new "Woods Side-Arm" to compliment my leverguns...

[1894c]

Hi--when it comes to Single Action pistols in .357 mag or .44 mag i'm a lousy shot over 25 yards, unless i'm willing to put rubber grips on them, which (for me) detracts from their good looks. i've owned a couple of .357 & .44 DA revolvers, did better, mostly with the .357, but wasn't satisfied in the end. So over the last 10 years i've been carrying my Glock 27 or 23 (.40s&w) for a woods gun. no, my intent wasn't to hunt with them (definitely not bear repellent), just like having a side-arm, and the .40s&w is a capable cartridge, similar to the ancient 38/40.

BUT, there is a ground-swell of interest in the LE Agency that i serve to move away from the .40s&w to the .45 ACP, or at least give the patrol guys this option, we do have 18 sworn who have been grand-fathered with an assortment of .45's in Kimber's Wilson Combat, and Glock 21's. One of these LEO's was showing me his off-duty Glock 30SF (SF is glock-speak for "short-frame), usually the Glock .45's grips are too big for my hands, but the 30SF fit like a glove.

So, I decided to buy (LE discount - $449.00) a Gen3 Glock 30SF in .45 ACP as my new woods gun. The 30 holds 11 rounds, 10 in the mag, 1 in the tube. the 30 weighs 33-ozs loaded. i believe that the .45 ACP is a better choice in caliber than the .40s&w. i know i could have bought a nice 1911, but the Glock is ugly, practical, reliable, and if you bang it up, nobody looses... :)

[Pitchy]

Never owned a Glock but looks like a good set-up.
Never thought i`d own a plastic gun but a XD changed my mind in 45 cal.
They have their place.

[AJMD429]

. . . the .40s&w is a capable cartridge, similar to the ancient 38/40.

Yep, if you'd feel ok in a given situation with a nice .38/40 sixshooter, no reason a .40 semiauto shouldn't suffice just as well, as long as it's reliable; often you have a few more rounds available, plus the gun will be in a pretty flat and durable configuration.

. . . the Glock is ugly, practical, reliable, and if you bang it up, nobody looses...

Kind of a carry-version of the proverbial 'truck-gun'.

[Paladin]

Nice selection have fun with it.

[1894c]

. . . the .40s&w is a capable cartridge, similar to the ancient 38/40.

Yep, if you'd feel ok in a given situation with a nice .38/40 sixshooter, no reason a .40 semiauto shouldn't suffice just as well, as long as it's reliable; often you have a few more rounds available, plus the gun will be in a pretty flat and durable configuration.

. . . the Glock is ugly, practical, reliable, and if you bang it up, nobody looses... :)

Kind of a carry-version of the proverbial 'truck-gun'.

AJMD429--that is the best discription of a Glock i have ever read... :)

[1894c]

Never owned a Glock but looks like a good set-up.
Never thought i`d own a plastic gun but a XD changed my mind in 45 cal.
They have their place.

Pitchy--i should have thought of a .45acp earlier, apparently you're smarter than i for you have the XD...almost like the .45colt (almost, but not quite) and the .44spl that many like using for "woods guns". the Glock is rated for +P so i should be able to use slightly warmer stuff in the woods. i'm also going to buy a LoneWolf replacement barrel so i can shoot lead bullets too...i like your comment "they have their place", just like the wild-bunch, except in tupperware...all i have to do now is find that non-existent M92 .45ACP levergun... :)

[tman]

Is there enough difference between the 40 and the 45, that a 40 wouldn't have been enough, but the 45 would have Don't believe anything shot with either could tell the difference,

[CowboyTutt]

Been thinking about a Glock in 10mm since I'm partial to that cartridge (already have a beautiful full size 1911 Kimber in that chambering). The Glocks are good "beater guns". -Tutt

[AJMD429]

Kind of a carry-version of the proverbial 'truck-gun'.

AJMD429--that is the best discription of a Glock i have ever read...

What's funny is how I'll see guys use Ruger Single-Actions for 'truck-guns', when they ARE plenty tough, and reliable, but they aren't as compact, have more places for grit and stuff to get into them, and it's always a shame to see one get pitted or scuffed up.

[1894c]

Been thinking about a Glock in 10mm since I'm partial to that cartridge (already have a beautiful full size 1911 Kimber in that chambering). The Glocks are good "beater guns". :lol: -Tutt

10mm is a great round, good choice for a woods cartridge too...thought about it...but my goal was to use a cartridge that the LE Agency i serve approves, which i can also qualify with, and carry...shot the 30SF again this weekend, very accurate, minute-of-clay-pigeon at 50 yards... 2"+ grouping on paper at 25yds...i shoot the .45ACP better than i did the .40s&w, better than the .357Mag...go figure...but then John Browning and Jeff Cooper told me so along time ago... :)

[1894c]

Kind of a carry-version of the proverbial 'truck-gun'.

AJMD429--that is the best discription of a Glock i have ever read... :)

What's funny is how I'll see guys use Ruger Single-Actions for 'truck-guns', when they ARE plenty tough, and reliable, but they aren't as compact, have more places for grit and stuff to get into them, and it's always a shame to see one get pitted or scuffed up.

i agree...hate to see a SA of any brand get banged around...i have too much respect for them...i can see using a SA as a truck gun, but i would make sure that it had a comfortable place to ride --- but the old beat-up Glocks that i see on some of our Patrol LEO's have a certain patina of respect, experience, and street-proven wisdom... :)

[Poohgyrr]

That G30SF, and the regular G30 version, both have good reputations for accuracy; some even say noticably better than the Glock 40's.

The G30 I carried for a while gave about 845 FPS with PMC ball ammo. Not bad for a short barrel.

45ACP is still a good round, and that's a good pistol. Congrats.

[MrMurphy]

It's "slim frame" not short frame.


I've carried a regular G30 for 12 years, it's a good gun. Mine is an original production run and dislikes WWB, but anything else it shoots fine.

[CowboyTutt]

but then John Browning and Jeff Cooper told me so along time ago...

I saw some incredible video footage of Colonel Cooper from a former student of his at my CCW class. Its such a shame that after he died, the new owners of his school just buried his illustrious history and acted like it never happened. I miss him and sure wish I could have met him when he was alive. -Tutt

[Panzercat]

Pfft, could have gotten a hi-point in .45 for cheaper and they have the benefit of being just as ugly
Of course, carrying around just the nine sucked when I had one back when. Can't imagine carrying around even more metal.

On that note, been considering a 10mm for a while, but they're generally price prohibitive unless I want an EAA. Bleh.

[CowboyTutt]

Are the butt ugly Glock 10mm's that expensive???? I haven't priced them yet. Far better to "role your own" with this cartridge. Factory ammo is not cheap although Double Tap stuff is reasonable AND powerful last I looked. -Tutt

[1894c]

Pfft, could have gotten a hi-point in .45 for cheaper and they have the benefit of being just as ugly :D
Of course, carrying around just the nine sucked when I had one back when. Can't imagine carrying around even more metal.

On that note, been considering a 10mm for a while, but they're generally price prohibitive unless I want an EAA. Bleh.

Glock 30SF .45ACP: LE price - $449.00

[1894c]

Is there enough difference between the 40 and the 45, that a 40 wouldn't have been enough, but the 45 would have :?: Don't believe anything shot with either could tell the difference, :P

Physics has allot to do with it... .40S&W 155, 165, or 180gr -- .45ACP 230gr = kinetic energy
the .45ACP is still effective in hardball...the .40S&W not as good in hardball, you need a good hollow-
point to make the .40 effective... :)
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Note: i decided to go with the .45ACP because it's an older round (100+ years), has history (the Marine Corp Special Ops guys just bought a bunch of 1911's from Colt), kind-of the same reason why i own and hunt with leverguns. i know the Glock platform is somewhat out of character, but it's a platform i very familiar with...same reason why many on this forum like the .45Colt, .44/40, or the .44 Special -- big slow bullet, ancient thinking and technology in today's smaller/hyper-velocity world... :)

[1894c]

It's "slim frame" not short frame.


I've carried a regular G30 for 12 years, it's a good gun. Mine is an original production run and dislikes WWB, but anything else it shoots fine.

http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell-Glock30SF.htm

[MrMurphy]

Hmm.....they changed their website...

They first said it was the Slim Frame. Odd.

[1894c]

Hmm.....they changed their website...

They first said it was the Slim Frame. Odd.

i apologize about that...don't want to be offensive...things do change... :)

[Panzercat]

Glock 30SF .45ACP: LE price - $449.00

Was kidding about the hi-point there, Tex

[piller]

I don't like the feel of a Glock, and that is the only thing I have against them. Hope yours is exactly what you want it for. I would probably use my .45 RIA or maybe my S&W Model 99 for a woods gun if I wanted a semi-auto. I have never heard anything bad about Glocks when used with new ammo. I have heard some things about them with reloads, but this is hearsay. Again, I just don't like the feel of their grip. I have a big palm, thick, with medium length fingers. I have noticed the Glocks fit better with more normal sized palm and longer fingers.

[1894c]

I don't like the feel of a Glock, and that is the only thing I have against them. Hope yours is exactly what you want it for. I would probably use my .45 RIA or maybe my S&W Model 99 for a woods gun if I wanted a semi-auto. I have never heard anything bad about Glocks when used with new ammo. I have heard some things about them with reloads, but this is hearsay. Again, I just don't like the feel of their grip. I have a big palm, thick, with medium length fingers. I have noticed the Glocks fit better with more normal sized palm and longer fingers.

for some strange reason Glocks just fit me...my two hunting buddies also carry .45ACP's, one is a RIA and the other is a Smith & Wesson. if the Glocks don't work for you try the S&W M&P or the Springfield XD, or a regular 1911. in the end i would venture to say the majority on this forum would gravitate towards a SA or a DA revolver, which is always a good choice... :)