bucket list

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:22 pm

something I would like to do before I can't:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELUU5_TP ... ata_player

don't expect to, but ya never know

what's a big deal on your list?

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:34 pm

I have a book with the original cavalrymans notes for grass and water for Crooks expedition into the Sierra Madre to capture the great one.
I would like to make that trip on horseback, like they did.
But it is Mexico, so it will never happen.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:46 pm

No, that doesn't look like FUN at all, nosiree, no way...

...if you believe me, I have a bridge to sell ya, too...!

Concho · Post by **Concho** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:36 pm

Well, I guess I've always been pretty much a realist. I've never had visions of grandeor.
Don't see myself being famous or anything, or being remembered for doing something
noteable.
I would like to hunt the Appalachian Mountains someday. I have never hunted outside
of Texas. I have never seen a black bear in the wild, let alone hunted one. So that is
my hope. I don't really have a "bucket list" so to speak. I'd like to visit Appalachia, talk
to some of the old-timers there, and hunt black bear.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:44 pm

AWESOME!!!!!!! I'll go do it with you!

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:52 pm

I'm in

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:24 pm

Mescalero wrote:I have a book with the original cavalrymans notes for grass and water for Crooks expedition into the Sierra Madre to capture the great one.
I would like to make that trip on horseback, like they did.
But it is Mexico, so it will never happen.

That would be a great trip. I don't know if I could even ride a horse any more, but I love horses anyway. Hope you get to do it.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:27 pm

Concho

Seems like a worthy and worthwhile thing to do. I hope you can get there and I hope it's better than your dream. It's a wonder of a drive but I haven't hiked any of it. Not much hiking left in my frame.

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:12 pm

NEVER happen but was always a dream of my dad and me to sail to French Polynesia and go exploring island hoping The Marquesas, and Tuamotus. One of our final dream boats was a Tom Colvin design "Gazelle" steel hull Chinese lug rigged Pinky. I still have the old charts we marked with the planned courses, still have the Gazelle plans too.

When I was a kid I dreamed of hunting the "Big Five" on the Dark Continent but now that desire has waned due to reality.
Would also like to visit the country of my birth Japan, haven't been back since '66 but I'm afraid I'd be disappointed seeing all the changes.
Fishing in Alaska both sea and freshwater always a dream too with a 22 rifle ptarmigan or grouse hunt thrown in for fun.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:55 pm

Ji,
I will not be able to go to the Sierra Madre, you probably will not be able to go to Polynesia.
But the dream HAS sustained us.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:17 pm

looks relaxing............til you try to land!

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:42 pm

Ji,

I knew a guy in Alaska who had an aluminum Gazelle. That's a great boat. Love the junk rig and my sailer will have a junk rig. Gonna put a single sail on the dory this year I hope. It's a little cramped tho. I'm dreaming about a 26-ish dory with a junk yawl rig. Maybe we can go thataway in company. I have family in Japan and would like to go see them. Island hopping sounds good to me.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:43 pm

Nice. I didn't really have a bucket list, but recently I acquired a desire to spend some time on a sailing yacht.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:45 pm

yeah water world is calling, calling

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:48 pm

Grizz wrote:yeah water world is calling, calling

I didn't realize how much I liked the ocean till I spent a week swimming in it every day. And I was captivated by the catamarans and sailboats going by.

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:05 am

Grizz wrote:Ji,

I knew a guy in Alaska who had an aluminum Gazelle. That's a great boat. Love the junk rig and my sailer will have a junk rig. Gonna put a single sail on the dory this year I hope. It's a little cramped tho. I'm dreaming about a 26-ish dory with a junk yawl rig. Maybe we can go thataway in company. I have family in Japan and would like to go see them. Island hopping sounds good to me.

I think Aluminum would be the better material especially as far as maintenance was concerned. I think my dad preferd steel one for cost, and two for ability to take more abuse should we hit a coral head. I just love the looks of the junk rig to besides the fact that they are so easy to sail. You thinking a Saint Pierre or Grand Banks dory?
Both me and my dad's favorite movie was Munity on the Bouty the Marlin Brando version.

piller · Post by **piller** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:15 am

Galvanized is on my bucket list.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:53 am

You thinking a Saint Pierre or Grand Banks dory?

Like a large banks dory but maybe crossed with some sharpie influence.

my basic standard is Culler's Cowhorn dory, which is almost an exact scale up of Alfred Johnson's Centennial, with a center cockpit and enclosed helm. kind of a seagoing suv camper.

CullerCowhornDory.jpg

the Culler boat is the size of the st pierre, but with less bottom rocker. Related to the Boston fishing dorys.

Benford26Dory.jpg

this is Benford's modification. Greatly widened stern and bottom. Looks much like the Dutch Hoogar, a leeboard boat.

center_cockpit.png

And this is my general idea of the setup, with the center covered by a doghouse so there is total shelter when wanted or needed. I don't know who made this drawing but I am indebted because it is a great illustration of the very thing I've imagined.

My rig of choice would be junk yawl, or perhaps ketch given the deck layout. With leeboards for coastal sailing and maybe a drop ballast keel, which is optional and might not even be necessary.

So Ji, what do you think?

Grizz

PS: One of my favorite books was the Bounty Trilogy. Read it when I was in 9th grade in PHX, of all places to dream of going to sea.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:03 am

sore shoulder wrote:
Grizz wrote:yeah water world is calling, calling
I didn't realize how much I liked the ocean till I spent a week swimming in it every day. And I was captivated by the catamarans and sailboats going by.

It gets in your blood. I still dream about it. Be careful, you can get tangled up with water world.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:19 am

While we're here gassin' about it, my cousin's (Retired USN Capt) doin it every Summer, off the New Jersey coast.

I told him I thought I saw him doing TV commercials after the Star Trek gig..

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Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:06 am

Grizz: Here's a similar aircraft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAGpZnFHQk0

And even better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_TneWGgBV4

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:37 am

Wow!
That thing just lifted off!

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:49 am

Grizz wrote:
sore shoulder wrote:
Grizz wrote:yeah water world is calling, calling
I didn't realize how much I liked the ocean till I spent a week swimming in it every day. And I was captivated by the catamarans and sailboats going by.
It gets in your blood. I still dream about it. Be careful, you can get tangled up with water world.

I'm going to finish putting the old Coleman canoe back together today and do some fishing this year on the lake that's only 20 minutes away. Had to make new parts for it after wrapping it around a rock on a river. That was only 13 years ago.

Apparently I'm not the only one who has done this. Mine looked almost exactly like this.

When looking around on forums everyone said don't waste your time, coleman doesnt sell the parts anymore and its too much work. I happened to notice chain link fence top poles were about the same diameter, and I had a bunch sitting around. Took me about 4 hours total to fab the parts. Just need to finish bolting it all back together.

I'm still looking at that sailing kayak thing you sent me, but I like that SUV sailing rowboat idea a lot.

Prob going to take the lazy way out and buy a small aluminum motor boat to fish out of.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:03 am

Bill, I've been watching the goat videos since they first came out. I went to Torry last year hoping to run into it but just paragliders and rc the day I was there.

You can get the plans for it here:

http://m-sandlin.info/

you can get all of Mike Sandlin's plans free. those guys are obsessed with take-apart aircraft for transportation. it works but I think I could live with a tralerable setup. they are flying from places you probably couldn't get a trailer to. red goat is a real sailplane and it's built with a couple of crescent wrenches and a hacksaw and drill motor. doesn't get much easier and it's a real honest aircraft.

I've often thought I'd like to tether that rig on the tide flats and fly it into the westerlies, in place like a kite. I think I could make myself a safe pilot that way. But it must be a breathtaking to launch off of the cliff in La Jolla, or some of the sites in the Sierras with an 8000 foot descent to Owens Valley.

If you build it I will crew for free rides....

I like the SG a lot but want a sailplane for the same amount of time to get airborne.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:04 am

Mescalero wrote:Wow!
That thing just lifted off!

it's amazing isn't it? it flys like a hang glider, but with 3-axis control.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:28 am

Grizz, I had forgotten that the Goat plans are free. If I build one, I'll let you fly her for sure!

By the way, here is his 25-mph Bloop 2 ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a88_dmD9 ... e=youtu.be

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:53 pm

Grizz wrote:
You thinking a Saint Pierre or Grand Banks dory?
Like a large banks dory but maybe crossed with some sharpie influence.

And this is my general idea of the setup, with the center covered by a doghouse so there is total shelter when wanted or needed. I don't know who made this drawing but I am indebted because it is a great illustration of the very thing I've imagined.

My rig of choice would be junk yawl, or perhaps ketch given the deck layout. With leeboards for coastal sailing and maybe a drop ballast keel, which is optional and might not even be necessary.

So Ji, what do you think?

Grizz

PS: One of my favorite books was the Bounty Trilogy. Read it when I was in 9th grade in PHX, of all places to dream of going to sea.

WOW I like it! To me the next best thing at least aesthetically to a Chinese Junk rig is a gaff rig ketch. I just can't like Marconi/Bermuda sails, they look like Christmas trees to me. That lug rigged mizzen looks cool too. If you build it as illustrated I could not complain. I was wondering about the keel and ballast for her. A steel plate swinging drop keel is what I usually see on sailing dories. My dad had a few study plains of sailing dories and I recall one had a relatively shallow solid full length fin keel with a cast lead shoe bolted on which my dad preferred. He wasn't a fan of leeboards or drop keels. I'm going to go look for those plans, hopefully my sisters didn't throw them out during our cleaning of the homestead post-passing 5 years ago.

Hey Griz if you already haven't read it I have something I think you might enjoy it's "A Voyage in a Dory- from Sitka to Tacoma by Oars, Sail, & Tow Rope" by R.N. DeArmond. The author did this back in 1931 when I believe he was 19 years old in a 16' dory, and wrote the book 66 years later, very interesting reading. If you haven't read it, and are interested PM me your address.
http://www.amazon.com/Voyage-Dory-Sitka ... B00BJAM210

I found these in my harddrive dory pictures library, first two are of an unidentified junk rigged dory (Swampscott?), and the second two of a 34' Benford Badger. Though you might like them.

Benford Badger 34

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:14 pm

PS. Grizz, Just found this picture of Junk Yawl dory which reminded me of your dream dory description.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:06 pm

Friends Call Me Ji wrote:PS. Grizz, Just found this picture of Junk Yawl dory which reminded me of your dream dory description.

So that can be rowed? Man I would really like to see more close up pics of that.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:16 pm

Ji tnx for the book offer. I can dl the kindle version, thanks for the link.

That large swampscott was around Port Townsend for some time and may be still. I have lots of Badger pictures too. I can't build one that big. I need something I can beach and run up rivers and sloughs and sit in the dew and slide up on the ice or haul up out of the shore break.

I prefer the Badger style over the gazelle actually, but I don't like the forward rails being chopped that way, I like the 26 footer because that volume is included in the hull. I guess you could say it is a mini-Badger.

That bottom picture looks good to me. Probably easy cruising and good seakeeping and drifting with a parachute. It's close to what I'd like to build. I think that bank dory end shapes don't scale up very well, you can see that in the overhangs that develop, out of place I think in a waterworld vessel, and I agree with Benford's mods to the shape. Not exactly a dory any longer, but a relative. Thanks for that last picture, I hadn't seen it.

Grizz

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:25 pm

Frank

Not rowed, but can be sculled with a yuloh. Josh Slocum sculled Spray, a boat that was many times heavier than this dory. Probably has some kind of engine installed.

Slocum built a junk rigged Cape Ann dory in south america and sailed it to Washington DC with his wife and kids on board after his sailing ship sank. The book is called Voyage of the Liberdade and is well worth reading.

Liberdade.gif

I could build this out of spruce and yellow cedar in the alaska woods but I would use a chain saw.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:31 pm

Funny, I googled junk dory and was reading the Wiki entry for Slocum before coming back to your last post on this thread. His circumnavigation in Splash looks like a fascinating story.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:51 pm

Here's a replica of Liberdade an Englishman built:

Slocum was the first man to solo circumnavigate in Spray. He did that after the voyage of the Liberdade. He was lost at sea after his solo history making voyage, possibly run down by a steamship.

Sailing Alone Around the World by Joshua Slocum is one of the great seafaring reads. It's a quality of prose that isn't common these days.

And one more for lovers of great sea stories and great prose is Gray Seas Under by Farley Mowat. It is almost without peer and worth several readings. Another true tale of mind boggling scope.

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:43 pm

Grizz wrote:Here's a replica of Liberdade an Englishman built:

Slocum was the first man to solo circumnavigate in Spray. He did that after the voyage of the Liberdade. He was lost at sea after his solo history making voyage, possibly run down by a steamship.

Sailing Alone Around the World by Joshua Slocum is one of the great seafaring reads. It's a quality of prose that isn't common these days.

And one more for lovers of great sea stories and great prose is Gray Seas Under by Farley Mowat. It is almost without peer and worth several readings. Another true tale of mind boggling scope.

WOW, that's the first I heard of the Liberdade replica, she looks quite impressive. I've seen several replicas of the Spray, there even was one built by a guy in the next town over of Kaneohe. He built on rented property right next to the boat harbor and slid her right into the bay. I must have been 10. My dad told me the whole story of the Spray and Joshua Slocum back then.

I figured that bottom one you might like. I believe a Brit built it in Oman back in '91 then sailed her back to the UK where she resides today the current owner in the process of restoring her.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:47 pm

see, we're not the last of the dory men, there are others, we're not alone

Here's the probabe sail rig for Raven, although I might go with a straight lug rig...

dory_junk_lug.jpg

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:48 pm

WOW, I just got a free kindle edition of "Voyage of the Liberdade" by Joshua Slocum on Amazon!
http://www.amazon.com/Voyage-of-the-Lib ... +liberdade

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:46 pm

I just got Sailing Around the World, and Voyage of the Liberdade for free on iBooks.

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:21 am

My phone is a 7 year old moron (not smart at all) so I just have Kindle for PC.

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:54 am

My wife (then fiance) for my birthday set me up with a flight aboard the B-17 Texas Raiders in the bombardier's seat (nothing between you and the world but half an inch of plexiglass).

As a WW2 buff, military history buff in general and a guy who's loved the old Fortress since I could read......I'd been on a dozen of them (including that one) on the ground, but never figured I'd be aboard for a flight.

That was 40 minutes too short, but I have a GoPro video of the entire flight from before engine start to after engines stopped (nonstop video) to remember it by, and a few hundred photos.

As someone who normally doesn't show much emotion or really ever get excited by just about anything, she described me that day as a hamster on crack.

She was a bit annoyed I showed more that day than when we found out we were having a son. I told her flying on a B-17 has been a 25+ year dream I never figured I'd get to do, having a son led me to suddenly think "oh God, don't let me screw this up!"

I'd love to hunt Africa or Alaska. One day I might. Friend (now on this board) is set for his second safari, and it's cheaper than people think.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:03 am

Grizz,
A chainsaw?
Would the keel be homogenous?
A grand undertaking.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:58 am

Mescalero wrote:Grizz,
A chainsaw?
Would the keel be homogenous?
A grand undertaking.

Well, I could do that. I have chainsaw milled lumber. Have the rest of the necessary tools. But I don't plan to do it that way. Unless there is no alternative. The keel in the true dory is the flat bottom made of edge fastened planks. It's a hyperthetical but it's do-able.

When I first got to alaska I camped near a guy who built his open fishing boat from bull pine that he cut and worked with no power tools of any kind. it's do-able.

There was a guy on kodiak island who built power dorys from the local spruce. They have a reputation of being a very tough boat. I think he had a power planer, that speeds things up a great deal.

There is a free online version of Gardner's The Dory Book that shows traditional dory construction and the various forms of dory boats in great detail.

The Slocums built Liberdade on the beach next to their sunken ship with simple hand tools, but they had access to willing cheap labor and good lumber they could salvage. I think you would enjoy the book, it's great prose and a good read. Voyage of the Liberdade

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:02 am

PS to Ji

The stern of Libedade reflects a mod that I mentioned, the stern overhang of the original Cape Ann is modified to a much smaller angle. Partly I suppose to facilitate and strengthen the rudder.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:45 am

Well, this thread has me all over the map. Now I have to get out my copy of Gardner. I always admired the St. Pierre dory. Oregon still has a commercial dory fleet that launches from shore at Cape Kiwanda.
http://www.pcdorymen.com/PhotoGallery.html

Mr. Murphy, one of my uncles flew Liberators in the South Pacific, another was a tailgunner in a B-17 until the day over Germany when the spent .50 BMG casings rolling around in his lap had his own blood on them. Flying in either of those aircraft is on my list, too.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:30 am

Bill

I'm a big fan of the Oregon Dorys and have designed an Alaska specific version. Don't know if I will ever build it.

Kudos to your flier family. They took obscene casualties and were essential to victory. Honor is due.

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:35 pm

Here's my Carolina Dory my dad and I built in his garage back in 1983., picture taken in Kaneohe Bay around 1988. I sold her when I moved to Maui in '96.

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:19 pm

Bill, flying in back (you take off in the radio compartment strapped in, but then get to walk around, waist, cockpit, etc) runs about $400ish, front seat (bombardier/navigator, 2 seats only) where you stay strapped in the entire time runs about $600ish. Probably varies by plane, this was the pricing on the Texas Raiders -17G I was in.

For a WW2 aircraft fan, there's nothing else quite like it. I've been on/in all sorts of aircraft, been directly under bombers lifting for a strike on Afghanistan pulling security, etc but sitting there while those big engines start and hearing that roar as you lift off the field is unlike anything else.

We had a WW2 bombardier on board with his sons, it was his 88th birthday, and the first time he'd ever spoken to his family about the war (ever....) was the night before. I told him if I hadn't found out 10 minutes before liftoff, and the ticket hadn't been a gift from my significant other (i.e, i'd paid it myself) I would have swapped spots with him right there. He'd only flown one mission over Germany before they suspended strategic bombing. I told him a lot of guys didn't come back from their first.... and he'd earned it. (when his son said he couldn't allow me to do that).

He rode in back and still had a ball. It was humbling having a member of the 8th AF from 1945 thank me (US Air Forces in Europe, 2005-2008) for MY service. If you want, i'll start a thread and throw some pics in.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:28 pm

MrMurphy

You are on topic. You are welcome to continue here, since it is certainly bucket-list type stuff, since this started as an aviation thread, and since thread drift is always welcome when I start 'em.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:29 pm

Ji,

I like the Carolina dorys too. They look comfortable, tough, and able to me.

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:32 am

Thanks Grizz, She's like a Grand Banks with a wide stern, I wish I kept her in hindsight.

If talking aircraft I want to fly in a DC-3/C-47, always liked the Goony Bird but never got to fly in one.
Wouldn't mind flying a Dehaviland Beaver with floats to some remote lake for a week of fishing and grouse hunting in Alaska or Canada.
Something about the sound of a radial engine gives me goose bumps the good kind.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:06 am

JI,
You and your dad built that?
That is some serious talent, getting hardwood to bend like that is no small feat.