Subsonic 223 and 308 bolt rifles !

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:02 pm

I got started with my gunsmith buddies new Remington 700 Tactical 20" threaded barrel 223 with a can on it as well as another friends new Savage Model 11 Hog Hunter in 308 WIN thats also threaded for a can but we don't have the adapter yet .

Started with the 223 first . I had loaded 15 rounds with the Hornady 60 grain V Max and 4 grains of Trailboss . With the can on the rifle all you could hear with our hearing protection off was the bullet hitting the paper .
I Chrony'd seven rounds and got an average of 815 FPS . Next trip I'll try some with 5 grains and some more with 6 grains of Trailboss .

Shot the Savage Hog Hunter without the can and even without hearing protection it sounded no louder then a standard velocity 22 LR . In that just for a start I had loaded the Nosler 200 grain Accubond pushed with 12 grains of Trailboss and got an average velocity of 930 FPS . Think next trip I'll try that one with 13 and 15 grains and a less expensive 200 grain bullet .

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:18 pm

It is really NICE to be able to shoot without hearing protectors; our ancestors largely shot subsonic rounds, and much can be done with them in terms of all the shooting applications:

Community Defense
Home Defense
Personal Defense
Hunting
Target Shooting

Certainly, Personal or Home Defense use isn't something we hope to actually pull triggers doing very often, and for Community Defense, power and range expectations would make suppressed firearms still rather loud, but at least not as dangerous without hearing protection. Same for much hunting, but not all. Certainly the MAJORITY of rounds I fire are none of those categories, however, as 'Target Shooting' encompasses all the practice rounds one shoots for any of the other gun uses.

Anyway, we need more suppressors out there; they're just another safety accessory, and it's a shame the news media demonizes them, and our forefathers were too selfish to fight the NFA 'tax' on them. (Like many shooters today, they evidently felt that if a gun law didn't directly inconvenience their enjoyment of the 'hobby' of shooting, it was ok - despite the concept of the principle of not passing useless symbolic laws, or counterproductive ones, and despite the foundational nature of the Second Amendment - which is most definitely NOT about 'sporting use').

Someday, I want to get a 9mm can and put it on a .357 levergun, or get one with an integrally suppressed barrel. The Ruger 77/357 might be another good candidate for that, though, even though the lever's on the side...

Quiet guns don't have to 'look weird', either...

Classic vintage Marlin 62 -

Classic vintage Winchester 88 -

Suppressed Ruger 96/22 - (yeah I know some can't stand red-dot sights, but kids love 'em)

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:36 pm

The 3 of us are fooling with this strictly for hunting reasons !

I have no intentions of buying any of my own . But being as I'm doing the work it's already been agreed I can use either of the 308's (my friend with the 223 I shot today has a 308 coming in the same configuration) during the damage control hunting this year . The guy that owns the peach orchard we hunt around has this bad habit of sticking his head out the door and yelling to ask us what we got before he even gives me a chance to find it and make sure it's dead . To say nothing of kinda killing the possibility for a second animal because his rather loud mouth scared them away !

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:18 pm

Any idea what kind of accuracy you're getting on those?

Jr. just got rid of a 700 SPC or SPS whatever it was and the twist would only stabilize 45 and 55 grain bullets. Any more than that and the groups got real big real fast.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:18 pm

Rusty wrote:Any idea what kind of accuracy you're getting on those?

Jr. just got rid of a 700 SPC or SPS whatever it was and the twist would only stabilize 45 and 55 grain bullets. Any more than that and the groups got real big real fast.

This is the tactical 700 with the 20" threaded barrel and I believe it's 1-9 twist so 60 work just fine . I may even get some of the Sierra 65 grain ProHunters later .

When I did the clocking I was shooting at 25 yards just to be safe with the brand new Chrony and they were going in the same hole . We shot a group at 50 yards for 3 shots that was about 3/4" and they still looked fine .

Didn't try the 223 at 100 today but thats only a matter of time . The 308 Savage did very nicely at 25 and 50 as well . But at 100 we got a bit of yawing . I'm hoping a bump in velocity will straighten that out !

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:30 pm

The one Jr. had was 1in 12. Terrible twist!

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:07 pm

I was harvesting rabbits at night with a flash light from my car, buddy shooting my Rem sps tac in 308. It beats 22lr in a gale! 18grn h4227 and a Speer 170 grn FP.

Good work.

Nath.

piller · Post by **piller** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:32 pm

The .45 ACP is subsonic, and lends itself pretty well to noise reducers. More sound reduction would be a great thing for all of us. I don't know anything about the accuracy of subsonic .223 or .308, but the .45 ACP can be as accurate as anyone can shoot it. I have a Blackhawk with 2 cylinders, and the .45 ACP cylinder gives accuracy that is nothing short of amazing.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:48 pm

Biggest problem with suppressing a 1911 is the barrel linkage (don't ask) Fixed barrels work much better.

That said, most "enlightened" (but generally anti-gun) countries recognize the utility of moderators.

We live in a Dumb political tidewater...

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:53 pm

If I can get them shooting well enough at about 80 yards to shoot deer and get enough pentration and expansion with the subsonic bullets my friends plan on buying I'll be happy .

As to any of the tactical reasons I'm not intrested .

I plain and simple like to kill deer be it with a big boomer or one of these little fellers with a can IF it works okay .

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:56 pm

6pt-sika wrote:If I can get them shooting well enough at about 80 yards to shoot deer and get enough pentration and expansion with the subsonic bullets my friends plan on buying I'll be happy .

As to any of the tactical reasons I'm not intrested .

I plain and simple like to kill deer be it with a big boomer or one of these little fellers with a can IF it works okay .

Ever try downloading a .45-70 to subsonic? Oh, wait, they already are.

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:24 pm

I have shot a few deer with suppressed weapons (mostly crop damage permits) from a MP-5SD to M-16s, M-14s, bolt guns in 308 and 300 WIN MAG and .22 LR in pistols to put them down after they were injured. Nothing worked as well as a modified Ruger bolt gun in .44 MAG shooting .44 spl. So quite you hear the bullet plop into meat. For the .308 suppressed loads we used Hornady 220 grain RN loaded subsonic. I even adjusted a .35 Rem Marlin to take a suppressor but haven’t loaded and subsonic ammo for it yet as I haven’t been home for a while. I don't have a photo of the Ruger .44 with me.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:00 pm

Just got back from the 2nd trip to the range with the can guns !

The can !

The Remington 700 Tactical 223 !

Got the following data today with the 223 and the Hornady 60 grain V MAX

Trailboss 4.2 grains 956 FPS for 3 shots
Trailboss 4.5 grains 997 FPS for 3 shots
Trailboss 4.7 grains 1031 FPS for 3 shots
Trailboss 5.0 grains 990 FPS for 3 shots

I wanna try 4.5 , 4.7 and 5.0 again . The reading for 5 grains looks suspect to me .

The Savage 308 Hog Hunter !

Got the following data today with the 308 and the Nosler 200 grain AccuBond !
Trailboss 13 grains 1049 FPS for 3 shots
Trailboss 13.5 grains 1064 FPS for 3 shots
Trailboss 14 grains 1099 FPS for 3 shots
Trailboss 14.5 grains 1142 FPS for 3 shots

Now I need to decide which two loads for each rifle and start making a table for actual POI after getting a 50 yard dead on zero .

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:13 pm

Paladin wrote:

Now see, This is something I like... And would love to do to my .357...

Wouldn't mind a can on my HK91 either...

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:53 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
Paladin wrote:
Now see, This is something I like... And would love to do to my .357...

Wouldn't mind a can on my HK91 either...

Nope not for me .

I'll go along with the bolt guns and the can , but I ain't even crazy about them either .

Now this may all change once I've tested them for myself on four legged living creatures .

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:44 pm

[quote="Paladin"]I have shot a few deer with suppressed weapons (mostly crop damage permits) from a MP-5SD to M-16s, M-14s, bolt guns in 308 and 300 WIN MAG quote]

Paladin, how well did the 300 Win Mag do when suppressed ? Did you still need hearing protection ? -- i know you cant take those bruisers down subsonic -- (asking because i have a spare Weatherby in .300 Weatherby that i cant stand to shoot its so noisy )

Another customer at my local class 3 emporium told me to buy a .30 caliber can, as it will work on 5.56 as well -- have you tried this? (this would be assuming both were threaded 1/2 x28

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:59 pm

Had the 700 TAC 223 out to the range today along with the Savage 308 Hogger and for the first time the 700 308 TAC .

It was a little cooler then the last time and foggy .

The 223 with the Hornady 60 grain V MAX and 4.5 grains of Trailboss shot nicely at 50 and 100 yards . It also clocked 1000 FPS avg for the 6 shots I ran over the Chrony today . With a dead on POI at 50 yards I have to hold two Tac dots under the cross hairs at 100 yards to get dead on . My 100 yard groups with this one were in the 2 inch range but still close enough for what it will be used for I think . Sorry no pics of these groups .

The 700 308 TAC has not been threaded yet for the silencer . But I shot some groups with it just the same . It was clocking about 975 FPS average with the Sierra 220 grain round nose and 13.5 grains of Trailboss . I need to change to Leupold low rings for this one and shim the scope a hair as the Redfield Revolution 4-12 doesn't have quite enough adjustment . Hoepfully we'll be able to go forward with this one next week agter the barrels rethreaded and I have the scope to my liking .

The Savage Model 11 Hog Hunter 308 shot very well today . I have it dead on at 100 yards as per request of the owner and it shoots about 10 inches high at 50 yards . Below are a few groups I shot with it today this one was tried with 13.5 and 14 grains of Trailboss . I got 965 for the 13.5 grains avg and 980 for the 14 grains of Trailboss avg .

5 shots at 50 yards with 13.5 grains Trailboss and the Sierra 220 grain RN .

3 shots 100 yards with 13.5 Trailboss and the Sierra 220 RN .

3 shots with 14 Trailboss and the Sierra 220 RN at 50 yards ,

3 shots at 100 yards with 14 grains Trailboss and the 220 grain Sierra RN .

I'm thinking I might boost the 220 Sierra with maybe 14.5 graons of Trailboss and shoot for something in the 1020-1040 FPS range .

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:29 pm

Hey 6 pt,

I'm thinking that velocity won't mater that much because at sub sonic you won't be getting any expansion at all. What do ya think?

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:41 pm

Rusty wrote:Hey 6 pt,

I'm thinking that velocity won't mater that much because at sub sonic you won't be getting any expansion at all. What do ya think?

My friend that owns the 223 and 308 700's isn't overly concerned about expansion as he "thinks" he's going to do head shots on everything he shoots at . He's killed one deer in his life and that was last year . From 40 plus years of deer hunting experience head shots on deer ain't always a gimme outside of 50 yards .

My other friend that owns the 308 Savage Hogger is kinda like me and intrested in expansion (hence my thinking that a 44 MAG might be a better choice as it's already .429"+ so expansion isn't as critical since you're already a large diameter).My friend that owns the Savage has looked into several custom bullet makes that deal with this type thing and I've been pushing the idea of soft cast bullets . Now I must admit I personally wouldn't be afraid to try head shots with the Savage and the 220 Sierra inside 75 yards if I had a steady rest .
By waht I saw from some of the bullet makers that claim to make good subsonic hunting bullets they got adequate expansion at 25 , 50 , 75 and 100 yards . But all I've done with rifles in expansion tests , velocity tests etc make me question this an awfull lot . In the next month or two I expect to do some wet newspaper pennetration/expansion tests . I suspect my freind with the Savage will sell it to another mutual friend and then go to a Contender in 44 MAG with a can and about a 300 grain cast bullet . Whatever is decided I'm pretty much as far as I can go until we test the bullet in wet paper etc .

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:44 pm

There were two companies that showed really good expansion with subsonic bullets .

One was a company called "Outlaw Bullets" I believe somewhere in Washington or Oregon . And the other was a company I found of the Corbin bullet making equipment website and I cannot remmemeber their name .

Both had pics they claimed of their bullets opening well at 100 yards . And even though I believe they wouldn't print it if it wasn't atleast partially true I wanna see it for myself with ammo I LOADED MYSELF !

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:48 pm

Another thing that enters into the equation is this .

Say we are getting good expansion at 100 yards with subsonic loads . The bullet at 100 yards has to have dropped to 800 FPS or less , penetration thru meat and muscle is not the issue but rather whats going to happen if your angle is off a little or your shot is off a little and you hit the big ball joint in a deer's shoulder . IS the bullet going to hold together well enough to break that bone and go 4-6 inches further ?

There ARE alotta "IF's" in this whole scenario

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:13 pm

The above fox was shot with a sub load from my 308, it struck it's back first shot other wise it would of run, just like the other one!
It took another two shots to end it!

The other one was through the ribs, never found it !

N.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:20 pm

Nath one of your countryman was in the shop back last august or spetember and he showed me pics of his suppressor rifles . Think he had a 243 WIN and a 7mm-08 and well as I can remmemebr he said he shot regular velocity rounds with the can on his rifles for deer be it Roe , Sika or Red's .

Now what you say about thru the ribs and not finding it is what kinda bothers me about this whole thing using a 223 or 308 subsonic . I still believe the 44 MAG at sunsonic may have enough surface to the front of the bullet that expansion isn't as critical .

CalvinMD · Post by **CalvinMD** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:39 pm

Im thinking I need some trailboss...I'm not going to do suppressed work but my backyard critters might really have a problem with those lil hardcast Hornet loads that I'm guessing would be fairly quiet and cheaper than the 22 and 17 mags

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:45 pm

I have no idea but would pick the 44m for this role over my 308 with sub loads!

Maybe just maybe an explosive type of bullet in a 308 sub load!! V-max, A-max, TNT, Speer Hpoint and the Speer 130 FP.

Lot's of folk use them over her with normal loads. Saves the ears and upset the neighbours less.

I FOR ONE WILL CONTINUE TO EDUCATE THE NEIGHBOURS THAT LOUD GUNSHOT NOISES ARE NORMAL IN THE COUNTRY!

N

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:46 pm

CalvinMD wrote:Im thinking I need some trailboss...I'm not going to do suppressed work but my backyard critters might really have a problem with those lil hardcast Hornet loads that I'm guessing would be fairly quiet and cheaper than the 22 and 17 mags

"If" you keep your loads below 1100 FPS and without a suppressor they sound no louder then a stadard velocity 22LR no crack like a 22LR High Velocity !

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:48 pm

CalvinMD wrote:Im thinking I need some trailboss...I'm not going to do suppressed work but my backyard critters might really have a problem with those lil hardcast Hornet loads that I'm guessing would be fairly quiet and cheaper than the 22 and 17 mags

A case full of BL-C2 or a slower powder in a Hornet will give strong 22lr performance.

N.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:49 pm

Nath wrote:I have no idea but would pick the 44m for this role over my 308 with sub loads!

Maybe just maybe an explosive type of bullet in a 308 sub load!! V-max, A-max, TNT, Speer Hpoint and the Speer 130 FP.

We called Nosler a couple weeks ago and asked if ANY of their 22 cal bullets would open at subsonice and they gave us an emphatic NO !!!!!!

So I assume the Hornady 60 grain V Max in the 223 at subsonic will be the same .

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:54 pm

Streetstar wrote:
Paladin wrote:I have shot a few deer with suppressed weapons (mostly crop damage permits) from a MP-5SD to M-16s, M-14s, bolt guns in 308 and 300 WIN MAG quote]

Paladin, how well did the 300 Win Mag do when suppressed ? Did you still need hearing protection ? -- i know you cant take those bruisers down subsonic -- (asking because i have a spare Weatherby in .300 Weatherby that i cant stand to shoot its so noisy )

Another customer at my local class 3 emporium told me to buy a .30 caliber can, as it will work on 5.56 as well -- have you tried this? (this would be assuming both were threaded 1/2 x28

The can on the 300 mag makes it a lot better (I still wear plugs w/o muffs on top) but haven’t shot it much, on my buddies 338 Lapua it make a vast difference. The 30 cal can work pretty well on the .223 for the muzzel blast out in the field away from structure it really helps.
On a whim I help build the .35 Rem so I could use a larger bullet subsonic through a 9mm high pressure can, it shoots really well with a red dot sight and for standard ammo is just a bit over the ear safe point and the sound does not carry very far.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:11 pm

Streetstar wrote:Another customer at my local class 3 emporium told me to buy a .30 caliber can, as it will work on 5.56 as well -- have you tried this? (this would be assuming both were threaded 1/2 x28

We have muzzle brake adapter looking thing and shoot a 30 cal can on both the 30's and the 223 .

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:36 pm

6pt-sika wrote:
Nath wrote:I have no idea but would pick the 44m for this role over my 308 with sub loads!

Maybe just maybe an explosive type of bullet in a 308 sub load!! V-max, A-max, TNT, Speer Hpoint and the Speer 130 FP.

We called Nosler a couple weeks ago and asked if ANY of their 22 cal bullets would open at subsonice and they gave us an emphatic NO !!!!!!

So I assume the Hornady 60 grain V Max in the 223 at subsonic will be the same .

I try to assume nothing! Especially a stranger on the phone!

N

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:19 pm

Yes that is very true !

There has been talk in the shop today about getting a couple pork buts and trying bullet expansion in them from 50 and 75 yards with the ss 308 load .

And then it gravitated to possibly a live goat at 75 yards since one og these fellows likes roasted goat .

CalvinMD · Post by **CalvinMD** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:37 pm

I bet the trailboss would be sweet in my old 32-20 too....my neighbors are super tolerant and happy I eliminate pests..especially when we have outbreaks of rabid animals cruising through...but i want and need to be quiet as reasonably possible out of respect for them...so sub-sonic is the only way to go for me...Thanks 6pt...been sick a while but nice to be back

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:57 pm

I doubt any bullet is going to offer any expansion at all at subsonic levels. Your best bet might be a flat nosed soft cast bullet in .30 cal.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:16 pm

Rusty wrote:I doubt any bullet is going to offer any expansion at all at subsonic levels. Your best bet might be a flat nosed soft cast bullet in .30 cal.

They're screwed on that note then because I have no intention of casting for this or much less wasting lead on the whole proposition .

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:42 pm

Rusty wrote:I doubt any bullet is going to offer any expansion at all at subsonic levels. Your best bet might be a flat nosed soft cast bullet in .30 cal.

Thats a fair point, a pure lead checked may be the ticket.

Or how about a reversed bullet? Check it out, lots of reading on it.
Here is a little sample;

http://forums.theboxotruth.com/showthre ... ds-bullets

Nath.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:50 pm

Well I just got a bit of good news of sorts in this ongoing battle in futility as I sometimes think of it !

I have a friend that has a rather large black angus operation about 10 miles from here and his farm manager is also a good friend . Anyway we got the word today should they have any recently dead (in last couple hours) cows we will get a call to come over and test the subsonic loads in the carcass before they bury it and of course open it to see what the bullet did .

I'm thinking if it's a decent sized heifer or steer we oughtta be able to get 4 shots that don't run into each other . One at 25 , 50 , 75 and 100 yards

Incidently the owner of this operation is something of a big hunter and sporting clays shooter that also has a keen intrest in subsonic as a deer culling tool on his farm . Hence the openness to allow this uhm adventure

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:07 pm

Rusty wrote:The one Jr. had was 1in 12. Terrible twist!

Yeah, mine's 1-12 also. It shoots 45gr varmint grenades pretty good though!

Oly

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:13 pm

6pt-sika wrote:There were two companies that showed really good expansion with subsonic bullets .

One was a company called "Outlaw Bullets" I believe somewhere in Washington or Oregon . And the other was a company I found of the Corbin bullet making equipment website and I cannot remmemeber their name .

Both had pics they claimed of their bullets opening well at 100 yards . And even though I believe they wouldn't print it if it wasn't atleast partially true I wanna see it for myself with ammo I LOADED MYSELF !

I would really like to see this!

Oly

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:09 am

Seems there's goning to be a third 308 rifle entered into the equation now .

Another friends ordered one of the short barreled Howa 308's with the 10 round removable clip . And if it shoots this one will get threaded for a silencer .

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:33 am

Got some "TrueShot" 30 cal 200 grain RN GC cast bullets to try in the Savage Hog Hunter . Dunno if I'll get any of these loaded tonight or not .

I suspect these things are gonna be as hard to mushroom as the jacketed ones .

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:33 pm

Hmmmm.

N.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:49 pm

Made the trip to the range today as planned !

Shot the Savage Hog Hunter 308 first .

With the Sierra 220 grainer and 14.5 grains of Trailboss I was getting a 1013 FPS average for 6 shots .
With the Sierra 220 and 15 grains of Trailboss I got an average of 1041 FPS for 6 shots .

With the True Shot 200 grain RN GC bullet and 13 grains of Trailboss I got an average of 1291 FPS for 6 shots .
With True Shot 200 grain RN GC bullet and 13.5 grains of Trailboss I got an average of 1302 FPS for 6 shots .

With the Remington 700 Tac 308 and the Sierra 220 with 13.5 grains of Trailboss I got an average of 963 FPS for 6 shots . With 14.5 grains of Trailboss I got an average of 1017 FPS for 6 shots . And finally with 15 grains of Trailboss I got a 6 shot average of 1070 FPS .

With the Remington 700 Tac in 223 with the Hornady 60 grain V Max I got a 6 shot average with 4.5 grains of Trailboss of 963 FPS . With 4.7 grains of Trailboss my average for 6 shots was 1017 FPS and finally my average again for 6 shots with 5 grains of Trailboss was 1096 .

All the jacketed loads are looking pretty decent in both 308's with the 220 Sierra and in the 223 with the 60 V Max . Need to do some more with the Trueshot bullet in the Savage . And I'll most likely be trying the Nosler 60 grain Ballistic Tip in the 223 to replace the V Max .

The Howa 308 with the 20" pipe and the 10 round detachable mag arrived today but I didn't have time to mess with it (next week) !

But all in all other then expansion/penetration tests I am looking at about two more weeks and I just might be done !

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:07 am

Nath wrote:

The above fox was shot with a sub load from my 308, it struck it's back first shot other wise it would of run, just like the other one!
It took another two shots to end it!

The other one was through the ribs, never found it !

N.

Showed this pic to my parents.

Mom thought it was me, Dad took a minute or two to ASK if it was me...

We really have to get out together some time...

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:14 am

Hey 6 pt,

Any info as to accuracy and muzzle report without the can? Sounds like yer on the right road.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:04 am

Rusty wrote:Hey 6 pt,

Any info as to accuracy and muzzle report without the can? Sounds like yer on the right road.

My friend that has the two 700's has them threaded for this flash suppressor thing with the same thread pattern so we can switch the can back and forth . He also LocTights them on . Anyway I had been using his flash suppressor for the 308 on the Savage until his 700 finally arrived . Last trip I fired the Savage without the can . The jacketed loads sounded like a standerd velocity 22LR same as before . But the cast bullet loads that were 1200-1350FPS cracked pretty well .

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:07 am

As to accuracy with or without the can in a given rifle with the same load , about the only difference I've noticed is a change in the POI . "Generally" if I was sighted in without the can at say 50 yards and then screwed the can back on and fired the same load again it typically would be about an inch low and an inch left .

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:34 pm

Thanks, I keep thinking about one of Those EBR things which I really don't care for then I think about a nice bolt action .223 and it seems to raise my heart rate. That Savage hog rifle is starting to look better and better all the time.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:58 pm

Rusty wrote:Thanks, I keep thinking about one of Those EBR things which I really don't care for then I think about a nice bolt action .223 and it seems to raise my heart rate. That Savage hog rifle is starting to look better and better all the time.

You can get the Savage Hogger in 223 as well .

Hopefully yhte Howa with the 10 shot magazine will be here early next week as well .

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:57 am

Well a third friend added another 308 to the mix !

Hopefully this one will like the load I'm shooting in the 700 Tac 308 with the 220 Sierra .

This thing is the Howa 1500 20" barrel with 10 round removable mag that Jerry's has on special right now for a tad less the $375 dealer cost

Just mounted MY old Leupold VariX III 6.5-20x on top to test the loads as my friend that owns this rifle has nothing bigger then a 2-7 .

We're heading to the range tommorrow morning so hopefully I can finish up with the pair of Remington 700 Tac's and quite possibly this Howa if it shoots the load I already have worked up .

Then that'll only leave me with the Savage Hogger and the cast bullets to see if we can get ANY expansion at subsonic . Incidently I got the Lee Expander this morning so I'll be shooting the Savage again tommorrow as well !