire with a case length the same as .22 mag and shooting at least a 60 gr. bullet. And frankly, depending on performance it might even make a viable self defense choice in an 8 shot revolver.

That said, reloading for one of the alternatives probably destroys the idea from a cost perspective no?

Not every one wants to reload my ole' good friend and a rimfire has to be cheap to manufacture compared to c/f no?

I could see it being handy for self defence yes, easy to shoot too,,,,,just don't let Remington do the priming

N.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu May 09, 2013 3:52 pm

I'd like more "Men's Air Rifles" myself - stuff in the 44 Special class is out there, but still seems like it could use some improvements.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Thu May 09, 2013 3:59 pm

I have been trying some Federal 50 grain .22 Magnum in my Uberti 66 and I like 'em...

Nath, I think your idea has merit, a rimfire that near equals .32/20 performance would be nice.

tman · Post by **tman** » Thu May 09, 2013 4:02 pm

I'd like to see the .44 Henry RIMFIRE Flat brought back for 1860 colt conversions and 1858 Henry and 1866 Winchester rifles.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu May 09, 2013 4:06 pm

tman wrote:I'd like to see the .44 Henry RIMFIRE Flat brought back for 1860 colt conversions and 1858 Henry and 1866 Winchester rifles.

Yes certainly!

I am just glad it's not just me that thinks more is not better!

N

L_Kilkenny · Post by **L_Kilkenny** » Thu May 09, 2013 4:18 pm

Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu May 09, 2013 4:25 pm

L_Kilkenny wrote:Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.

Would you have a link to that read please?

N

BigSky56 · Post by **BigSky56** » Thu May 09, 2013 4:43 pm

Game keeper heres a site that carries 32,38 & 41 rimfire their in france. danny
http://www.hc-collection.com/Default.asp

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Thu May 09, 2013 5:01 pm

BigSky56 wrote:Game keeper heres a site that carries 32,38 & 41 rimfire their in france. danny
http://www.hc-collection.com/Default.asp

Wow! Thanks Danny, great link, may have to take a trip but sure to be illegal in the UK.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Thu May 09, 2013 5:09 pm

Nath wrote:
L_Kilkenny wrote:Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.
Would you have a link to that read please?

N

Nath I believe it was in the book "Sixguns" by Keith.

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Thu May 09, 2013 6:56 pm

The 22TCM

2800fps, from a pistol. A necked down 9mm, with a .223 bullet on top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbDepuKg1HI

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Thu May 09, 2013 7:04 pm

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu May 09, 2013 8:20 pm

Chuck 100 yd wrote:BlaineG , Me too!
A friend has one in .44 mag. and it is a good shooter.

I like my 77/44, though just like the levergun version (96/44) - it is a huge temptation to re-barrel in .45 Colt. No particularly intelligent or practical reason, just want to.

Would like to re-do the 77/357 Mag (if I ever got one) in 32-20, for that matter, but don't know if it would feed, etc. Might be easier to do a 223 bolt-gun. I just like 'mild to moderate' bolt actions using older pistol rounds.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu May 09, 2013 8:36 pm

I got some Spencer 56-50 rimfire ammo down in the dungeon. Big enough?

---------6

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:58 am

Remington fiddled with something similar but didn't adopt it. Not sure why they passed. I think that's .22 mag lower right.

L_Kilkenny · Post by **L_Kilkenny** » Fri May 10, 2013 7:08 am

Rusty wrote:
Nath wrote:
L_Kilkenny wrote:Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.
Would you have a link to that read please?

N

Nath I believe it was in the book "Sixguns" by Keith.

Plus 1.

As for why............. It's been covered before and some will never get it. Me? I'd rather be shooting and hunting then loading and if I can do that for only a modest increase in cost I will. As it is, the gap between reloading and buying factory centerfire stuff is so large to force me to do it. Narrow that considerably and I'll jump at it. The new WSM narrows it enough but like the OP, I'd rather get something with thump at the scarifice of range.

JB · Post by JB » Fri May 10, 2013 7:10 am

game keeper wrote:I have a Marlin in .32 rimfire, just can't find any ammo!....

Me too. That goodness for the extra 32 centerfire firing pin!

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri May 10, 2013 11:29 am

olyinaz wrote:Remington fiddled with something similar but didn't adopt it. Not sure why they passed. I think that's .22 mag lower right.

Thats the kiddie, any more details?

Why! Steve?

Because,,,,,, we can. Besides tell me please how many .250" 1&1/8" straight cased center fires cartridges are there again?

N.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:15 pm

Youse Guys teach me something every time I get on this board

I've never heard of this stuff:

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Fri May 10, 2013 4:53 pm

Don't forget about the 5mm Remington. It didn't make it either.

jb

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Fri May 10, 2013 5:22 pm

But it should have.
Remington would not support thier own product.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Fri May 10, 2013 6:06 pm

Mescalero wrote:But it should have.
Remington would not support thier own product.

Those Rats!

it sure sounded cool.

jb

Stan in SC · Post by **Stan in SC** » Fri May 10, 2013 6:24 pm

Observation #1-I owned a Ruger 77/44.BEAUTIFUL and lovely feeling gun. Stainless and synthetic. Couldn't get it to shoot to my satisfaction. Of course I have yet to find a .44 magnum rifle that will shoot with the accuracy I want. I have had Ruger carbines,Ruger 77/44,Handi rifle in standard and trapper lengths and Rossi single shot break top. The Rossi shot the best.I gave up on .44 magnum rifles for accuracyand went to a 45/70 Handi rifle and got what I was looking for.

Observation#2 - Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round. It will completely penetrate a 2" piece of wood(2X4 on edge) at 100 yards. Barely makes it out the other side but DOES go all the way thru.

YMMV,
Stan in SC

L_Kilkenny · Post by **L_Kilkenny** » Fri May 10, 2013 7:55 pm

Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round.

A combination of words I never thought I'd read.

J35 · Post by **J35** » Fri May 10, 2013 8:34 pm

Hey Nath

Can't help with the rim fire, I am kinda in the same frame of mind as Colorado Steve.

But the 25 Hornet would get you pretty close to a straight cased 25 cal cartridge, and close to one and a eighth inch in length.

--J

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri May 10, 2013 11:22 pm

Wish I had bought some of that 60gr subsonic back when Cabelas was selling it by the ammo can.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sat May 11, 2013 1:55 am

sore shoulder wrote:Wish I had bought some of that 60gr subsonic back when Cabelas was selling it by the ammo can.

I did.

L_Kilkenny wrote:
Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round.
A combination of words I never thought I'd read.

Won't stabilize in some guns, but I like it a lot. It's particularly useful in handguns.

Cool thing is that it uses a .22 Short case that is actually shorter than the heeled bullet stuffed in it.

rbertalotto · Post by **rbertalotto** » Sat May 11, 2013 2:10 am

The new 17 Winchester should be a 20........Nuff said!

The world didn't need another high velocity 17..........Once again, Winchester blew it (IMO)

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat May 11, 2013 3:03 am

J35nut wrote:Hey Nath

Can't help with the rim fire, I am kinda in the same frame of mind as Colorado Steve.

But the 25 Hornet would get you pretty close to a straight cased 25 cal cartridge, and close to one and a eighth inch in length.

--J

Oh yeah, that'd do

rbertalotto wrote:The new 17 Winchester should be a 20........Nuff said!

The world didn't need another high velocity 17..........Once again, Winchester blew it (IMO)

I agree!

N.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sat May 11, 2013 3:13 am

You guys are damming it, and it is not even here yet.i

BAGTIC · Post by **BAGTIC** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:30 pm

There are several strikes against the concept of larger more powerful rimfires.

Rimfires are limited to low pressures by their folded rim construction.

Rimfires are more subject to misfires than are centerfires because of the way the priming compound is applied inside the rim. If the is a gap in the compound there can be a misfire and because the priming in inside the case it is difficult to inspect for quality control.

As the case diameter increases the amount of priming material increases so it eventually becomes 'too much' in terms of costs and over ignition.

A better choice is a wildcat based on an existing case. .22 Hornet can be expanded up to .277 caliber. The .32 Magnum and .327 Federal are good up to .313. Either approach can easily produce energy and velocities desired.

Years ago when .32 Magnum was introduced I bought a revolver and had a single shot rifle rebored. It works fine. A .327 case would be even more versatile.

Another approach would be one of the .38 caliber handgun cartridges. I like a RB in a 38 Special/357 Magnum. More that enough power for small game vermin from a quiet shooting gun and a round ball (HTWW) doesn't waste much meat.

BAGTIC · Post by **BAGTIC** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:55 pm

olyinaz wrote:Remington fiddled with something similar but didn't adopt it. Not sure why they passed. I think that's .22 mag lower right.

The .267 was Reminton's answer t0 the .25 Savage. It was a high velocity loading differentiated enout to prevent its being used in older gun chambered for the .25 Stevens. What stopped it was WW2. Just as it was bing introduced war demands constriced both gun and ammo manufacturing for the duration and after the war demand for such guns was limited.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jAmkAv ... re&f=false

rbertalotto · Post by **rbertalotto** » Sat May 11, 2013 4:15 pm

Not daming it. It's probably a very nice cartridge. But it's redundant. A 20 caliber would have been something different. Better wind bucking and more transferable energy.

azzhandler · Post by **azzhandler** » Sat May 11, 2013 10:43 pm

I like my 5mm alot better then my 17hmr, I mostly just use it for around the barn yard, shooting critters that dont need to be around, groundhogs, coons skunks and stray cats the 5mm seems to thump them alot harder then the 17

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Sun May 12, 2013 2:18 am

When you look at the case used for the new .17 super mag, it sure looks to me like it would make a great 5mm or even .22 super mag. Look how much longer the overall cartridge length is vs. the .22 mag and .17 HMR:

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sun May 12, 2013 2:37 am

olyinaz wrote:When you look at the case used for the new .17 super mag, it sure looks to me like it would make a great 5mm or even .22 super mag. Look how much longer the overall cartridge length is vs. the .22 mag and .17 HMR:

Looks like it would go .250 to me! Proper rimfire

N.

mergus · Post by **mergus** » Sun May 12, 2013 9:33 am

I'll tell you what I'd like ot see in the way of a new rimfire....a .25 rimfire with a 60 grain SWC bullet in a case the same length as the .22 mag. Then I'd like to see NAA come out with a 5 shot mini revolver just big enough to handle it. To me, that would be a great carry gun.

Mergus

mikld · Post by **mikld** » Sun May 12, 2013 10:30 am

BlaineG wrote:That would be a 25-20, or 32-20.....reloading would be cheaper than .22 mag, prolly....

This Ruger 77-357 interests me to no end.....

How about one in .44 Magnum and reload with single balls (.432", 130 grains.) over a load of Bullseye or W231. I've shot some through my Ruger SBH and my 629. Great fun, quiet, and fairly accurate (>2" @ 20 yds).

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sun May 12, 2013 10:45 am

If I can get .360 ball, do you think they would bulge a 357 case much?

N.