Resident song dog

[olyinaz]

This guy visits the back portion of our property every evening. And NO, bagging him is not allowed. My wife would kill me and mount my skin up right next to his.

[Mescalero]

Tell your wife mescalero says " thank you ".

[3leggedturtle]

How far back does your yard go? Can you shoot out your back door. The yote looks like she is expecting to be served

[jeepnik]

Yea, they're okay at a distance. But, when they kill one of your critters, or has happened out here children, they just loose some of their appeal. Song dog = dead dog.

[2ndovc]

We have a pair hanging around. They've been getting a bit too close lately. We have
four dogs, a Great Dane, Black Lab and two Terriers a Rat and a Jack Russell.
I don't have any worries about them when they are in the yard together but my Best little
buddy is only nine pounds.

I've been sitting at the dining room table with my Savage "mini Sniper Rifle"
at dawn and dusk watching out the windows for them to show again.
Mag is loaded with Aguila SSS rounds and a shot to the head or neck will
solve he problem.

I had a perfect shot lined up on my way to work @ two weeks ago with my Sig .380
when a city PO turned down our street. Rats!!

jb

[FWiedner]

I love to sit on my property down in the Chisos and listen to the coyotes sing when the moon is high. It really is a lovely chorus.

I don't mind hearing them, but If I see one where I can get a shot, I kill it, and I'd advise anyone to do the same.

They are interesting and somewhat elegant creatures in their way, but don't let their dog-like appearance and brazen-ness at an opportunity for a free meal trip you into some silly Disney fantasy that they are either friendly or harmless.

They are predators. They will kill your pets and your livestock, and will not hesitate to attack a human, especially a child, if they think they have the advantage.

[Batman1939]

We've had quite a few around here this winter/spring. I enjoy listening to their howls and watching them hunt mice in the field in front of my house. I don't enjoy when they set the dogs to barking in the middle of the night though. I know that they may kill the occasional larger animal, but for the most part they do less harm to wildlife than all the human activity that is going on. I AM a hunter so don't take this as an "anti" vote.

[Chuck 100 yd]

S.O.S. = Shoot on sight !

[jeepnik]

I'm seeing some definite differences on how they should be dealt with in this thread. I suppose it has to do with ones own experience. But, I wonder how fast the, more or less, live and let live group would change to, as was so elegantly put, the S.O.S side of the fence once they had suffered from their predation?

[3leggedturtle]

When I would go to Malaquite Beach by Corpus Christi, the people would want to kill all the yotes when they lost a dog or cat in the dunes. Felt bad for them, but you are told don't let your pets out of your sight or unattended.
Read an article in Outdoor a few years back about a gent that goes and culls deer in cities/populated urban areas, He said his customers were mostly vegetarians that hired him to shoot deer, because the deer were eating their gardens up. So much for the Live and Let live yayhoos.

[Mescalero]

If they are engaged in predation, by all means take them.
My reverance for them comes from a different source.
I do NOT own stock.

[olyinaz]

Tell your wife mescalero says " thank you ".

If they are engaged in predation, by all means take them. My reverance for them comes from a different source. I do NOT own stock.

Ditto.

[olyinaz]

Yea, they're okay at a distance. But, when they kill one of your critters, or has happened out here children, they just loose some of their appeal. Song dog = dead dog.

Where's "out here"? I don't think anyone deals with coyotes more than we do in Tucson. BOTH kinds.

[olyinaz]

I love to sit on my property down in the Chisos and listen to the coyotes sing when the moon is high. It really is a lovely chorus.

I don't mind hearing them, but If I see one where I can get a shot, I kill it, and I'd advise anyone to do the same.

They are interesting and somewhat elegant creatures in their way, but don't let their dog-like appearance and brazen-ness at an opportunity for a free meal trip you into some silly Disney fantasy that they are either friendly or harmless.

They are predators. They will kill your pets and your livestock, and will not hesitate to attack a human, especially a child, if they think they have the advantage.

I guess I don't understand why you think that this would be news to anyone on this forum? This isn't Spacebook or AOHell. We all know what coyotes are and what they do/will do/would do/could do etc.

I love the sound of the packs just outside my walled off yard every night. EVERY night. Not sometimes or when the moon is in some phase or in a story book fantasy. They're a beautiful part of God's creation and I live with these things not a stone's throw away from me and my family and our pets every single day. Javelinas and bobcats too, and we've lost pets to them over the years. It's Arizona, I wouldn't have it any other way, and I bet my Arizona brothers on the forum agree!



Edit: I have no problem with those who shoot them on sight because there are plenty to go around and the population needs controlling anyhow. This one is off limits to me and that's just how it is. "There are many coyotes, but this one is mine."

[Mac in Mo]

You have some beautiful scenery as a backdrop to your home.


Kevin


PS Shoot on sight here too, in season of course. That said, I do love to sit around the fire at my place in the woods and listen to them sing. Much better than TV.

[jeepnik]

Yea, they're okay at a distance. But, when they kill one of your critters, or has happened out here children, they just loose some of their appeal. Song dog = dead dog.

Where's "out here"? I don't think anyone deals with coyotes more than we do in Tucson. BOTH kinds.

Los Angeles county. A few years back one killed a young girl it snatched from her yard. Sad yes, but the really terrible part was her older brother had been attacked in the same yard a few years earlier. The greenies prevented the trapping (even with live traps for relocation) much less shooting or poisoning. Then again, it wasn't their kids.

Oh, and don't say it must be some recently built up area. That area of the valley had been populated since before WWII. It was simply that the yotes were hunted, so they had nothing to lower their numbers, nor did they fear humans. Their fine if they stay away from populated areas and they can kill all the critters they find. But, when they start encroaching on human dwellings, they gotta go.

By the way, several have now shown up and are running the canyon behind my place. This area has been built up since the 1800's. They have simply expanded their range into a populated area. They are killing pets. And if they aren't dealt with, they will sooner or later attack a person. Those of you who think they are good to have living near by, feel free to offer up your pets or children as sacrifices so that those of us who know what they can and will do won't loose ours.

[FWiedner]

I guess I don't understand why you think that this would be news to anyone on this forum? This isn't Spacebook or AOHell. We all know what coyotes are and what they do/will do/would do/could do etc.

I love the sound of the packs just outside my walled off yard every night. EVERY night. Not sometimes or when the moon is in some phase or in a story book fantasy. They're a beautiful part of God's creation and I live with these things not a stone's throw away from me and my family and our pets every single day. Javelinas and bobcats too, and we've lost pets to them over the years. It's Arizona, I wouldn't have it any other way, and I bet my Arizona brothers on the forum agree!

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Edit: I have no problem with those who shoot them on sight because there are plenty to go around and the population needs controlling anyhow. This one is off limits to me and that's just how it is. "There are many coyotes, but this one is mine."

I acknowleged my appreciation of the species and then added that it wouldn't stop me from doing what needs to to be done, when it needs to be done, and I explained why.

I've lived where the coyote population is a problem and something was done about it.

I guess I don't understand why you'd be snotty because I participated in the conversation, shared my experience, and an opinion on the subject.

[olyinaz]

I guess I don't understand why you think that this would be news to anyone on this forum? This isn't Spacebook or AOHell. We all know what coyotes are and what they do/will do/would do/could do etc.

I love the sound of the packs just outside my walled off yard every night. EVERY night. Not sometimes or when the moon is in some phase or in a story book fantasy. They're a beautiful part of God's creation and I live with these things not a stone's throw away from me and my family and our pets every single day. Javelinas and bobcats too, and we've lost pets to them over the years. It's Arizona, I wouldn't have it any other way, and I bet my Arizona brothers on the forum agree!

Edit: I have no problem with those who shoot them on sight because there are plenty to go around and the population needs controlling anyhow. This one is off limits to me and that's just how it is. "There are many coyotes, but this one is mine."

I acknowleged my appreciation of the species and then added that it wouldn't stop me from doing what needs to to be done, when it needs to be done, and I explained why.

I've lived where the coyote population is a problem and something was done about it.

I guess I don't understand why you'd be snotty because I participated in the conversation, shared my experience, and an opinion on the subject.

Because you presume to lecture. And the other fellow.

Tellin' us all "how it really is" regarding coyotes...give me a friggen break.

[olyinaz]

Yea, they're okay at a distance. But, when they kill one of your critters, or has happened out here children, they just loose some of their appeal. Song dog = dead dog.

Where's "out here"? I don't think anyone deals with coyotes more than we do in Tucson. BOTH kinds.

Los Angeles county. A few years back one killed a young girl it snatched from her yard. Sad yes, but the really terrible part was her older brother had been attacked in the same yard a few years earlier. The greenies prevented the trapping (even with live traps for relocation) much less shooting or poisoning. Then again, it wasn't their kids.

Oh, and don't say it must be some recently built up area. That area of the valley had been populated since before WWII. It was simply that the yotes were hunted, so they had nothing to lower their numbers, nor did they fear humans. Their fine if they stay away from populated areas and they can kill all the critters they find. But, when they start encroaching on human dwellings, they gotta go.

Please don't presume to know what I would or would not say because you don't and this isn't a Greenpeace forum. Everyone on this forum "gets it". Yes, the greenies have jacked it all up over there - NOT MY PROBLEM in AZ...yet. (The Californication continues however. A few decades from now AZ will be just as screwed up as Kali is now, but by then The Land of Fruits and Nuts will have moved on to who knows where...)

We have zero stray cats and dogs in Tucson and they keep the rodents (which we DO have too many of) somewhat at bay so every Tucsonan I know WANTS to have a some coyotes roaming the surrounding territories. They simply need to managed AND WE DO.

By the way, several have now shown up and are running the canyon behind my place. This area has been built up since the 1800's. They have simply expanded their range into a populated area. They are killing pets. And if they aren't dealt with, they will sooner or later attack a person. Those of you who think they are good to have living near by, feel free to offer up your pets or children as sacrifices so that those of us who know what they can and will do won't loose ours.

I'd wager they're simply back - not "expanding their range" - because the geniuses ruining California are no longer dealing with them effectively. But whatever the case may be get off the high horse because WE deal with them effectively in Aridzona and in any case no one here needs to be spoken down to as if you're lecturing a bunch of Democrat women on Facebook. If it's all screwed up where you live and that makes you angry please don't whip out your broad brush and allow your ire to spill onto anyone (especially ME) here because I'm not a daggum California liberal greenie! Nor is anyone else here.

"Offer up your pets or children"? UFB. What a load of ¢rap.

[FWiedner]

Because you presume to lecture. And the other fellow.

Tellin' us all "how it really is" regarding coyotes...give me a friggen break.

So what you're really saying is that is that my characterization of coyotes is false, and that I can't possibly know anything about them because I don't live in Arizona.

[gamekeeper]

You have some beautiful scenery as a backdrop to your home.

That's for sure......

[olyinaz]

Because you presume to lecture. And the other fellow.

Tellin' us all "how it really is" regarding coyotes...give me a friggen break.

So what you're really saying is that is that my characterization of coyotes is false, and that I can't possibly know anything about them because I don't live in Arizona.

No, I think it's pretty clear that what I'm saying is no one here needed you telling them how it is - least of all those of us in AZ who have lived with them for years. I think some others would be more colorful with their feedback, but I'll delete some commentary and leave it at that. Out.

[olyinaz]

You have some beautiful scenery as a backdrop to your home.

That's for sure......

Thank you sir! That's why we bought the place. God willing we'll keep it...but one never knows given the Obamination occurring over here...

[Streetstar]

[They're a beautiful part of God's creation and I live with these things not a stone's throw away from me and my family and our pets every single day. Javelinas and bobcats too, and we've lost pets to them over the years. --------

Edit: I have no problem with those who shoot them on sight because there are plenty to go around and the population needs controlling anyhow. This one is off limits to me and that's just how it is. "There are many coyotes, but this one is mine."

I agree ---

[wilko]

they sure are pretty....

All predators get a pass as long as they leave my cats alone

[Malamute]

I've lived around them the majority of my life, including a lot of time spent out in the hills, sleeping on the ground. I used to shoot all I saw, now, I leave them alone unless they, (like any other critter) caused me direct issue. I like hearing them and seeing them, but have no problem shooting them if they cause trouble. I don't have much sympathy for the idea that they should all be shot on sight. Make of it what you choose.

I don't agree that they are all waiting for any opportunity to pounce on anyone that's unaware. I think thats as much fantasy as the Disneyesque ideas. Some may be more aggresive or opportunitstic than the average one raised in the hills, but virtually all I've seen have had little desire to be anywhere near me. The city raised ones are probably used to people, which isn't the same thing as waiting to pounce on anyone they can. Again, if they cause trouble, whack-em, if not, I don't have anything against them.

[FWiedner]

Removed the hunt photo

[Mescalero]

That is obscene!

[FWiedner]

That is obscene!

Sorry. Didn't mean to offend.

I didn't take the photo. It's just rather more representative of my experinence with the animals versus the live and let live.

There was an over population problem and the animals became destructive. Coyotes and feral dogs.

Something had to be done and the end result was much as pictured. Several times.

[Mescalero]

I know it has to be done.
Just don't care to look at the aftermath.

[44-40 Willy]

The only good 'yote is a dead 'yote. I take the same attitude with anything else that has been known to get the idea that people are good to snack on.

[Mescalero]

Are there a lot of coyotes in West Tennesee?

[vonfatman]

Great photo!!! Great colors.

I used to whack 'em when deer hunting...but the Conservation folks here in MO have studied their stomachs and found that: 4% of their diet is feathered (we like our native birds). Over 50% of their diets are feral/free-ranging cats. The balance is mostly mice, rats, voles, rabbits and the like.

Like I said, we LIKE our native birds....free-roaming cats are a huge problem here (actually all across the US) and are slaughtering our native birds in droves.

So....

When we found out about the Yote's diet....we started giving the local Song-dogs a free pass through our farm. We are aware that they are sly stinkers that will take a pet from time-to-time...but their value as a predator far outweighs (IMHO) their negatives. Besides, my wife and I love to listen to them sing.


I'm hoping these local coyotes munch on every free-ranging cat in the area.

Bob

[Mescalero]

I love REAL science............ a candle in the dark.
Recommended reading...............
" The Demon Haunted World "
" Science " as a candle in the dark.
If I had anything to say about it. you would not graduate from the high school untill you had read and understood this book.
Author Carl Sagan

[olyinaz]

I'm hoping these local coyotes munch on every free-ranging cat in the area. Bob

There are NO stray cats around where I live, but we do have wild quail all over the place.

[Mescalero]

The Force will moderate.

[Griff]

I enjoy their songs. But, I prefer my pastures free from predators.

[Mescalero]

Coming from a stockman, that is understandable.