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Marlin32 wrote:I have two more cents to add, I personnally think the 25 calibers way too small for elk sized game. 6.5 and 7mm also.
There have been a small mountain of elk and moose killed with the variouse 7mm's over the years . The numbers of Swedish Elk (moose to us) that have been killed with the 6.5x55 would more then likely stagger the imagination .
Lord knows how many elk or moose O'Conner knocked over with the 270 WIN and a 130 grain bullet . Heck I had an elk outfitter in Alberta tell me one time he would rather I brought a 270 WIN then go out and buy a 338 WIN MAG as I was planning to do !
I think a 7x57 with a 140 grain or 150 grain Partition may just be the charm . To say nothing of the 6.5x55 with a 130 Accubond , 130 TSX or a 140 Partition .
The 260 REM which is for all inmtents and purposes the same as the 6.5x55 with the Nosler 140 Partition had virtually NO RECOIL (atleast for me from the bench) and if my memory serves me my little Model 7 with the Nosler 140 PT was keeping three well under 1/2" at 100 yards . But that was also when i first got that little rifle and it has since had quite a number of rounds go down the barrel in load testing and shooting deer .
But with that being said I am fairly certain with a little judicouse handloading and possibly a trigger change a littel Ruger #1A in 6.5x55 just might be a 3/4 MOA shooter without much problem.
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
The last elk Carol shot with her 7x57 was a monstrously fat spike. We were running the Hornady Custom 154 gr factory loads (think they dropped those) in that rifle. Fatso was following a bunch of cows down the mountain and stopped across a meadow about 150 yds out. She dead centered the near side shoulder the bullet went clear thru the far shoulder and left about a 2 inch exit wound. Mr. elk hit the ground almost before his shadow got there and never moved a bit.
From "Cartridges of the World" 10th Addition copyright 2003 ,
6.5x55 Swedish and I quote ,
It is quite popular throughout Scandinavia for hunting all types game including MOOSE .
It is an excellent cartridge for deer and antelope and is also suitable for bear and elk under good conditions at moderate ranges .
The 140 grain bullets are the best for most types of hunting and generally the most accurate . Unquote !
7x57 Mauser and I quote ,
Although originally a military cartridge , the 7x57 Mauser has proven itself to be one of the BEST all around sporting rounds ever developed . It is particularly usefull in lightweight rifles because it delivers good killing power with light recoil . It has been used succesfully on every species of big game on earth . Ballistically it is only slightly less powerfull then the 270 WIN or 280 REM . It is adequate for most American big game , but perhaps on the light side for large bear or moose . Unquote !
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
Don McDowell wrote:The last elk Carol shot with her 7x57 was a monstrously fat spike. We were running the Hornady Custom 154 gr factory loads (think they dropped those) in that rifle. Fatso was following a bunch of cows down the mountain and stopped across a meadow about 150 yds out. She dead centered the near side shoulder the bullet went clear thru the far shoulder and left about a 2 inch exit wound. Mr. elk hit the ground almost before his shadow got there and never moved a bit.
You know this slipped my mind but a buddy of mine originally from PA that now lives in Buffalo Wyoming pole axed the first elk of his life this year with a Ruger 77R tang safety 7x57 shooting if I'm not mistaken a Remington 140 grain Core Lokt bullet in a handload !
And if I'm not mistaken he said something along 125-175 yards one shot and maybe it went 50 yards after the shot .
Oh and it isn't like he doesn't have other choices !
I found him a nice old Ruger 77R Tang Safety in 338 WIN MAG right after he moved out there a year or so ago that he had shooting down around 3/4" at 100 yards with his handloads .
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
I just loaded several rounds of 7X57 using 120 Barnes Tipped TSXs under 42.7grs XMR 4064. As soon as possible I'll test these loads in my little 96 Mauser and report the results. If they are as good as I think they will be that'll be my go to bolt gun load for mulies, and possibly elk.
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Some really fine shooting and excellent firearms. That elk looks mighty well fed! 7X57 is one of the all time hunting greats, taken every big game animal in Africa including elephant. Friend of my youth had a sporterised 7mm made years ago in Spain.
The 8X57 is another overlooked classic.. I grew into high powered rifle shooting my Dad's WaffenAmpt-ed German Mauser (bring back). It was deadly on Michigan whitetails. American 8MM Mauser is way underpowered but Sellier and Bellot sell a 198gr POWERFUL load which is calibrated for the sights on the old Mauser. Wouldnt hesitate to shoot an elk with it.
Happy hunting to all of you! Dun
Killed lots of elk, elk sized african game and exotics with 308 and 165 grain Nosler Partition @ 2550 fps (mostly 22" Sav 99 and some BLR). Ranges out to 225 yds. Worked sufficiently with no obvious negatives. Pretty straight-forward cartridge as far as components, loads and performance/accuracy. Versatile too.
The .308 is a great cartridge. Get your fiancé a Limbsaver shoulder pad for Christmas. When she's shooting the .308 she'll think she's
shooting a 22 mag. http://limbsaver.com/media/2011_web.pdf. Go to page 22 to find it. Limbsaver used to make hunting coats with inserts but i dont see them. You might want to call as They still might have some. I have a Limbsaver wool coat with a shoulder insert that is an awesome hunting coat. There is free shipping until Christmas, too!
The .308 is a great cartridge. Get your fiancé a Limbsaver shoulder pad for Christmas. When she's shooting the .308 she'll think she's
shooting a 22 mag. http://limbsaver.com/media/2011_web.pdf. Go to page 22 to find it. Limbsaver used to make hunting coats with inserts but i dont see them. You might want to call as They still might have some. I have a Limbsaver wool coat with a shoulder insert that is an awesome hunting coat. There is free shipping until Christmas, too!
Used the 130 grain X bullet in a 264 WIN MAG a time or two to take some slicks as well as the 140 grain X bullet in a 7mm Ultra to knock over another pair of slicks one day.
Ummmm, what's a "slick"? Last I had heard that a "slick" was a certain helocopter used to get on and off an LZ...
DunRanull wrote:Used the 130 grain X bullet in a 264 WIN MAG a time or two to take some slicks as well as the 140 grain X bullet in a 7mm Ultra to knock over another pair of slicks one day.
Ummmm, what's a "slick"? Last I had heard that a "slick" was a certain helocopter used to get on and off an LZ...
"Slicks" are a term I've heard for years in Virginia meaning a whitetail doe .
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
6pt: Thanks for the heads-up on "slicks"... never heard the term before in regards to deer.. it makes sense that an anterless deer would be "slick" on top. I might try using the term on the Old Woman, see how that works... NOT!
