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Found this while researching compact 1911s... :lol:
After some years now of reading internet bulletin boards, I think I’ve got the pros and cons of possible bad times choices figured out. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the following is my analysis based upon the wisdom of numerous gun board gurus (you know them, they’re always the first ones to tell you a particular model gun is “junk” and enlighten you as to why they have made the only logical purchases)…

Glock:
Butt-ugly plastic shooting appliance with the ergonomics of a caulking gun. Five-pound trigger with no external safety makes it ill suited for its target market (cops who shoot a hundred rounds a year for qualification). Favored by gangbangers because the product name is short and rhymes with other short, rap-friendly words.

Beretta 92F/M9:
Clunky and overweight rip-off of a clunky and overweight German design from the 1930s. Shear-happy locking block, ergonomics that are only suited for linebackers, barely adequate sights that are partially non-replaceable, and low capacity for its size. Favored by Eighties action movie fanatics and John Woo freaks.

1911:
Overweight and overly complex piece of late 19th century technology. Low capacity, useless sights in stock form, and a field-stripping procedure that requires three hands. Favored by people who are at the cutting edge of handgun technology and combat shooting…of the 1960s.

H&K P7:
Wildly overpriced, heavy for its size, low capacity in most iterations, and blessed with a finish that rusts if you give the gun a moist glance. Gas tube has a tendency to roast the trigger finger after a box or two of ammo at the range. Favored by gun snobs who think that paying twice as much for half the rounds means four times the fighting skill.

SIG Sauer:
Top-heavy bricks with the rust resistance of an untreated iron nail at the bottom of a bucket of saltwater. Ergonomically sound, if you have size XXL mitts. Some minor parts made in Germany, so the manufacturer can charge 75% Teutonic Gnome Magic premium. Favored by Jack Bauer fans and wannabe Sky Marshals/Secret Service agents.

S&W Revolvers:
Archaic hand weapons from a bygone era, the missing link between flintlocks and autoloaders. Low capacity, and reloading requires a lunch break. Heavy for their capacity, unless you’re talking about airweight snubbies, which hurt as much on the giving end as they do on the receiving end. Rare stoppages, but few malfunctions that don’t require gunsmith services, which are hard to come by in a gunfight. Favored by crusty old fanny burbs who just now got around to trusting newfangled smokeless powder, and Dirty Harry fans with unrealistic ideas about the power of Magnum rounds vs. engine blocks.

Browning HP:
Fragile frame designed around a popgun round. Near-useless safety in stock form that’s only suitable for the thumbs of elementary schoolers. Strangest and most circuitous way to trip a sear ever put into a handgun. Favored by wannabe SAS commandos, wannabe mercenaries, and Anglophiles who think that hammer-down, chamber-empty carry is the most appropriate way to carry a defensive sidearm.

And now, YOUR CALIBER SUCKS TOO!!!
9mm Luger:
European popgun round that’s only popular because the ammo is cheap for a centerfire cartridge. Cheap ammo is a good thing for 9mm aficionados, because anything bigger and more dangerous than a cranky raccoon will likely require multiple well-placed hits. Wildly popular all over the world, mostly in countries where people don’t carry guns, and cops don’t have to actually shoot people with theirs.

.45ACP:
Chunky low-pressure cartridge that hogs magazine space and requires a low-capacity design (if the gun needs to fit human hands) or a grip with the circumference of a two-liter soda bottle (if the gun needs to hold more than seven rounds). Disturbingly prone to bullet setback, expensive to reload, fits only into big and clunky guns, and a recoil that has an inversely proportionate relationship with muzzle energy.

.40S&W:
Neutered compromise version of a compromise cartridge. Even more setback-happy than the .45ACP, and setbacks are much more dangerous because of higher pressure and smaller case volume. Manages to sacrifice both the capacity of the 9mm and the bullet diameter of the .45. Twice the recoil of the 9mm for 10% more muzzle energy.

.357SIG:
Highly overpriced boutique round that does the .40S&W one worse: it manages to share the capacity penalty of the .40 while retaining the small bullet diameter of the 9mm. Noisy, sharp recoil, and 100% cost penalty for ballistics that can be matched by a good 9mm +P+ load. Penetrates like the dickens, which means that the Air Marshals just had to adopt it…only to load their guns with frangible bullets to make sure they don’t penetrate like the dickens.

.38 Special:
Legacy design with a case length that’s 75% longer than necessary for the mediocre ballistics of the round due to its blackpowder heritage. On the plus side, the case length makes it easy to handle when reloading the gun. This is a good thing because anyone using their .38 in self-defense against a 250-pound attacker hopped up on crack will need to empty the gun multiple times.

.32ACP:
Inadequate for anything more thick-skinned than Northeastern squirrels or inbred Austrian archdukes. Semi-rimmed cartridge that is rimlock-happy in modern lightweight autoloaders. Doesn’t go fast enough to expand a hollowpoint bullet, and it wouldn’t matter even if it did, because the bullet would only expand from tiny to small-ish.

.44 Magnum:
Overpowered round that generates manageable recoil and muzzle blast…if you’re a 300-pound linebacker with wrists like steel girders. Often loaded to “Lite” levels that turn it into a noisy .44 Special while retaining the ego-preserving Magnum headstamp. Considered the “most powerful handgun cartridge in the world” by people whose gun knowledge is either stuck in 1960, or who get their expertise in ballistics from Dirty Harry movies.

.50 Desert Eagle:
The Magnum of the new century. Realizing Hollywood couldn’t escape their Magnum fetishes, they had a handgun that fits the same stopping power quota of .44 Magnum and all of its filthy drawbacks. Popular amongst steroid filled movie actors who needs big guns to compensate for the steroid struck testicles. Comes in a baby variant for junior.

10mm Auto:
Super-high pressure cartridge that beats up gun and shooter alike. Very brisk recoil in anything other than all-steel S&W boat anchors, with a shot recovery that’s measured in geological epochs for most handgun platforms. Often underloaded to wimpy levels (see “.40 S&W”), which then gives it 9mm ballistics while requiring .45ACP magazine real estate.

.380ACP/9mm Kurz:
Designed by people who thought the 9mm Luger was a bit too brisk and snappy, which is pretty much all that needs to be said here. Great round if you expect to only ever be attacked by people less than seven inches thick from front to back.

.357 Magnum:
Lots of recoil, muzzle blast, and noise to drive a 9mm bullet to reckless speeds in an attempt to make up for its low mass and diameter. Explosive fragmentation and insufficient penetration with light bullets; excessive penetration and insufficient expansion with heavy ones. Still makes only 9mm holes in the target.

5.7×28mm:
Ingenious way to make a centerfire .22 Magnum and then charge quadruple price for the same ballistics. Awesome chambering for a police weapon…if you’re the park ranger in charge of the chipmunk exhibit at the zoo, and you want to make sure you can take one down if it turns rabid on you.

.25ACP:
Direct violation of the maxim “Never do an enemy a minor injury”. Designed by folks who wanted to retain the bullet diameter of the .22 rimfire round, but take a bit of the excessive lethality out of it. Favored by people who don’t feel comfortable carrying anything more dangerous than the neighbor kid’s rusty Red Ryder pellet gun."
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After reading that I may go back in time & carry my sling shot

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Yeup, I was thinking, a rock.
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Looks like about the only things not listed is the 7.62 Nagant, 7.62 Tokarev and .22 rimfire.

Good to know...

Now I got another reason to get a KGB Surplus suppressed Nagant... :twisted:
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I note that the 44 Spl and 45 Colt are apparently still OK.
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I swung from laughing to incensed several times. Very funny. :lol:
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awp101 wrote: 9mm Luger:
European popgun round that’s only popular because the ammo is cheap for a centerfire cartridge. Cheap ammo is a good thing for 9mm aficionados, because anything bigger and more dangerous than a cranky raccoon will likely require multiple well-placed hits. Wildly popular all over the world, mostly in countries where people don’t carry guns, and cops don’t have to actually shoot people with theirs.

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How come they left out the comment about this being the prefferred round of the dark skinned urban element that can't seem to hold the gun in the correct "vertical" position when they fire ?
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Old Savage wrote:I note that the 44 Spl and 45 Colt are apparently still OK.
Thats because clasics like those can not be disputed :D
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Old Savage wrote:I note that the 44 Spl and 45 Colt are apparently still OK.
Point...
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After reading that I don't feel so bad about not being allowed to have a handgun.. :shock:
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The .41 Magnum seems to be ok. Too bad the Author missed the .480 and the .327, as I could sure use some insight as to what is wrong with those two rounds.
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game keeper wrote:After reading that I don't feel so bad about not being allowed to have a handgun.. :shock:
Get a Nagant.... or a Tokarev.

Both are totally Euro... :wink:
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Thank goodness I only have Rugers...Just picked up my brand new SR45.

44WCF must be ok...
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What; my Beloved Ruger P95 didn't garner any comments, negative or otherwise. :evil:
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Old Ironsights wrote:
game keeper wrote:After reading that I don't feel so bad about not being allowed to have a handgun.. :shock:
Get a Nagant.... or a Tokarev.

Both are totally Euro... :wink:
I can't even legally have a British made Webley .455.... :cry:
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Guess my cz-75 is safe :? :?:
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I wish my dad had kept his 8mm Nambu! :lol:

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All I can say is that I find the author's logic flawed. While I will acknowledge that the .22LR is a dandy little cartridge and most systems it's chambered in are also fairly dandy, and it actually has a couple of uses... really?

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game keeper wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:
game keeper wrote:After reading that I don't feel so bad about not being allowed to have a handgun.. :shock:
Get a Nagant.... or a Tokarev.

Both are totally Euro... :wink:
I can't even legally have a British made Webley .455.... :cry:
Obviously "mayor" Doomberg must have Parlimentary Parentage... :mad:
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Somebody's been reading too many gun rags......

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Wow! And I thought the 1911 was a simple design. Well, I guess I'm stuck with an overly-complicated, low capacity, antique that shoots a clunky cartridge that hogs magazine space.... :(

Man, I thought I was shooting a classic,simple design handgun that fired an effective, accurate cartridge. Ya never know...
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I took me 5 times to learn how to breakdown a 1911. :? :( 1st time by the seller. 2nd time by a friend, last 3 times doing it with a destruction manual open to follow each move. Cant believe it took me so long to learn it. My next move is to give my 22/445 MKIII a thorough cleaning and stoning job, and get rid of the safety disconnect.
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The man is an idiot!
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3leggedturtle wrote:I took me 5 times to learn how to breakdown a 1911. :? :( 1st time by the seller. 2nd time by a friend, last 3 times doing it with a destruction manual open to follow each move. Cant believe it took me so long to learn it. My next move is to give my 22/445 MKIII a thorough cleaning and stoning job, and get rid of the safety disconnect.
If it took you that long to learn a 1911, it will take you a week of Sundays to figure out a Ruger MK-X...

Simple enough once you learn it, but a PITB to learn. (Most guns I can disassemble without a manual... not a Ruger though... :? )
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3leggedturtle wrote:I took me 5 times to learn how to breakdown a 1911. :? :( 1st time by the seller. 2nd time by a friend, last 3 times doing it with a destruction manual open to follow each move. Cant believe it took me so long to learn it. My next move is to give my 22/445 MKIII a thorough cleaning and stoning job, and get rid of the safety disconnect.
If it took you that long to learn a 1911, it will take you a week of Sundays to figure out a Ruger MK-X...
Simple enough once you learn it, but a PITB to learn. (Most guns I can disassemble without a manual... not a Ruger though... :? )
OI, you just push in the the pin latch, pull the cylinder pin, open the loading gate, and pop the cylinder out... :P :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Griff wrote:
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3leggedturtle wrote:I took me 5 times to learn how to breakdown a 1911. :? :( 1st time by the seller. 2nd time by a friend, last 3 times doing it with a destruction manual open to follow each move. Cant believe it took me so long to learn it. My next move is to give my 22/445 MKIII a thorough cleaning and stoning job, and get rid of the safety disconnect.
If it took you that long to learn a 1911, it will take you a week of Sundays to figure out a Ruger MK-X...
Simple enough once you learn it, but a PITB to learn. (Most guns I can disassemble without a manual... not a Ruger though... :? )
OI, you just push in the the pin latch, pull the cylinder pin, open the loading gate, and pop the cylinder out... :P :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well if I follow this logic, guess I have to carry my 500 S & W. Wasn't mention so must be ok! :lol:
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Old Savage wrote:I note that the 44 Spl and 45 Colt are apparently still OK.
And in an SAA at that!
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3leggedturtle wrote:I took me 5 times to learn how to breakdown a 1911. :?
Shoulda gotten a Sig P220 , P226 or P220 !

That took about 90 seconds to watch and do it yourself the first time !
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I can really be DENSE sometimes. But was more worried about losing parts, when I spread a white blanket on the bed everything sort of clicked and fell into place. Simple things can really confuse me sometimes. I have taken a Ruger MarkI down before, that was in '89 or so. We'll see how long it takes me on the MarkIII tonite.
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I feel all warm and fuzzy about my 454 now
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3leggedturtle wrote:I can really be DENSE sometimes. But was more worried about losing parts, when I spread a white blanket on the bed everything sort of clicked and fell into place. Simple things can really confuse me sometimes. I have taken a Ruger MarkI down before, that was in '89 or so. We'll see how long it takes me on the MarkIII tonite.
How far are you taking it down? I have never attempted to take a Ruger MarkI or Mark II beyond the typical removal of that part on the back of the handle, the bolt, and taking the barrel off of the handle. Since my Mark II works every time and is as accurate as I can ask for, I am not worried about taking it further.
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Long live the 22LR!!!! Fast becoming my favorite cartridge, again!

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Blackhawk wrote:Long live the 22LR!!!! Fast becoming my favorite cartridge, again!

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By statistics (pthblth) more people DIE from .22 woulds than any other caliber.

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Old Ironsights wrote:
Blackhawk wrote:Long live the 22LR!!!! Fast becoming my favorite cartridge, again!

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By statistics (pthblth) more people DIE from .22 woulds than any other caliber.

They just don't fall down fast enough.
:twisted: I can live with that. If someone has to remove them from the battlefield, less people to fight. Or so they say.
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Re: Your handgun and caliber choice STINK!

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piller wrote:
3leggedturtle wrote:I can really be DENSE sometimes. But was more worried about losing parts, when I spread a white blanket on the bed everything sort of clicked and fell into place. Simple things can really confuse me sometimes. I have taken a Ruger MarkI down before, that was in '89 or so. We'll see how long it takes me on the MarkIII tonite.
How far are you taking it down? I have never attempted to take a Ruger MarkI or Mark II beyond the typical removal of that part on the back of the handle, the bolt, and taking the barrel off of the handle. Since my Mark II works every time and is as accurate as I can ask for, I am not worried about taking it further.
Been sidetracked the last few days. Gonna take it down enough to replace the safety mag disconnect.
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres

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Re: Your handgun and caliber choice STINK!

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Come on fellas, the original post really only has one correct response.

"Yea, and your mama wears combat boots!" :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Your handgun and caliber choice STINK!

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jeepnik wrote:Come on fellas, the original post really only has one correct response.

"Yea, and your mama wears combat boots!" :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
That's 'cause she is a Marine... and will STILL kick your Daddy's butt... :twisted:
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