POLITICS - Governors Ask Bush for Help

Kansas Ed · Post by **Kansas Ed** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:13 pm

Ok, I don't usually go for the politic threads, but I just saw something on the news which chaps my *** more than usual. Governors today congregated in Washington to ask Bush for more Federally funded programs to help the economy...when are these losers going to get it??

The average working man is taxed to death. Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, gas taxes, liquor taxes, tobacco taxes, license fees, etc. etc. etc. etc. et.al. All of these taxes are because some politician wanted the government to fund his project. Seems to me that for every dollar spent on these programs it costs about 3 dollars from the taxpayers.

I'm sick and tired of fighting my property taxes every three years because these morons think that I'm too stupid to see that if they raised the levy people would gripe, so they artificially raise the appraised value to compensate. I'm tired of my school district trying to raise the levy so they can have a cooler gym, a second swimming pool, buy new football equipment because the old stuff looks unprofessional, or add more concession stands around the track.

So the result of all these taxes is that I'm paying about 14.5% of our gross income just in Fed. & State income taxes (even with two kids, and a large mortgage deduction) and State Property taxes. That doesn't count all of the sales taxes, which in my state are about 5.5%, and the additional 7.5% for Social Security/Medicare.

Total that up, and I'm paying 28% + of my gross to fund Washington DC, and Topekas' pet projects.

When are they going to understand, that for the economy to ever stabilize and prosperity to reign they need to lower the tax burden on the working citizen??

Sorry,
Rant over

Ed

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:47 pm

The Germans used to just work their "citizens" until they couldn't work any more.

Then they rendered their bodies down to make glue and diesel fuel, pulled their teeth to recycle the precious metals, used their hair to stuff pillows and furniture, their skin to bind books, make wallets, and lamp-shades, and re-issued their clothing and spectacles to someone who could use them.

But I'm sure that our rulers are considering some other path.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:52 pm

FWiedner wrote:The Germans used to just work their "citizens" until they couldn't work any more.
Then they rendered their bodies down to make glue and diesel fuel, pulled their teeth to recycle the precious metals, used their hair to stuff pillows and furniture, their skin to bind books, make wallets, and lamp-shades, and re-issued their clothing and spectacles to someone who could use them.
But I'm sure that our rulers are considering some other path.

Yes, but as I recall my early (read: less doctored) history is that the German machine only did that with part of their "citizenry". I'm sure that recent history classes have omitted that segment of world history to which you refer.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:55 pm

Golly, I'm sure that our goverment will only use part of our citizenry too.

Like the ones who gripe about high taxes...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:02 pm

FWiedner wrote:Golly, I'm sure that our goverment will only use part of our citizenry too.

Like the ones who gripe about high taxes...

That's kind of a sticky and hot subject that should be relegated to the ash heap of history. Don't forget, FDR was afraid to go to war for the Jews. Had the world gone in when it KNEW (and they knew in the thirties), there would be an entire different history of the world right now.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:18 pm

BlaineG wrote:
FWiedner wrote:Golly, I'm sure that our goverment will only use part of our citizenry too.

Like the ones who gripe about high taxes...

That's kind of a sticky and hot subject that should be relegated to the ash heap of history. Don't forget, FDR was afraid to go to war for the Jews. Had the world gone in when it KNEW (and they knew in the thirties), there would be an entire different history of the world right now.

Ah, but you forget, as late as 1932 the good ol' USA had it's very own eugenics program (based on the Nazi model) in full swing, institutionalizing and sterilizing mental defectives, incorrigibles, and other undesireable minority types.

He wasn't quite sure that the Germans were doing anything wrong.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:29 pm

Boy this thread went down the crapper fast. From excessive taxation to mass murder in five posts.

Joe

Kansas Ed · Post by **Kansas Ed** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:34 pm

J Miller wrote:Boy this thread went down the crapper fast. From excessive taxation to mass murder in five posts.

Joe

Think I'll stick to leverguns topics from now on...my fault, my bad.

Ed

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:35 pm

Oh good grief.

I was trying to suggest that there are more severe forms of taxation, i.e., if they can't take it out of your wallet then they'll take it out of your hide. Get it?

I did use an extreme example.

Kansas Ed · Post by **Kansas Ed** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:47 pm

I actually think it's kinda funny..been chuckling about it for the last 30 minutes....kinda like listening to my family.

I say something about gardens, and within 30 seconds we've drifted to someones 2002 Dodge Durango...

I actually needed the laugh...thanks

Ed

ole pizen slinger · Post by **ole pizen slinger** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:22 pm

There are more ways to control people than to take their guns. Tax them so they only have time to work--that's people control. I believe it was Bill Clinton who said something like, "The American People should just work and pay their taxes and leave the government to us."
ole pizen slinger

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:41 pm

Kansas Ed wrote:
J Miller wrote:Boy this thread went down the crapper fast. From excessive taxation to mass murder in five posts.

Joe
Think I'll stick to leverguns topics from now on...my fault, my bad.

Ed

Sorry, my bad. This is the nature of threads, though....I had a TV Tuner question end up with salmon fishing in England, or some such thing.....

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:36 am

ole pizen slinger wrote:There are more ways to control people than to take their guns. Tax them so they only have time to work--that's people control. I believe it was Bill Clinton who said something like, "The American People should just work and pay their taxes and leave the government to us."
ole pizen slinger

So true.

I encourage you all to get the "FAIR TAX - the truth" book by Boortz, and read it. It makes sense, and was the number one reason (other than gun control) I wanted Huckabee to be 'our' candidate.

The Fair Tax would eliminate 90% of the bad things the feds do to our freedom and the economy. I had reservations (based on all the mainstream media anti-FT stuff) until I read the book.

If we went to the Fair Tax, and could eliminate gun registration, we'd have an ideal nation once again.

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:53 am

ole pizen, truer words were ever spoken.

I am trying to find the quote from one of the Presidents when Congress was discussing a "federal" income tax back in the late 1800's. It went something like " in one generation we are discussing changing one form of slavery, that noble men gave the ultimate to stop, for another form where the master is money".

Ed, at least you do not live in Wisconsin...we are expected to pay, above and beyond Federal tithes, a state income tax up to 11%, both state and county sales taxes, and (at least mine) property taxes that last year touched $12,000. My total taxes last year ate over 60% of my income!