1895 Oklahoma Territory U.S. Marshal doc. mystery solved!
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1895 Oklahoma Territory U.S. Marshal doc. mystery solved!
This is a document that tells the pay for a Deputy U.S. Marshal Joe P. Jennings to go with Deputy U.S. Marshal S.S. Nix to arrest Marion Hammons in the Osage Nation. I got it today in the mail. It is signed by both men plus U.S. Marshal E.D. Nix who was assigned to wipe out the Dalton-Doolin Gang in the 1890s under Judge Isaac Parker "The Hanging Judge". In 1929 E.D. Nix wrote the book "The Oklahombres". It was all about the Dalton-Doolin Gang and other outlaws that roamed the Indian Territory and the rest of the Southwest. S.S. Nix, former Deputy Sheriff, was the father of the young 32 year old U.S. Marshal E.D. Nix. E.D. Nix's brother was also a Deputy U.S. Marshal. "The Three Guardsmen" Heck Thomas, Chris Madsen, and Bill Tighman also worked under E.D. Nix. I thought y'all might like to see this. RR7
E.D. Nix top left and "The Three Guardsmen"
S.S. Nix as a Lieutenant in the Civil War
Part of the Dalton Gang that was killed in Coffeyville Kansas while try to rob two banks at the same time.
The end of the Dalton-Doolin Gang.
Bob Dalton's Colt SAA that was taken off his body at Coffeyville.
"The Battle at Ingalls", Ingalls is now a ghost town near Stillwater Oklahoma. The saloon and stables were the sight of the gunfight between The Deputies and the Dalton-Doolin Gang.
Another view of the above photo but someone laid a nice lever across them.
E.D. Nix top left and "The Three Guardsmen"
S.S. Nix as a Lieutenant in the Civil War
Part of the Dalton Gang that was killed in Coffeyville Kansas while try to rob two banks at the same time.
The end of the Dalton-Doolin Gang.
Bob Dalton's Colt SAA that was taken off his body at Coffeyville.
"The Battle at Ingalls", Ingalls is now a ghost town near Stillwater Oklahoma. The saloon and stables were the sight of the gunfight between The Deputies and the Dalton-Doolin Gang.
Another view of the above photo but someone laid a nice lever across them.
Last edited by rangerider7 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:19 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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Super interesting as always. Thanks for sharing these little bits of history.
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A fine looking Colt and great pictures, thanks.
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Cool, what kind of levergun is that, the forearm looks short.
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Printer's form identification (right, top) interesting.
Printers' union bug missing.
Neat overall, thanks.
Printers' union bug missing.
Neat overall, thanks.
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I just noticed that somebody took those fella's boots.
Did they think they might get up and run away?
Did they think they might get up and run away?
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Looks like the corpses are in handcuffs.
Why?
Why?
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Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Picked up a 1895 Oklahoma Territory U.S. Marshal documen
RR7 Thanks for the post, has always very interesting. I had a friend who lived in Coffeeville and I visited her in 1988. They had the Dalton muesum in town and it was interesting to see. The Win 1886 in the photo was one of the Daltons and in 38-56 cal.
One thing that really impressed me was that those evil men killed 21 people trying to get out of town and the hardware store had passed out all there shooting hardware to any man willing to get into the action. Very different times!
One thing that really impressed me was that those evil men killed 21 people trying to get out of town and the hardware store had passed out all there shooting hardware to any man willing to get into the action. Very different times!
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A post of substance! Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time for the pics and write-up.
As to the handcuffs on the dead dudes.....I guess it was an easy way to keep their hands in the front and together----------------better for picture taking. Tying them up would require knots and untying, or if cutting the rope with a knife, (after picture taking) possibly inflicting a cut on their wrist which could lead to a nasty infection.
Its really something how history makes criminals like those Dalton guys, Butch Cassidy, Billy the Kid, Bonny & Clyde, etc look like.....well........almost like "good guys" or people who were caught up in bad times, when in reality they were nothing but a bunch of dirt bag murderers who deserved their demise.-----------------Sixgun
As to the handcuffs on the dead dudes.....I guess it was an easy way to keep their hands in the front and together----------------better for picture taking. Tying them up would require knots and untying, or if cutting the rope with a knife, (after picture taking) possibly inflicting a cut on their wrist which could lead to a nasty infection.
Its really something how history makes criminals like those Dalton guys, Butch Cassidy, Billy the Kid, Bonny & Clyde, etc look like.....well........almost like "good guys" or people who were caught up in bad times, when in reality they were nothing but a bunch of dirt bag murderers who deserved their demise.-----------------Sixgun
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EdinCT, thanks for the information on the 86. I have a 1886 Winchester rifle in 38-56 and the info makes a good reference for people to look at. I think the old camera and the angle makes the forearm look short. I'm not sure, it could be a short rifle. Did any of them have a shorter forearm? Thanks again, RR7
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RR7, a very pretty piece of history you have their. Boy, that old Bill Tilghman got around didn't he?
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Thanks EdinCTPitchy wrote:Cool, what kind of levergun is that, the forearm looks short.
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Pitchy, I knew it was an 1886 but the forearm and the barrel looked a bit odd to me too. I decided to wait and see what members said about it. Thanks to EdinCT we got more information. RR7
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Yepper, just wanted too thank him also, something weird about that forearm.rangerider7 wrote:Pitchy, I knew it was an 1886 but the forearm and the barrel looked a bit odd to me too. I decided to wait and see what members said about it. Thanks to EdinCT we got more information. RR7
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Pitchy, I found an article by Dale H. Peterson called "Coffeyville, Kansas Revisited". He states he went to check out the 1886 Winchester rifle. It has a serial number of 55710 in 38-56 caliber but has been altered from the time it was ordered. The forearm has been cut shorter and the under side of the barrel had a new forearm slot cut and the original one was filled in. The barrel measures 20" and appears to be the original. The butt stock has also been shortened to about 12 3/8 " and the butt plate is ill fitted. It is said to have belonged to Grat Dalton, a rather short man. He says the Winchester records show the rifle was a 45-65 so some mystery still remains. If I ever get back to Kansas I will take a look myself. RR7
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Always interesting history shared in your posts. Thanks
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I noticed that too... very strange looking to me, but I'm no firearms historian.rangerider7 wrote:EdinCT, thanks for the information on the 86. I have a 1886 Winchester rifle in 38-56 and the info makes a good reference for people to look at. I think the old camera and the angle makes the forearm look short. I'm not sure, it could be a short rifle. Did any of them have a shorter forearm? Thanks again, RR7
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A custom made gunrangerider7 wrote:Pitchy, I found an article by Dale H. Peterson called "Coffeyville, Kansas Revisited". He states he went to check out the 1886 Winchester rifle. It has a serial number of 55710 in 38-56 caliber but has been altered from the time it was ordered. The forearm has been cut shorter and the under side of the barrel had a new forearm slot cut and the original one was filled in. The barrel measures 20" and appears to be the original. The butt stock has also been shortened to about 12 3/8 " and the butt plate is ill fitted. It is said to have belonged to Grat Dalton, a rather short man. He says the Winchester records show the rifle was a 45-65 so some mystery still remains. If I ever get back to Kansas I will take a look myself. RR7
Thanks bro, very interesting stuff.
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Those are some good pics and a great history lesson. Yur right Sixgun about how we have made the villan out to be a hero. I believe the town folks handled things right that day. 21 dead in a small town like that would have had a mighty bad effect, but they were probably more able to bounce back than we are these days.
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Birdman wrote: 21 dead in a small town
I heard right after those 21 people were killed that congress tried to pass some kind of a "Winchester Assault Rifle Ban". -------------------6
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The 1886 rifl looks like it might be a takedown version? hence maybe there was another barrel assembly left behind somehere?
And being it was a 45-64, maybe the 38-56 ammo was more readily available at the time?
just a thought. I the rifle is a TD, maybe need to check numbers to see if they match.
And being it was a 45-64, maybe the 38-56 ammo was more readily available at the time?
just a thought. I the rifle is a TD, maybe need to check numbers to see if they match.
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Very nice post. Some of you probably know about the Dalton Gang Museum in Meade, Kansas. It was a home owned by a sister and her husband where the gang would sometimes hide at when things got a little hot. They dug a tunnel from the house to the barn, and that is part of the museum. I have never heard whether the brother-in-law was pleased or not about the situation.
My platoon in Basic/AIT had a fellow from Kingfisher, OK named Bobby Dalton. I once asked about the Dalton Gang, and he didn't even know who they were. Apparently, the rest of the family did not want any more to do with them.
My platoon in Basic/AIT had a fellow from Kingfisher, OK named Bobby Dalton. I once asked about the Dalton Gang, and he didn't even know who they were. Apparently, the rest of the family did not want any more to do with them.
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at the LE Agency that i serve it's procedure to handcuff the decease B-G(s) until the scene is secure...did you notice the entry wounds on some of those gang members...bad day for the gang...good day for America... :)Sixgun wrote:A post of substance! :D Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time for the pics and write-up.
As to the handcuffs on the dead dudes.....I guess it was an easy way to keep their hands in the front and together----------------better for picture taking. :D Tying them up would require knots and untying, or if cutting the rope with a knife, (after picture taking) possibly inflicting a cut on their wrist which could lead to a nasty infection. :D
Its really something how history makes criminals like those Dalton guys, Butch Cassidy, Billy the Kid, Bonny & Clyde, etc look like.....well........almost like "good guys" or people who were caught up in bad times, when in reality they were nothing but a bunch of dirt bag murderers who deserved their demise.-----------------Sixgun