Possible new muzzleloader

barbarossa · Post by **barbarossa** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:57 am

I ve been getting back into muzzleloading lately as it was my first interest when I started shooting, actually it was the reason I got into shooting.So I ve decided to build up a battery of not so common muzzleloaders with the idea of hunting being the theme and with that in mind I m thinking on adding this one to my collection, a U.S. Calvalry carbine replica in 58cal.It has a 22 inch barrel with swivel ramrod and saddle ring and bar.I figure it will make a nice handy Deer gun in the brush where shots are no more than 50 yards or so plus this gun just has that neat factor going for it.What do you think.

walks with gun · Post by **walks with gun** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:02 am

I like it, who makes it. ?

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:29 am

That should do nicely

86er · Post by **86er** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:41 am

Very nice rifle.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:18 pm

I'm so partial to the Hawkins rifles that anything else looks funny! Although I gotta say, the Pennsylvania and Kentucky rifles are very fine also. That looks like it'll balance nicely. Smoothbore?

barbarossa · Post by **barbarossa** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:13 pm

No it s rifled.It has a custom Bob Hoyt barrel with shallow three groove rifling done in the old way.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:18 pm

Mmmmmm, I loves me some carbines! Go for it!

barbarossa wrote:swivel ramrod

What's a swivel ramrod?

barbarossa · Post by **barbarossa** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:37 pm

The ramrod is permanently attached to a lug under the barrel, in use it is withdrawn and swivels out toward the bore and then replaced in a like fashion.They were designed so that while loading on horseback you didn t have to worry about losing the ramrod .

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:02 pm

Most aggreable

N.

junkbug · Post by **junkbug** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:20 pm

For the last few years, I have wanted a replica of a Lorenz calvary Carbine, riled, approx. .71 caliber, with a 14.5 in barrel. I've seen a few originals I could almost afford, but don't want to do alot of shooting with a 150 year old gun.

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/p ... category=4

Kind of like this one. But a replica.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:24 pm

Hey barbarossa.. Me too...That is a cool rifle... Very handy!...I’ve wanted one about that size but in smoothbore....I believe Nath has a very similar looking gun to what you have posted a pic of..(a smooth bore 58 cal Enfield I believe) that I keep an eye out for... I’ve read 50 yd accuracy with a smoothbore can be gotten down to the 3-4 inch range with patched round ball ... good enough for busting bambi...but also capable of birds , rabbits or whatever with shot.. Versatile....I’d like a .69 cal smoothbore though...That’s like a 16ga... Nobody offers one that I know of... Well, Dixie offers a smoothbore caplock in 69... a replicated a caplock conversion of the 1816 flintlock smooth bore pictured below but with a whopping 42 in long bbl.. I day dream of having one cut down (Whitacre’s?) a foot to get a 30 in. bbl...

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:32 pm

Yes Ben !

My Enfield smooth will take a rabbit very often to 40yds, head shot!

Longest rabbit was 60 paces (not head shot!).

N.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:55 pm

Nice pic Nath.. I like that one!..Yes very cool what you do with your smoothbore... Hey junkbug... Here's a pic of what your carbine in the link looked like before the conversion to caplock.. The pic is from a 1933 Bannerman catalogue I have...I'd love to find one of 'em.. I imagine they were feared!!

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:04 pm

barbarossa wrote:The ramrod is permanently attached to a lug under the barrel, in use it is withdrawn and swivels out toward the bore and then replaced in a like fashion.They were designed so that while loading on horseback you didn t have to worry about losing the ramrod .

OK, thanks! Now I gotta get visions of these short BP burners out of my head...

jcw · Post by **jcw** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:24 pm

SWEET !!!

Hawkeye2 · Post by **Hawkeye2** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:13 pm

"The ramrod is permanently attached to a lug under the barrel, in use it is withdrawn and swivels out toward the bore and then replaced in a like fashion.They were designed so that while loading on horseback you didn t have to worry about losing the ramrod "

This is one gun where you don't want to forget to remove the rammer from the barrel before firing.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:49 am

Hawkeye2 wrote:"The ramrod is permanently attached to a lug under the barrel, in use it is withdrawn and swivels out toward the bore and then replaced in a like fashion.They were designed so that while loading on horseback you didn t have to worry about losing the ramrod "

This is one gun where you don't want to forget to remove the rammer from the barrel before firing.

I never thought of that

!!

N.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:07 am

Navy Arms had the similar Buffalo Hunter, but blued with a shorter forestock - an altered 1863 Remington Zoave clone, made in Italy, IIRC.

http://www.navyarms.com/files/buffalohunter.pdf

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Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:13 am

Nice looking carbine. I had an article years back that was titled something like ONE MAN'S QUEST FOR AN ACCURATE MUSKET. A fellow was looking for a rifled musket to use on a pronghorn hunt. He found out that as he increased the powder charge accuracy went up, but he got to a point where the skirt was blowing out on the Minie ball. He ended up having to turn down the plug to increse the thickness of the skirt. IIRC he ended up with a load that was on par with a .45-70 load and he got his pronghorn.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:36 pm

barbarossa wrote:I ve been getting back into muzzleloading lately as it was my first interest when I started shooting, actually it was the reason I got into shooting.So I ve decided to build up a battery of not so common muzzleloaders with the idea of hunting being the theme and with that in mind I m thinking on adding this one to my collection, a U.S. Calvalry carbine replica in 58cal.It has a 22 inch barrel with swivel ramrod and saddle ring and bar.I figure it will make a nice handy Deer gun in the brush where shots are no more than 50 yards or so plus this gun just has that neat factor going for it.What do you think.

Those are neat. There's a few originals in Cody, and I like the looks better than most. You do need to put a "coffee mill" (really a grain mill for foraging) in the stock though.

Who sells that?

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:41 pm

What's not to like?

I have a modelst collection of ML's... but I haven't dirtied their bores for some time... gotta change that after we move.

barbarossa · Post by **barbarossa** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:42 pm

Well boys I went and did it, I bought the carbine.Lucky for me I have a couple of 58cal minie moulds and a round ball mould on hand to start with hopefully I will get her so I will have enough time to play with before the hunting season(as I have to import her here to Canada)One good thing about this gun is as it has a Bob Hoyt custom barrel that is rifled with the same twist etc as the originals so it should do well in the accuracy dept.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:29 pm

Congrats.. You got a dandy!

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:11 pm

barbarossa wrote:Well boys I went and did it, I bought the carbine.Lucky for me I have a couple of 58cal minie moulds and a round ball mould on hand to start with hopefully I will get her so I will have enough time to play with before the hunting season(as I have to import her here to Canada)One good thing about this gun is as it has a Bob Hoyt custom barrel that is rifled with the same twist etc as the originals so it should do well in the accuracy dept.

aaaarrRGGGHHHHHH!

You still haven't told us where you bought it FROM!

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:18 pm

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barbarossa · Post by **barbarossa** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:57 pm

I bought it from Track of the Wolf a fellow named Richard Hanson makes them and sells the carbines on their website from time to time.There was one just like mine on there quite a while ago but it was in 69 cal and I decided 69 cal in a 7 pound gun was not for me.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:29 pm

barbarossa wrote:I bought it from Track of the Wolf a fellow named Richard Hanson makes them and sells the carbines on their website from time to time.There was one just like mine on there quite a while ago but it was in 69 cal and I decided 69 cal in a 7 pound gun was not for me.

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