Buck Knives...The world is comming to an end!!!

big medicine · Post by **big medicine** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:23 pm

I can not believe it!!!! I bought a buck Hilo mod 179 and it is made in China.. Buck knives made in China, I give up?

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:30 pm

Yep I returned one to them a couple of years ago because of that. I bought a fillet knife and when I got it home I looked at the blade and there is was plain as day right on the blade CHINA.

I didn't know they were building their folders there as well.

Kilroy6644 · Post by **Kilroy6644** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:35 pm

My 110 was made in the US. I got it for my 24th birthday, in '06.

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:35 pm

It seems that their traditional line of knives are still made in the US while their more oddball looking ones are made overseas. I agree on the sentiment.

old goat · Post by **old goat** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:39 pm

...The great grandchildren of the founder of the company, are now running the company. They seem to look at things differently.

...old goat

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:41 pm

Well, other than that, is it a good knife?

SmokeEater2 · Post by **SmokeEater2** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:12 pm

My Father in law got a new Buck stockman for Christmas...made in China.

I see Browning knives are all made in China now too. A friend had one at a camping trip and cut the heck out of himself when the pot metal spring (I think thats what it is) on the back strap broke. He reached into his pocket and found the partially opened and freshly sharpened blade,That was a brand new knife.
I bought a new Case pocket knife recently and they are still US made.

Nazgul · Post by **Nazgul** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:33 pm

I stop at the Case factory in Bradford, PA when I go home to see my parents in Western NY. They are still made there.

They are owned by Zippo, which has a very interesting display of damaged/destroyed lighters they replaced. They had one for awhile that had a bullet from a German rifle stuck in it, along with a letter from the soldier whose life was saved.

Always Lurking · Post by **Always Lurking** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:34 pm

Kilroy6644 wrote:My 110 was made in the US. I got it for my 24th birthday, in '06.

My 110 was made in the US, and I got it for my 14th birthday in 1969.

Actually the knife was called the Folding Hunter back then, and tuff as nails, well tuffer than nails, as the adds showed the blade being hammered thro a nail.

dr walker · Post by **dr walker** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:07 pm

Yep, it is sad to see many of the so-called American companies having their products made overseas.
Buck still has some of their knives made in the USA, but who knows how long that will last.

The Case/Zippo museum is a kck. I love the returned lighter collection as well. some of those letters will crack you up.

JohnnyReb · Post by **JohnnyReb** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:11 pm

Well, Buck it..... Have to stay with case!

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:21 pm

old goat wrote:...The great grandchildren of the founder of the company, are now running the company. They seem to look at things differently.

...old goat

Nope - that's not quite right.

For years, Buck Knives were made in El Cajon, CA. The laws in CA kept getting more and more stringent and as time passed the PRODUCTION of certain style knives were outlawed in CA. As a result, Buck had to stop making some of their knives in CA and sourced them out. Buck Knives finally move lock-stock-and-barrel to I think Idaho and now they make all their own knives. Maybe one or two lines still made in China.

An example of knife makers in CA is Cold Steel Knives. They make most of their knives in CA but the ones in their line that can't be made in CA are made in I think TX.

357dude · Post by **357dude** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:29 pm

They still have a lot of US made knives.

As much as I'd like to see more products made in the USA, we just can't compete with manufacturing countries such as China and some others.

It must be apparent that most Americans don't mind paying less regardless of were a product was manufactured.

Buck is a pretty good company and don't fault them for keeping competitive by having some of their products made overseas.

The Buck 110 is one of the best knife deals on the planet. I think it's a great knife, it's still made here and I think every outdoorsman and outdoorswoman should own one.

357dude

Marc Taylor · Post by **Marc Taylor** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:25 pm

Please see "My theory" thread...

Thanks and sorry, but it irks me the way this is going.

Taylor

big medicine · Post by **big medicine** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:34 pm

I bought the knife mail order because it was a "Buck" I expect a knife made in china from a lot of other companies. Didn't expect it from Buck. As to the quality....I will only know once I use it.

shawn_c992001 · Post by **shawn_c992001** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:36 pm

I like the SOG knives they're made in the US. Except the "Fusion" line which is very good too.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:02 pm

Coupla years ago I was up in Idaho and talking to a knife sharpener. He asked about my Buck Folding Hunter, so I let him sharpen it also, He told that about 6 months before Wal-Mart had refused to buy any folding Bucks, as the price was going up. According the this gentleman, Wal-Mart, being the biggest retailer of Buck literally drove them overseas to keep the cost down so they'd buy. I believe that all the fixed blades are still built in the US, but the folders are from China. He had one 110 left that sez Buck 110-1 USA, it's mine now!

DPris · Post by **DPris** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:58 pm

Several SOG models are sourced overseas & have been for a while.

Denis

big uns · Post by **big uns** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:56 pm

Some of Gerbers and Columbia River Knives are made in China also.

dr walker · Post by **dr walker** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:07 am

I just looked at Buck's webpage. They have a very nice and informative set up.

http://www.buckknives.com/

Next to pictures and titles of knives they show a little flag for the ones that are made in USA. I was pleasantly surprised to find many knives made in the USA.

BobM · Post by **BobM** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:14 am

I sent a Buck back to the factory that I had got new back in the mid 90s. A couple of years ago I let someone use it and it was damaged (doing something it wasn't designed for). I found it again this winter and sent it back in January. Yesterday a new knife showed up as the old one wasn't repairable. I told them in the letter how it was damaged so at best I was hoping they'd be able to fix the old one.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:01 am

Always Lurking wrote:
Kilroy6644 wrote:My 110 was made in the US. I got it for my 24th birthday, in '06.
My 110 was made in the US, and I got it for my 14th birthday in 1969.

Actually the knife was called the Folding Hunter back then, and tuff as nails, well tuffer than nails, as the adds showed the blade being hammered thro a nail.

Yep, still got my 110 folding hunter. Used it for 25 years in Alaska. When I look at it, it reminds me of many fine adventures......and a few misadventures!

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:11 am

Can you say NAFTA?

old goat · Post by **old goat** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:16 am

...Modoc ED:
...You are getting production and sales confused. Cold Steel has an office set up outside Calf. to take orders for knives that cannot be sold in California. There is no production capabilities there. All that office does, is take mail orders.
...As for production, The Cold Steel web site's FAQ's states most of their knives are made in Japan, with some made in Taiwan, and others made in China.
...FWIW, I have Cold Steel knives that are stamped: Made in the USA, and some Made in Japan, and also Made in Taiwan.
...To get back to Buck knives, when the move out of Calif. was announced, the reason given, was the soaring cost associated with operating a business in California.

...old goat

Old Shatterhand · Post by **Old Shatterhand** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:54 am

old goat wrote:---...As for production, The Cold Steel web site's FAQ's states most of their knives are made in Japan, with some made in Taiwan, and others made in China.
...FWIW, I have Cold Steel knives that are stamped: Made in the USA, and some Made in Japan, and also Made in Taiwan.
.---

My S.O.G. Northwest Ranger is stamped "Seki, Japan". Still a good knife.

We have the same out-sourching problem here in Europe. Old firms with good traditional products move their production to East Asia, keep the prices and deliver deterior quality. Often it's better to buy good used stuff than brand new.

Old Sh.

Ravenman · Post by **Ravenman** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:33 am

The swiss army needed a new pocket knife. We have the well-known knife producer Victorinox here in Switzerland also the supplier of the recent army pocket knife. They told us that there are some european union laws that we have to write out the replacement. Stupid as stupid can be. We are not member of the european union but fall under their law. The politic pressure is strong.

We won the fight and the next swiss army pocket knife will be again a "Victorinox". Made in Switzerland!

cas · Post by **cas** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:44 pm

Old Shatterhand wrote:
old goat wrote:---
My S.O.G. Northwest Ranger is stamped "Seki, Japan". Still a good knife.

It's not the 1950's ,

I view a knife made in Japan as a good thing, not a bad thing. My Spiderco is made in Japan, of course it's 15 years old now, so I'm not sure where they come from now.

I picked up a CRKT a couple years ago and was quite disappointed to see "Taiwan" on the blade.

S.B. · Post by **S.B.** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:52 pm

Origianally, I posted some derogatory statements about the hardness of Bucks and then deleted them. Then I read deeper into the thread and found out that the trouble with overseas manufacturing at Buck was caused by the state? One final thought; wouldn't it have been cheaper to go into another state, more manufacturer friendly, than Japan?
I just hate it when any American company goes over seas! I don't think the corporate world will ever see global economy any more than most enviromental people will see there is no such thing as global warming?
Just plan old corporate greed!

Swampman · Post by **Swampman** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:00 pm

It's much more complicated than just corportate greed.

S.B. · Post by **S.B.** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:49 am

Maybe so but, my world economy stops at my bank?

leverhunter · Post by **leverhunter** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:55 am

handirifle wrote:Can you say NAFTA?

If NAFTA was the cause, then Buck Knives would be made in Canada or Mexico.

Alberta would be a nice place for them to set up shop.........