Avoid microstamping -- nail for firing pin M-16

[alnitak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNGnq9A ... ure=colike

[Paladin]

I would not have thought of making a firing pin out of a nail, Thanks for posting.
The micro stamping not a problem with my older systems

[rogn]

AR firing pins are std replacement parts and readily available from many sources. Why use a soft nail.

[olyinaz]

I made a replacement firing pin for my Dad's shotgun out of a nail when I was a kid back in the 70s. It's still in there!

Oly

[jhrosier]

AR firing pins are std replacement parts and readily available from many sources. Why use a soft nail.

When microstamping becomes law, the firing pin will become a serial numbered part, available only from a licenced dealer.

Jack

[Moondawg]

Seems to me that a few passes across a medium grit stone would take care of the microstamping. It should either remove it or make it unrecognizable.

[Buck Elliott]

The entire program and its underlying premises are ridiculous, impractical and cost-prohibitive, on all levels and in virtually all cases..
In any case where ejected cases can be captured (revolvers, single-shots, bolt-actions, pump guns, &c.), there may be somewhere between scant and no evidence to gather...
We .eed to make sure the requirement is never implimented...
Cost and ineffectiveness should cause it to go away, if we still lived in a sane and reasonable world..
Unfortunately, pseudo-intellectual liberals lock onto such misbegotten notions, and push them far beyond their usefulness or the limits of their Intended application...

[Don McDowell]

Micro stamping would only be a factor if you were doing something illegal with your firearm, otherwise it's a non issue.....

[AJMD429]

Micro stamping would only be a factor if you were doing something illegal with your firearm, otherwise it's a non issue.....

Whoa...! NOT true...!

That's like saying that "If you've nothing to hide, why would you object to the government monitoring all your conversations, or 'inspecting' your home whenever they wanted..."

The problem isn't that the program won't actually help catch criminals (they will typically be using stolen guns, government guns, or have enough sense to defeat whatever silly 'anti-crime' measures have been taken), nor that it will cost a bunch of money that could be used to do something useful against violent crime. The problem is twofold

• a) it encourages more of the public 'sheep mindset' that keeps getting us into mess-after-mess, in everything from education and the economy, to crime and health-care.
  
  b) it facilitates a 'registration' scheme and establishes the premise that not only can 'guns' be registered (and potentially thus confiscated for no real reason), but so can 'parts'.

Where can such a process end, other than a totalitarian police-state....??????

So, as Buck Elliott said. . .

We need to make sure the requirement is never implimented...
Cost and ineffectiveness should cause it to go away, if we still lived in a sane and reasonable world..
Unfortunately, pseudo-intellectual liberals lock onto such misbegotten notions, and push them far beyond their usefulness or the limits of their Intended application...

[Malamute]

I'd be profoundly surprised if it could even function as described. Make, model and serial nmber on the tip of the firing pin, and leaving enough legible imprint on a primer indentation to be readable. Sounds more like science fiction or dreaming.

Still, if one was concerned about it, (in case it ever came to pass), firing pins for AR's are $10 from Brownells. Go buy a couple.

[El Chivo]

well, if you go the range and leave 100 microstamped cases on the ground, who knows there they might end up. Collected by a criminal to scatter at the scene, collected by law enforcement to "solve" a case. Take them to a recycler, he might keep some to give to his buddies. How are you going to wriggle out of that one?

[Rusty]

Why buy a new one when 3 minutes with an electric drill and a wad of steel wool will FIX the old one.

Beside whatever happened to CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW?

[Don McDowell]

Some among us have a real problem with shadows,and probably sleep with a light on...
Don't be robbing any banks or doing any driveby's, and clean up after your sloppy butt at the range and there really is no problem...

[Buck Elliott]

Ah, Don.. If our current world were only that simple..

And No, I'm not paranoid.. "They" really are after us.....!

[AJMD429]

Since over the past 100 years or so, an average of something around 5,000 humans per day have been killed by their own police and military (more than by criminals, terrorists, and wars combined), it isn't exactly paranoid to worry about the potential misuse of government power.

We've been lucky so far in this nation, because we started out with quite a bit more freedom than any other nation, and our Bill of Rights was intended to put in writing that the balance of power be heavily in favor of the citizen.

One of the great tragedies of this century is likely to be having this "last bastion of freedom" willingly (perhaps 'eagerly' is a better word given our current electorate) transition through being a mediocre European-lite nation, and finally become a socialist police-state.

[Don McDowell]

Well Buck maybe in other places they might have the problems, but those of us fortunate enough to call this place home aren't to likely to ever have to worry about it. I've still got several fired cases that come with the Ruger guns to turn into the New Jersey/Massachusets or whereever gestapo.... If they think they need those cases they can feel free to come and get em..
Still pretty simple tho don't be shootin nuthin you shouldn't be and pretty likely nobody is coming to look at the gun....

[JerryB]

Right you are Buck !!! I don't carry a gun because I am paranoid, why should I be paranoid I carry a gun. If only the world was that simple, it may be on your spread Don but not every where in our U.S.A.

[Don McDowell]

Since over the past 100 years or so, an average of something around 5,000 humans per day have been killed by their own police and military (more than by criminals, terrorists, and wars combined), it isn't exactly paranoid to worry about the potential misuse of government power.

We've been lucky so far in this nation, because we started out with quite a bit more freedom than any other nation, and our Bill of Rights was intended to put in writing that the balance of power be heavily in favor of the citizen.

One of the great tragedies of this century is likely to be having this "last bastion of freedom" willingly (perhaps 'eagerly' is a better word given our current electorate) transition through being a mediocre European-lite nation, and finally become a socialist police-state.

Doc howscome it is all you paranoid freedom freaks squakin about loosing this right and that one are always from some state that sends a handful of democrats to Washington , the rest of us have to try and clean up behind?
Tell ya what, you quit sending democrats to DC,,, I might consider giving you credibility.

[Don McDowell]

Jerry the state of Wyoming is some 300 miles square, I can take any and all of my guns anywhere I care to , I can travel to adjoining states and regularly do with firearms and tons of ammo.
You guys need to live somewhere where democrats don't rule, then maybe you can let up on the lithium pills....

[DixieBoy]

This whole microstamping deal is nothing more than not-so-stealthy gun control. It is exceedingly expensive for smaller manufacturers to incorporate into their processes, and so, by default, the government gets to ruin a few firearms manufacturers, all the while, claiming that "it's for the children" or whatever nonsense they're selling this week.

Not only will microstamping NOT work as a crime solving tool - for the reasons stated above - but it hold huge potential for abuse, also noted above. I don't think a person needs to be paranoid in order to see absolutely no good in this scheme, and lots of potential for abuse. Buck's right: "they" really are out to get us. The sooner we wake up and realize this the better off we'll all be. - DixieBoy

[JerryB]

Don, You have no idea of how I live here in North Arkansaw, here we have the right to own and carry firearms and ammo just like you do. I to am an American citizen with the same rights you have.

[DixieBoy]

Don - You've thrown a couple of low blows here. Almost every state has some cretins who've gone to DC as our "representatives" and done damage, or tried to. Wyoming may be one of the very few exceptions.

Heck, the Dakotas sent that awful twit Tom Daschle to the senate for years. Even Montana has that idiot Baucus or whatever his name is, in the senate.

Most of us do the absolute best we can where it is that we live. Would you have ALL of us gun lovers move to Wyoming ? I doubt it.
Then you'd be griping about us cluttering up your state. Despite the fact that I'd guess most of us are at least as conservative in our beliefs than you are, maybe more so. I know that I am.

I study history. That's why I believe that politicians always bear close watching. And should recieve NO trust until they've earned it. - DixieBoy

[Don McDowell]

Very little good ever comes from beuracratic edicts, but there are some of them that are totally no trouble, provided you keep your nose clean.
So can someone tell me if you have a microstamped firing pin, what makes that any different than the serial number of the gun inscribed not only on the action, but in many cases on most major parts as well?
Besides all that they're going to know your plastic ammo waster's serial number falls with in the range of production that is supposed to have a microstamped firing pin. So what do you suppose they'll do when they find out the gun no longer has the microstamped firing pin....
Keep sending democrats to D.C and "they" will get worse....Stop the flow of democrats and lets see what we can do about uncorking some of the nonsense regs....

Dixie , no lowblows, just the facts. Quit sending democrats to legislate, and things will start to get better....

Keep in mind if they go thru with the microstamping thing that micros stamp will coincide with the guns serial number,,, will they decided that nail is defacing the serial number??? Lots to think about.
Best to get on the letter writing campain to your DC reps and Senators and see what they have in mind to stop it... I'm pretty sure I know what our DC delegations will have to say about it.

[El Chivo]

when everyone is out to get you, paranoia is just smart thinking

[AJMD429]

Tell ya what, you quit sending democrats to DC,,, I might consider giving you credibility.

I'll have to give the same answer Old Savage would probably give about Kalifornia - it's my fellow LibTard/Welfare/Union citizens who are voting for all them Democrats. Maybe you all could move here for just a couple of years and out-vote them with us, or skeer 'em off with all those guns...

If I didn't live on a farm that's been in the family for over 100 years, I think I'd be out there somewhere remote already. Too old at this point to move, though. I guess somebody has to be on the 'front lines' politically, although I guess compared to me, the folks living on the coasts are in the really hot-zone.

[Don McDowell]

AJM are you on a ballot for any elected office this year? And why not... There won't be any changes made in how this country works unless and until you guys sitting at home complaining about how bad things are get off your butts and get into a position where you can start to make the change on the local level. It's not easy, you'll catch alot of flack, but it can be done.

[Old Savage]

In the fantasy world of liberalism anything is possible as long as it makes them feel good which is the only real test they have for laws.

[jkbrea]

My personnal opinion is micro-stamping is worthless for the reasons they are stating they want it. As a LEO that has investigated lots of shootings and homicides, it won't help much. I can only imagine going to a crime scene where some idiots do a drive by and throw a few dozen extra casings around. Now all that has to be sent to a lab for processing that won't be cheap and prolong an investigation by contacting a whole lot of uninvolved people. I won't even get into what a half competant defense attorney could do in court to discredit that very expensive evidence. Heck, DNA evidence doesn't help in majority of cases where it is collected. Plus the turnaround time to get results in most cases is several months, sometimes a couple years because of case priorities and backlog. Micro-stamping is just a scam to further prohibit gun ownership by raising the costs of registering and purchasing. If you break or lose it, you'ld have to get a new one with a new number and have it entered in the system for a fee. It will add to the price of manufacturing that will be passed on to us. The only LEO's that promote it are higher ups with political ambitions.

Don, you may be a little rough on some, but I think I'm heading out your way when I retire.

[jnyork]

This whole microstamping deal is nothing more than not-so-stealthy gun control. It is exceedingly expensive for smaller manufacturers to incorporate into their processes, and so, by default, the government gets to ruin a few firearms manufacturers, all the while, claiming that "it's for the children" or whatever nonsense they're selling this week.

Not only will microstamping NOT work as a crime solving tool - for the reasons stated above - but it hold huge potential for abuse, also noted above. I don't think a person needs to be paranoid in order to see absolutely no good in this scheme, and lots of potential for abuse. Buck's right: "they" really are out to get us. The sooner we wake up and realize this the better off we'll all be. - DixieBoy

The winner.

[olyinaz]

Unfortunately, pseudo-intellectual liberals lock onto such misbegotten notions, and push them far beyond their usefulness or the limits of their Intended application...

Pretty much says it all right there.

Oly

[AJMD429]

AJMD are you on a ballot for any elected office this year? And why not... There won't be any changes made in how this country works unless and until you guys sitting at home complaining about how bad things are get off your butts and get into a position where you can start to make the change on the local level. It's not easy, you'll catch alot of flack, but it can be done.

At the moment, I'm engaged in a death-struggle with Anthem/Medicare, and working 60-65 hours a week just to come close to break-even in my practice (paycheck negative $834 or therabouts last month. . . before taxes. . . ). In the past though, I have spent many hours appearing in front of legislative bodies with testimony and evidence to support the "less gun control" approach, and continue to write individual letters to legislators both taking bad ones to task, and offering resources to the good ones to support their stance. I co-founded "Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws", which survived for about ten years, before falling victim of membership apathy. I do find and support pro-gun, pro-liberty politicians whenever possible, but find there are simply too few of my fellow citizens who actually support "freedom". Look how few "conservatives" stood up for Ron Paul, who was the only nominee who remotely resembled what our Founding Fathers intended government to be; so now we have a half-hearted RINO who probably won't even beat Obama, but if he does, will not be all that much better in terms of long-term effect.

[Don McDowell]

JKbrea come on out we've always got room for level headed folks, altho be forewarned the winters aren't quite what you're used to now
Aj lots of excuse there but danged little reason..... The only thing convervative about Paul was some of his monetary policy, the rest of him is about as left wing isolationist as it gets...

[AJMD429]

Aj lots of excuse there but danged little reason..... The only thing convervative about Paul was some of his monetary policy, the rest of him is about as left wing isolationist as it gets...

If the 'choice' offered is between the Patriot Act and the War on Drugs, the only rational answer is "none of the above", if you truly value freedom, and are willing to accept the responsibility necessary to earn that freedom.

[Don McDowell]

Nice cop out, but unless and until you are actually willing to put forth the effort to actually go out into the public arena and push for a more convervative sensable way of doing things, all you got is a lot of hot air filled bluster...

[AJMD429]

Nice cop out, but unless and until you are actually willing to put forth the effort to actually go out into the public arena and push for a more convervative sensable way of doing things, all you got is a lot of hot air filled bluster...

Aw, now ya done made me start cryin'...

Words can't express how inferior I feel; I'm going outside to live with the snail and centipedes.

Besides, any more discussion along these lines will just make Hobie have to move the thread to the 'Political' section, and he's probably got better things to do. (Come to think of it, I suppose since it involved 'microstamping', maybe the thread should have started out in the Political section...)

Anway, one thing* we DO have in common is we're both stubborn enough we aren't gonna change each other's opinion anyway.

(* I think we both dislike Democrats, too... )

[El Chivo]

AJM are you on a ballot for any elected office this year? And why not... There won't be any changes made in how this country works unless and until you guys sitting at home complaining about how bad things are get off your butts and get into a position where you can start to make the change on the local level. It's not easy, you'll catch alot of flack, but it can be done.

Very little good ever comes from beuracratic edicts, but there are some of them that are totally no trouble, provided you keep your nose clean.

Two contradictory statements from the same confused person.

[Old Ironsights]

Two truisms.

"If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide."

and

"Everyone is guilty of somthing... we just haven't decided what to charge you with yet..."

It will be interesting to see how opinions change when the mandate comes down to replace all firing pins in all cartridge firearms, antique or not, with a "microstamp compliant" registered firing pin.

Of course, that will also mean having "Microstamp Cops" present at all authorized shooting areas and competitions (and no shooting allowed elsewhere except for licensed hunting... for now) to check for compliance...

[Hobie]

With the number of laws passed on the number of subjects it has reached a point where it is likely that you have broken some law, whether or not you or a law enforcement official knows about it, every day you simply live your life. It MIGHT just be exceeding the speed limit by a mile or two per hour OR it may be that you've had too many people into your home too many times in the last month for bible study. When the public employees feel that a zoning violation warrants a swat team to make an arrest there's a problem. Such things happen everywhere and there are many we've never heard about. I sure wish that public servants remembered that they were public SERVANTS.

[AJMD429]

I sure wish that public servants remembered that they were public SERVANTS.

Yeah, I always wonder how many 'pro-gun' LEO's will fall for the duty-call when they are told "Old Man Smith is holed up in his house, and has reportedly been molesting children and killing Nuns and dealing drugs and selling machine-gun parts; he's armed and violent." Afterwards when they find out it was all a setup and the only thing he actually was guilty of was making the town dog-catcher mad, but the dog-catcher is the brother of the captain of the SWAT team, and he's gunning for an FBI position if he can just get a high-profile 'bust', the apology somehow doesn't 'fix' things, if it even comes. More likely they'll cover their butts by planting something illegal on the guy's corpse.