tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
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tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Found an old Winchester 92 in 32-20 with a 20" barrel for $595 today... no rust, no cracks, but the wood and metal show hard use... action felt brand new, bore is excellent. It's a lightweight thing, a bit short LOP which I like, and it felt great to put it up and find the sights.
I figure I could buy a couple hundred rounds and reload them. How useful is the 32-20 round? Is it too little for deer inside 100 yards?
Thanks for your thoughts!
- MacEntyre
P.S. I'm thinking a 92 in 32-20 is a far better indulgence than a M1 carbine, and a bit more oomphh...
EDIT: purchased the rifle... pics in post #27!
I figure I could buy a couple hundred rounds and reload them. How useful is the 32-20 round? Is it too little for deer inside 100 yards?
Thanks for your thoughts!
- MacEntyre
P.S. I'm thinking a 92 in 32-20 is a far better indulgence than a M1 carbine, and a bit more oomphh...
EDIT: purchased the rifle... pics in post #27!
Last edited by MacEntyre on Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:48 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Whatcha waitin for...?
No, the .32 WCF is not an "adequate" deer cartridge, although I have killed a number of them with it, in a 92..
It is about as much fun as you can have with a levergun, while keeping your clothes on...!
No, the .32 WCF is not an "adequate" deer cartridge, although I have killed a number of them with it, in a 92..
It is about as much fun as you can have with a levergun, while keeping your clothes on...!
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Waitin' 'cause I generally buy guns for self defense these days... already have a Sav99/300Sav, Marlin 30-30, and a 30-06 bolt gun... tough to justify a plinker.
32-20 would be like a .22 that's worth reloading.
32-20 would be like a .22 that's worth reloading.
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
It's a great round. That's a great price for a clean bore 92. Forget the factory stuff. Get Starline brass and don't look back.
It's a bit more than a " reloadable 22 ":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfpAubkUrhA
It's a bit more than a " reloadable 22 ":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfpAubkUrhA
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Good grief! They are dingin' the target at 500 yards with that Win 92 in 32-20!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUGeOJ8e ... er&list=UL
Love that tang mounted peep sight on that rifle...
P.S. Good to talk to you again, Tycer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUGeOJ8e ... er&list=UL
Love that tang mounted peep sight on that rifle...
P.S. Good to talk to you again, Tycer!
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
GO FOR IT ROCKY.......................................IT'S A .22 MAG ON STERIODS MORE FUN THAN T-BOW AND THE STEELERS....... . And if You don't like it You can always sell it to one of US HERE. .
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
I'll say.MacEntyre wrote:I'm thinking a 92 in 32-20 is a far better indulgence than a M1 carbine,
My '94 Marlin is a 25-20. I kind of wish it was a 32.
ya sure, go for it.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
'course if I get the 92, I'll have to rechamber a Blackhawk to 32-20 to go with it...
Just read Paco's article on the 32-20...
Just read Paco's article on the 32-20...
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
you're not asking for advice from this bunch of enablers, are you?
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
I have three '92s in .32-20. It's my all time favorite cartridge.
For that price I'd jump on it original or not. Decent '92 shooters are getting harder and harder to find.
jb
For that price I'd jump on it original or not. Decent '92 shooters are getting harder and harder to find.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Enablers?
I'm takin' my Colt Combat Commander to the gun show tomorrow... it'll pay for the 92, a Blackhawk and 100 rounds of Starlite brass!
I'm takin' my Colt Combat Commander to the gun show tomorrow... it'll pay for the 92, a Blackhawk and 100 rounds of Starlite brass!
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Nothing wrong with a 32-20 rifle for self defense either. Handloaded to it's potentional in a rifle (2000+ fps), its muzzle energy is greater than a .357 revolver.
I load two rounds for my Browning 53 32-20. One fast 100-grain jacketed bullet for 'farm use' and a much slower 115-grain lead bullet for general plinking and small game use. The 32-20 is a great round!
I load two rounds for my Browning 53 32-20. One fast 100-grain jacketed bullet for 'farm use' and a much slower 115-grain lead bullet for general plinking and small game use. The 32-20 is a great round!
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
That's a good point... how many rounds of 32 wcf does a 20" Winchester 92 hold?InTheWoods wrote:Nothing wrong with a 32-20 rifle for self defense either.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Once you start shooting that 92, you will end up with a new truck gun. Try a box of Black Hills ammo, 115 grain lead in Starline brass. There are many, many good loads for the 32wcf, from squirrel and rabbit on up to some hard hitting loads. I have a 92 rifle made in 1917 with the 24 inch barrel. Lately I have been loading the 85 and 100 grain Hornady XTP HP bullets.
You will enjoy it.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
It's way more then a 22......shown left to right 22LR. 22MAG. 32-20MacEntyre wrote:Waitin' 'cause I generally buy guns for self defense these days... already have a Sav99/300Sav, Marlin 30-30, and a 30-06 bolt gun... tough to justify a plinker.
32-20 would be like a .22 that's worth reloading.
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Yes, you are correct, and I am converted. I have experience only with the 32 S&W Long revolver rounds, which won't penetrate a 3/4" pine board. The video links that Tycer provided showed that the 32-20 works much better out of a rifle. I'm still laughing... 500 yard hits on a bell!Mossyoak1957 wrote: It's way more then a 22......shown left to right 22LR. 22MAG. 32-20
I've been reading, and was surprised to find so little difference between 32-20 barrel diameters and 30 cal barrel diameters.
Can you use .308 bullets cast or FMJ to load 32-20 rounds?
...ok, answered my own question... older guns were bored for .312 fmj .312 cast; newer for .308. Sounds like it would be worth pushing a cast bullet through the barrel to find it's actual diameter.
Will a 20" Winchester 92 hold about 10 rounds of 32-20?
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
MacEntyre,
If you can tell ne what the serial number is I will be able to tell you what the barrel address, caliber stamp, and upper tang ought to be so you will know if the rifle is original or not. Is it a short barrel rifle or saddle ring carbine configuration?
http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... ey#p343093
I will be glad to help.
Michael
If you can tell ne what the serial number is I will be able to tell you what the barrel address, caliber stamp, and upper tang ought to be so you will know if the rifle is original or not. Is it a short barrel rifle or saddle ring carbine configuration?
http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... ey#p343093
I will be glad to help.
Michael
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
I will get the serial number tomorrow morning. It is a short barrel rifle, not a saddle ring carbine.twobit wrote:I will be glad to help.
What an effort to put together that survey! I'll be glad to participate.
Thank you, Michael!
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
You better beware of the 32WCF it will start to breed on ya. Before you know it five will appear in the safe. Mine started with a 92 also.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
So, have you picked it up yet? I've only got one and it's a Browning '53. Nice handy rifles.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
I've been looking at 32-20 Ruger Blackhawks on GunBroker...Marvin S wrote:Before you know it five will appear in the safe.
Tomorrow!kimwcook wrote:So, have you picked it up yet?
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Of course it's 2012 and you need one of the "new" short magnums to kill a deer but a lot of "old fashion" deer fell (and still are falling) to venerable old hunters using the venerable old .32 WCF fired from venerable old Win 73s and 92s.Buck Elliott wrote:Whatcha waitin for...?
No, the .32 WCF is not an "adequate" deer cartridge, although I have killed a number of them with it, in a 92..
It is about as much fun as you can have with a levergun, while keeping your clothes on...!
My uncle still sends photos of his deer laden meat pole of deer shot with his original 92 in .32 WCF..........don't those dumb critters know their not supposed to be dead after being shot with an inadequate cartridge?
Sure wish those darned Luddite Whitetails would read the latest gun magazines and quit falling to that old antiquated caliber.......................bucks, get with the program already!!
.32 WCF ballistics (muzzle): bullet - 110 gr soft point velocity - 2,100 ft/s energy - 1,077 ft·lb
Of course the .32-20 is adequate for deer within the 100 -150 yard ranges it was intended for.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
MacEntyre,
I will be glad to get the data and add the rifle to my work. You can either send me photos or I will send a set to you
that the rifle 'should' match. 2bitrifles@gmail.com
Thanks
Michael
I will be glad to get the data and add the rifle to my work. You can either send me photos or I will send a set to you
that the rifle 'should' match. 2bitrifles@gmail.com
Thanks
Michael
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
email sent to ya', TwoBit, thanks!
I brought it home... serial number is listed as 1919 manufacture... D&T... looks like it has been shot very little for a 93 year old rifle!
Pics later!
- MacEntyre
P.S. Got it for $525, so, as a Scot, I am happy!
P.P.S. I now own a rifle that's one year older than it's model number... in 16 years my 99 will be 99!
I brought it home... serial number is listed as 1919 manufacture... D&T... looks like it has been shot very little for a 93 year old rifle!
Pics later!
- MacEntyre
P.S. Got it for $525, so, as a Scot, I am happy!
P.P.S. I now own a rifle that's one year older than it's model number... in 16 years my 99 will be 99!
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
I started with 1894CL in 32-20, and uple of years later a Hand Ejector in 32-20 jumped off a table at a gun show at me, and then a Bowen Blackhawk in 32-20 called my name and just last year a 95% Colt Army Special came to live at my house.
Yeah, 32-20's can get addicting.
Mergus
Yeah, 32-20's can get addicting.
Mergus
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
Here it is!
More pictures here: http://www.photobucket.com/19923220 (there's also one of my 99 with it's new vintage scope)
Sure is nice having hep from ya'll while considerin' this old '92. Thanks!
More pictures here: http://www.photobucket.com/19923220 (there's also one of my 99 with it's new vintage scope)
Sure is nice having hep from ya'll while considerin' this old '92. Thanks!
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Hello MacEntyre,
Thanks for the images and the SN so that I could add the rifle to my survey. Your rifle is actually a carbine configuration that was ordered without the saddle ring, but with a special order shotgun butt. The interestting thing abot the stock is the inclusion of the Whelen flutes on the top edge on either side of the stock. This differs from the standard shotgun butt used on these guns. Most rifles with this style of butt also have shorter than standard full length magazines. This style of stock became the standard for the Model 53 which was introduced in 1924 as a lightweight version of the Model 92. The two models have identical receivers and parts.
The rear sight is not original to the rifle. The standard sight is a folding carbine sight with gradations from 0 to 20 on its right hand side.
Have fun and thanks again.
Michael
Thanks for the images and the SN so that I could add the rifle to my survey. Your rifle is actually a carbine configuration that was ordered without the saddle ring, but with a special order shotgun butt. The interestting thing abot the stock is the inclusion of the Whelen flutes on the top edge on either side of the stock. This differs from the standard shotgun butt used on these guns. Most rifles with this style of butt also have shorter than standard full length magazines. This style of stock became the standard for the Model 53 which was introduced in 1924 as a lightweight version of the Model 92. The two models have identical receivers and parts.
The rear sight is not original to the rifle. The standard sight is a folding carbine sight with gradations from 0 to 20 on its right hand side.
Have fun and thanks again.
Michael
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
I don't doubt you can get that velocity in a modern rifle with todays powder and a jacketed bullet. My guess is that the original loadings with black powder were not anywhere close to that.pricedo wrote:Of course it's 2012 and you need one of the "new" short magnums to kill a deer but a lot of "old fashion" deer fell (and still are falling) to venerable old hunters using the venerable old .32 WCF fired from venerable old Win 73s and 92s.Buck Elliott wrote:Whatcha waitin for...?
No, the .32 WCF is not an "adequate" deer cartridge, although I have killed a number of them with it, in a 92..
It is about as much fun as you can have with a levergun, while keeping your clothes on...!
My uncle still sends photos of his deer laden meat pole of deer shot with his original 92 in .32 WCF..........don't those dumb critters know their not supposed to be dead after being shot with an inadequate cartridge?
Sure wish those darned Luddite Whitetails would read the latest gun magazines and quit falling to that old antiquated caliber.......................bucks, get with the program already!!
.32 WCF ballistics (muzzle): bullet - 110 gr soft point velocity - 2,100 ft/s energy - 1,077 ft·lb
Of course the .32-20 is adequate for deer within the 100 -150 yard ranges it was intended for.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Thank you very much, Michael.twobit wrote: The rear sight is not original to the rifle. The standard sight is a folding carbine sight with gradations from 0 to 20 on its right hand side.
The front sight is a block with a very narrow pin on top... hard for some to see. Is it original?
I want a tang peep sight with a Merit aperture... I have a Marbles tang peep on my 99... which mfr do folks recommend for the 92?
Traveling for a week... haven't even got time to order lead and brass before I leave!
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Hello
Even the .32 WHV Winchester High Velocity was only 1575 fps wit ha 115 grain projectile.
Michael
According to my Winchester 1905 catalog the standard .32 WCF for Model 1892 had a velocity at 50 feet of 1177 fps with 114 grain projectile!!.32 WCF ballistics (muzzle): bullet - 110 gr soft point velocity - 2,100 ft/s energy - 1,077 ft·lb
Of course the .32-20 is adequate for deer within the 100 -150 yard ranges it was intended for.
I don't doubt you can get that velocity in a modern rifle with todays powder and a jacketed bullet. My guess is that the original loadings with black powder were not anywhere close to that.
Even the .32 WHV Winchester High Velocity was only 1575 fps wit ha 115 grain projectile.
Michael
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
MacEntyre wrote:Found an old Winchester 92 in 32-20 with a 20" barrel for $595 today... no rust, no cracks, but the wood and metal show hard use... action felt brand new, bore is excellent. It's a lightweight thing, a bit short LOP which I like, and it felt great to put it up and find the sights.
I figure I could buy a couple hundred rounds and reload them. How useful is the 32-20 round? Is it too little for deer inside 100 yards?
Thanks for your thoughts!
- MacEntyre
P.S. I'm thinking a 92 in 32-20 is a far better indulgence than a M1 carbine, and a bit more oomphh...
EDIT: purchased the rifle... pics in post #27!
ABSOLUTELY! Go for it!
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
The man was entertaining the idea of buying the firearm for use today.twobit wrote:Hello
According to my Winchester 1905 catalog the standard .32 WCF for Model 1892 had a velocity at 50 feet of 1177 fps with 114 grain projectile!!.32 WCF ballistics (muzzle): bullet - 110 gr soft point velocity - 2,100 ft/s energy - 1,077 ft·lb
Of course the .32-20 is adequate for deer within the 100 -150 yard ranges it was intended for.
I don't doubt you can get that velocity in a modern rifle with todays powder and a jacketed bullet. My guess is that the original loadings with black powder were not anywhere close to that.
Even the .32 WHV Winchester High Velocity was only 1575 fps wit ha 115 grain projectile.
Michael
I doubt if he will be following the old back powder recipe to which the published 1910 ballistics refer to load his ammo but you never know.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
I have a 32-20, 24" octagon barreled rifle that came from my father in law. Had the barrel relined and NKJ slicked up the action for me. Wonderful little rifle. And you know what? a Colt SAA in 32-20 wormed it's way into my safe.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Congrats! I'm sure it'll be loads of fun. HOWEVER...since no one else did, I'll stand up for the good ol' M1 Carbine!! Love those dang things...MacEntyre wrote:P.S. I'm thinking a 92 in 32-20 is a far better indulgence than a M1 carbine, and a bit more oomphh...
EDIT: purchased the rifle... pics in post #27!
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
I do too! But they are an indulgence, don't you think?olyinaz wrote:...since no one else did, I'll stand up for the good ol' M1 Carbine!! Love those dang things...
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Lever Guns Magazine Vol 2 has an article called, Loads for lever gun cartridges. It does list a Speer 100gr JHP 13.5gr H-110 Rem 7 1/2 primer for a MV of 2100FPS and 30,000 CUP. The author says it is his regular hunting load in STRONG firearms. The article is by Brian Pearce so not a dummy. I'm probably not going to duplicate these loads and I imagine he recommends caution and sound judgement when working up to these pressures but he does say it is a regular hunting load. Be safe and have fun with that 32.
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Maybe he doesn't own a chronograph, and perhaps the deer are thinner-skinned in his hunting area. I would think that deer that haven't read up on all of the latest shortymag propaganda in the gun magazines are going to be immune to calibers like the 32-20, or even 30-30, for that matter. Get that 32-20, forget about the statistical ballistic data,and have some fun!pricedo wrote:The man was entertaining the idea of buying the firearm for use today.twobit wrote:Hello
According to my Winchester 1905 catalog the standard .32 WCF for Model 1892 had a velocity at 50 feet of 1177 fps with 114 grain projectile!!.32 WCF ballistics (muzzle): bullet - 110 gr soft point velocity - 2,100 ft/s energy - 1,077 ft·lb
Of course the .32-20 is adequate for deer within the 100 -150 yard ranges it was intended for.
I don't doubt you can get that velocity in a modern rifle with todays powder and a jacketed bullet. My guess is that the original loadings with black powder were not anywhere close to that.
Even the .32 WHV Winchester High Velocity was only 1575 fps wit ha 115 grain projectile.
Michael
I doubt if he will be following the old back powder recipe to which the published 1910 ballistics refer to load his ammo but you never know.
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Well...right fine look'n shooter ya got there!
enjoy it...and shoot the heck out of it too! congrats
enjoy it...and shoot the heck out of it too! congrats
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Congrats!!! Very Nice!
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Can anyone give an opinion on what tang peep sight to get for a Win 92?
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
I have a Marble's tang sight on my 94 Winchester 30-30, been on since 1958 without any trouble. I really like it.
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
There was a post or two in the past that mentioned a tang sight from Taurus that would fit on the Rossi 92s. I'd guess that it would work on a Win without the tang safety.
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think?
not like we're "leverguns anonymous" -- we're your cash flow worst nightmare... :)Twodot wrote:you're not asking for advice from this bunch of enablers, are you?
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
I have a Marbles tang peep on my Savage 99... like it a lot.
A Lyman No. 2 tang peep sight is so much less expensive than a Marbles.
A Lyman 66A receiver sight would be nice... requires D&T and is priced halfway between the Lyman tang peep and the Marbles tang peep... not as vintage as a tang peep but compact and handy.
I haven't found a Wms 5D receiver sight for the 92...
Seems like a tang peep on a 92 would severely constrict your grip.
Anyone have experience with a Providence Tool Co. "Pattern 21" Receiver Peep Sight?
EDIT: Found the Lyman 66A receiver sight at Natchez for $75... might go with that one. I read somewhere that the 92 receiver is thin, and difficult to d&t... and mine already has a hole for a scope near where the receiver sight would go...
A Lyman No. 2 tang peep sight is so much less expensive than a Marbles.
A Lyman 66A receiver sight would be nice... requires D&T and is priced halfway between the Lyman tang peep and the Marbles tang peep... not as vintage as a tang peep but compact and handy.
I haven't found a Wms 5D receiver sight for the 92...
Seems like a tang peep on a 92 would severely constrict your grip.
Anyone have experience with a Providence Tool Co. "Pattern 21" Receiver Peep Sight?
EDIT: Found the Lyman 66A receiver sight at Natchez for $75... might go with that one. I read somewhere that the 92 receiver is thin, and difficult to d&t... and mine already has a hole for a scope near where the receiver sight would go...
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Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
Dug up a post regarding sights on 92s.
http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=31831
AJMD429 has pics of a variety of sights including tang that he's used. Its about halfway down the page.
http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=31831
AJMD429 has pics of a variety of sights including tang that he's used. Its about halfway down the page.
Re: tempted by a Win 92 in 32-20... whatcha think? (PICS!)
That's what I needed... thanks, StickFred!
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