Winchester 9410

getitdone1 · Post by **getitdone1** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:29 am

I've considered buying the Winchester 9410 for some time.

What are they currently going for?

How acccurate with slugs?

How reliable?

Is there an especially good 2 1/2" 410 shell for this gun?

Any "variations" in this model? Shorter than std. 24" bbl.?

Don McCullough

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:40 pm

Here's all the 9410s that were made.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/ ... p?cat=006C

Just do a search thru Google And Yahoo. A lot of stuff about them. Check the internet auction sites for price and availability.

getitdone1 · Post by **getitdone1** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:30 pm

What's the buckshot potential of the 2 1/2" 410 shell?

Don

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:23 pm

YOU KNOW DON, WHEN THESE WERE IN THE MARKET PLACE I LOOKED AT ONE MANY MANY TIMES AT FIRST STOP HERE IN RCSD. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL LEVERGUN AND I LOVE BEAUTIFUL LEVERGUNS. EVERYTIME I WOULD ASK MY SELF, " SELF, WHAT IN THE FLYING HELL WOULD THIS THING BE GOOD FOR ?"
I NEVER COULD COME UP WITH AN ANSWER. IT WAS GOOD FOR NOTHING !!! ....EXCEPT FOR BEING A REALLY NEAT LEVERGUN.
I HAD SHOT A 410 MOSSBERG FOR A LONG TIME AND THE 410 SHOTSHELL IS AS CLOSE TO WORTHLESS AS ANY PIECE OF ORDNANCE I CAN IMAGINE. YES,, YOU CAN KILL STUFF WITH IT, IF YOU'RE DANG NEAR GOOD ENOUGH TO USE IT AS A SUPPOSITORY ON 'EM . IT WILL KILL SMALL GAME AND FLYING BIRDS WITHIN 25 YARDS IF YOU'RE ONE HELL OF A FINE WING SHOT, AND LUCKY !!
I FINALLY DEDUCED A 410 IS A FINE HOME DEFENCE GUN FOR CLOSE- UP-IN-THEIR-FACE 2-LEGGED VARMINT CONTROL. IT'LL MAKE A FINE MESS THEN. BUT THEN AGAIN, DANGED NEAR EVERYTHING ELSE IS BETTER AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SMELL THEIR BREATH BEFORE WHACKING 'EM.
AND TO THINK...WE USTA BUY 410 SHOTSHELLS BY THE CASE WAY BACK WHEN FOR THAT MOSSBERG.

hartman · Post by **hartman** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:24 pm

Don,

Don't know if it will apply to all .410's but was in a gunshop awhile back and saw some Winchester 2 1/2" .410 buckshot with 4 -000 pellets. I shot them out of my kid's .410 and at 25 yards they made a perfect 4" square on the target. One hole at each corner of the square in the pattern.

Hartman

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:49 pm

I'm with ya Terry.
With my wing shooting skills a 20 ga. is about my lower limit of usefulness.
A store manager near me here did allow his kid to kill his first deer with a .410 NEF shotgun. He used a slug, but I also convinced him to buy my 20 ga. youth model as a substitute. I sold it to him for $65 so it's not like I got rich. I just didn't want to see the kid wound something.

getitdone1 · Post by **getitdone1** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:45 pm

Some good, kind responses and I appreciate'em.

Pretty useless? I'll probably have to prove it to myself but I know you guys are talking from experience.

Expect you know, the main attraction to me and other people is it's so much like your lever rifles. That's one appeal.

Next is the lightness and handiness of the gun.

Next is the challenge of bringing your skills up from game wounder to game killer with the 410/2 1/2"

Probably most important: I ain't ever played with a gun like that before!

Don

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:48 pm

I just picked one up so I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.

But, through all the research I did on accuracy, reloading, etc..., several agreed the Remington Slugger shot best out of it, posting 2" groups at 50yds.

Read of no problems with reliability.

Buck shot was said to have been decent within 25yds.

I didn't get mine for much else other than nostalgia. But, I have no problem with a 100gr slug at 1850fps.

I've used it to take coyote, turkey, rabbit, and squirrel. I doubt I'd have a problem using it on deer if necessary within 50yds. The 22mag has done duty on the above as well, but the .410 slug is twice the weight with the same velocity.

Post by **Hobie** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:58 pm

Don,

There's also a Wolf load or two in all metal cases. However, even though I own two I hardly ever take them out. No they aren't lever guns but that doesn't really change how the round performs. Mostly useful for squirrels before the leaves fall (but I now much prefer the rifle anyway).

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:04 pm

These guns interest me, I'll tell you why. What with living in the land of the oppressed gun owner it has led me to improvise on more than one occasion. Something like 20 years ago (or more thinking about it) I had a lee Enfield 410 conversion, strong gun so I made my own mold and made some drill shaped slugs. I then screwed fibre wads to their rears to act as flights and so on. I tell you you would be able to shoot deer up to 80 odd yards and allthough I did not weigh them I bet they were more like 200g +.
I can not but wonder what I could get a 9410 doing nowadays and with a bag of 444 brass sitting upstairs

Nath.

getitdone1 · Post by **getitdone1** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:28 pm

Whoa Nath,

Tell me more about the 444 brass.

Don

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:31 pm

This gentleman has done some good write ups and testing
using his 9410.

http://mcb-homis.com/

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:05 pm

Ok. 9410....

The 2 major (non-wood) variants are with removable choke and Cylinder Bore.

Mine was CB.

I've seen prices from $400 to $1100, with the average for a near minty gun being in the $700-$800 range.

They are excellent small game guns, functional (and fun/funny) skeet guns and marginal at everything else.

Factory Slugs can't even compete with factory .357 out of a revolver, but generally shoot through a CB gun to about 2" at 25yds.

I can't remember which, but IIRC Rem 1/4oz slugs feed better than Fed 1/5 oz slugs. There is a VERY narrow tollerance in what the lifter will bring into battery.

OTOH, as a Home Defense gun, loaded with 00 it's amazing. Looks like a 30-30, but won't shoot through walls.

Even though I sold mine, I'm still working (slowly) on a heavy slug for the 9410... I'm up to 136gr and 2000fps right now with marginally passable accuracy out to 75yds.

The CBC/Magtech Brass Hulls have too large an ID for slugs, but are dandy for shot.

Patterns are about 18" at 25yds with Win #8 AA HS - which shoot like a house 'a fire.

Any other questions?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:14 pm

getitdone1 wrote:Whoa Nath,

Tell me more about the 444 brass.

Don

444 brass works just fine in a 9410 as a substitute for .410 Full Brass.

In order:

Fed Slug, Rem Slug, CBC 410, .444

Next, CBC .410 with Fed & Rem Slugs stacked, and .444 brass:

Another option IIRC is 303 British brass...

Someday I'll get a heavy load to work decently in a CB gun

....

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:31 pm

OI,

I'm sending you a PM in a minute.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:06 am

One of those really wierd father/son moments....

Dad had "borrowed" my '94, (I finally got it back when he died) so, kind of as a hint, I left a Winchester catalogue in his bathroom, hoping he'd order his own.
Well, one day, I think I was working out of state, and he calls me on his cell phone, from the toilet, and says, "You know, I've been thinking, I always liked the .410, and that ought to work pretty well in a big bored, '94. What do you think?" I told him to flip over to the shotgun section and look at the one with the lever on it a little closer.

I sure miss him.

Another time, I was working for an outfitter in Wyoming. He was from Texas, so you couldn't tell him anything. He carried a .45/.410 revolver and a Marlin .45-70. I'd noticed that he carried all of his ammo loose in a flour sack, and commented on the advisability of doing so.
But, then, he was from Texas, so.......... Well, anyhow, the first day into camp, he screwed around so long that we didn't get into camp until after dark, and he didn't care to hang the coolers up off the ground away from where we were sleeping. But, then, he was,...... well, you know.
I'd been working another camp just a few miles away all summer, and knew how big the bears are on the north fork of the Buffalo river, near DuBois. And there are plenty of them.

Finally, I convinced him to at least LOAD the one darn gun we had in camp; his .45-70. Well, since he was loading out his lucky flour sack in the dark, I tried shining my maglight on him so he could see what he was doing, but got shouted down. Thank God I goaded him into at least chambering it, because the first round was a .410, and it jammed!

But, then, he was from Texas.........

(I was born in Tulsa!)

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:39 am

Travis Morgan wrote:
But, then, he was from Texas.........

(I was born in Tulsa!)

I know just what you mean. I was born in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma County, Oklahoma in 1943. Can't get much more Okie than that.

But I still like those Texans!!

pricecw · Post by **pricecw** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:07 am

I bought the 9410 traditional when they were still on the shelves

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/ ... 6&cat=006C

I like this little lever, used it for gophers around the house, and have shot some clay pigeons with it when out plinking with my brothers. I have tried slugs, and could hit a two liter pop bottle at 100yds reliably.

Over all, I picked it up to play, always wanted a lever action shotgun. It is a fun little shotgun, and I wouldn't hesitate to spend the same money over.

I however have no idea what it they are going for now, since I don't intend to sell mine.

Forgot to add, would love to get a good slug load for this thing for a brass case.

--Carl

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:27 pm

Sorry I'm late getitdone but OI has covered it really. Some guns prefere the forward part of the rim filing slightly in a lath (444 brass).
I firmly believe a home made slug glued to a plas wad of some type of good mass and the strength of the 94 would make for a good tool, certainly different.
OI, what kind of accuracy Sir?
Nath.

Dirty Dan · Post by **Dirty Dan** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:37 pm

I agree there are better rounds than the 410, just like there are better ones than the 30-30, 357, etc.

I cut my shooting teeth on a Savage .22/410 O/U and likely killed more critters with it than all firearms since, but I was a lad in my early teens and knew no better.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:33 pm

Right now on Outdoor TV there's a hunting show on, using the .410 on Canadian geese!

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:54 pm

Griff wrote:Right now on Outdoor TV there's a hunting show on, using the .410 on Canadian geese!

I wouldn't... unless they are on the ground within 25 yds.

Not with the 410 pattern.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:03 pm

Nath wrote:Sorry I'm late getitdone but OI has covered it really. Some guns prefere the forward part of the rim filing slightly in a lath (444 brass).
I firmly believe a home made slug glued to a plas wad of some type of good mass and the strength of the 94 would make for a good tool, certainly different.
OI, what kind of accuracy Sir?
Nath.

I'm using hollow-based "super fosters" at slightly over bore diameter with no plas wad.

On my last attempt I was getting about 6" at 25 yds at 2000fps with a 136gr.

Not nearly good enough since factory 90-110gr slugs shoot 2" at 25yds /1400fps. (all offhand).

The biggest problem with .410 "wildcatting" is there is no such thing as "consistent" crimp pressure. The slug starts moving immediately - well before the peak pressure curve. Also, getting a good bore seal is a challange. I've been using farina and cardboard wads, but I can't believe that there is no way to det metal-to-metal obturation with a hollowbase.

Ah well. It will have to wait until I pick up another .410 test barrel... I've got a .45-70 to shoot first.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:08 pm

Actually, there were about 5 guys that each took a turn with the .410 during a regular hunt. I was surprised at the number of geese that just folded up and fell outta the sky! When loaded & used properly, I suspect it is quite the round. I was impressed and may need to reconsider my uninformed opinion. May need to find one and try a little skeet.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:41 pm

I have shot one canada goose with a 410, they were passing low to my right and fast. I chose a back bird and flick the barrels through fast. 1/2oz of no7s (prolly like your 61/2s) reload and it's head flopped back, dead. 25yds two years ago ish.
I have used them on driven pheasant and done ok.
If I was to try a 94 I think I would look towards 41cal bullets and fix some kind of wad to act as a flite etc. With the 94 I would go for weight over vel. A 200gr'er grouping in less than 4" @ 50yds could bring meat home including the odd rabbit. Just my thoughts.
Nath.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:18 pm

Nath wrote:I have shot one canada goose with a 410, they were passing low to my right and fast. I chose a back bird and flick the barrels through fast. 1/2oz of no7s (prolly like your 61/2s) reload and it's head flopped back, dead. 25yds two years ago ish.
I have used them on driven pheasant and done ok.
If I was to try a 94 I think I would look towards 41cal bullets and fix some kind of wad to act as a flite etc. With the 94 I would go for weight over vel. A 200gr'er grouping in less than 4" @ 50yds could bring meat home including the odd rabbit. Just my thoughts.
Nath.

My thoughts too... but it's a bit more prolematic than that.

Attaching a flite to the slug is actually harder than working up a hollowbase... and THAT is an engineering nightmare.

This is my best slug to date:

.413 and 136gr bare.

I haven't gotten my LBT .417 variable weight test slug to work right yet. It has an "adjustable" base pin that allowes me to adjust the slug Weight and pin depth/skirt length.

Unfortunately, I cannot find a calculator/formula to calculate the "Foster Point" of a hollow base slug of a given weight/diameter, and I'm suffering from Aluminium Galling on my base-pin unit.

But I'll get somthing worked out someday. However, I'll have to get a new .410 first. Probably a HandiRifle... unless I can safely get my 100y/o
16ga damascus relined and capable of handling 20K+ psi...

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:12 pm

I tip my hat to ya Old Irons, what about a straight plastic rod or tube glued in the HB?
I agree that this form of project is problematic, I think it is the survivalist in me that keeps me interested

Nath.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:14 pm

I can't think of a Glue that would hold up. Even Brenneke slugs are swaged onto their "wads".

But then, I'm a Caster, not a Swager. Maybe there is another Swaging solution.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:24 pm

It may not be too tough on the glue as the rear of the bullet is in a vacuum to some extent!

Nath.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:16 am

Old Ironsights wrote:I can't think of a Glue that would hold up. Even Brenneke slugs are swaged onto their "wads".

But then, I'm a Caster, not a Swager. Maybe there is another Swaging solution.

JB WELD!

bobbyjack · Post by **bobbyjack** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:04 pm

Modoc ED wrote:
Travis Morgan wrote:
But, then, he was from Texas.........

(I was born in Tulsa!)
I know just what you mean. I was born in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma County, Oklahoma in 1943. Can't get much more Okie than that.

But I still like those Texans!!

I was born in Saint Anthonys in (1945) you are an Old dude ,Aren't you?

Bob