CCW: Gun's In Church.

[cshold]

Anyone else been following this?

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/1563380 ... =printable

“State such as Arkansas, Mississippi and North Dakota also have laws prohibiting weapons in church.”

[Old Ironsights]

Anyone else been following this?

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/1563380 ... =printable

“State such as Arkansas, Mississippi and North Dakota also have laws prohibiting weapons in church.”

Which simply means that the Gooberment is deciding, for the Church(s) who may and may not attend worship and under what conditions... in direct violation of the 1st Amendment.

So what else is new?

(What's WORSE is how "the system" won't LET you sue over an Unconstitutional Law unless you have been "injured". So someone has to be arrested, charged and convicted (and "lose" their RKBA) before the Constitutionality of the "law" can be challenged...)

[Blaine]

No one, but, no one needs to know you have a mouse piece in your vest pocket. If you pull it to save a live, I doubt that you'll be in trouble. I'm thinking only big-mouth showoffs get in trouble for haveing a well concealed, small piece available.

[wecsoger]

Another perfect example of the idiocy that exists in regard to treatment of CHL holders.

I'll wait for someone to draw me graph. On the left side, a column showing gun crimes committed by the general public. One the right side, gun crimes committed by CHL holders.

And yet we are regarded with suspicion, contempt and even anger by an ignorant section of the public and even by large group of law enforcement officers.

(sigh)

Guess it makes me feel a little better when members of our ruling class government fear us though, as demonstrated by the comments in that article.

[Hobie]

Once upon a time EVERY able-bodied male in this country carried their firearms to church. In VA you have to have a good reason and I do.

[Old Ironsights]

Once upon a time EVERY able-bodied male in this country carried their firearms to church. ...

Of course AFTER services, while the womenfolk were preparing Dinner, the Men were mustering at their weekly post church militia meeting...

[shooter]

My dad carries to church every day. He is the youth pastor and handles the administration/education. He carries all the time, to work at the church daily and to service on Sunday. He's not the only one to do so either. Why should one be prevented from carrying to their place of worship?

[Sixgun]

I never could understand why guns are prohibited in certain public places.

While driving down the road in my Jeep and the vehicle is in motion (or at home, where the dogs do the "awareness thing") , I am mostly in "condition white".

At red lights I am "condition yellow"---aware of my surroundings--but still relaxed

When I'm in the bank, store, pumping gas or any other public place, I'm in condition "Good- to- Go" because thats where your gonna find trouble--or better put, where trouble will find you. I'll be danged if I'm gonna be in a store, church, bank, whatever and happen to be there at the same time some nutjob with a gun, who is p.o. at the world decides to make me a government statistic. Ain't gonna happen.

I pack everywhere and if there is a law that says I can't, I don't go there. I live 15 miles from New Jersey and have not been there since 1978.

I follow Massad Ayoob's declaration--"Its better to judged by 12 than carried by 6".----Sixgun

[rjohns94]

I work in a church and attend each sunday. I carry all the time. no need for anyone to know what I have or where I have it.

[AJMD429]

And yet we are regarded with suspicion, contempt and even anger by an ignorant section of the public and even by large group of law enforcement officers.

I read somewhere that even a graph like you suggested with 'crimes committed by CCW holders' on one side, and on the other, 'crimes committed by law enforcement officers', would show the CCW holders to be the more trustworthy bunch.

[horsesoldier03]

Once upon a time EVERY able-bodied male in this country carried their firearms to church. In VA you have to have a good reason and I do.

YEP, I think VA is one of the only states left that allows the practice of SNAKE HANDLING for a religion! You might need to shoot a couple of snakes.

[Old Ironsights]

Once upon a time EVERY able-bodied male in this country carried their firearms to church. In VA you have to have a good reason and I do.

YEP, I think VA is one of the only states left that allows the practice of SNAKE HANDLING for a religion! You might need to shoot a couple of snakes.

Well, VA DOES border DC after all... Somebody has to be able to handle the Snakes...

[wecsoger]

would show the CCW holders to be the more trustworthy bunch.

Laughing. Since I am former law enforcement, I ain't touching that one with a ten foot pole. Or an extended ASP baton.


Of course AFTER services, while the womenfolk were preparing Dinner, the Men were mustering at their weekly post church militia meeting...

And I've of the mind we may have to start doing that again.

[kragluver]

Fortunately, Texas is one state that does not restrict carry at church. Mine is with me every Sunday. My wife once asked me why I carried at church - I only needed to remind her of the tragic shooting at Western Hills Baptist in Fort Worth back in the late 90's. She now has her CHL and doesn't question anymore.

[6pt-sika]

Once upon a time EVERY able-bodied male in this country carried their firearms to church. In VA you have to have a good reason and I do.

YEP, I think VA is one of the only states left that allows the practice of SNAKE HANDLING for a religion! You might need to shoot a couple of snakes.

Well, VA DOES border DC after all... Somebody has to be able to handle the Snakes...

And there I thought he was packin in church because he was worried about a break out from "Western State" (the state mental hospital) and all the time he was worried about an invasion of "Obaminites"

[Hobie]

I've only ever had one problem with the Western State patients. That was taken care of with skill, finesse, and my pal Gunny Mike.

[6pt-sika]

I've only ever had one problem with the Western State patients. That was taken care of with skill, finesse, and my pal Gunny Mike.

I had an aunt who is now passed that lived up on the hill behind the old haunted house in Staunton thats supposed to be haunted by the killed Civil War soldier . Anyway I can remmember as a kid riding by the original Western State in the middle of town and those poor people walking around out in front in hospital gowns behind that BIG IRON FENCE . Actually was a little scarey for a 4-6 year old then !

[cshold]

Stumbled upon this site / organization while researching my
own denomination, the UMC for information regarding there stance
on gun control. This is a new one on me, never heard of it or new of
its existence. Now I really have questions, one of which how’s it funded
and is my weekly offering envelope involved in anyway.

http://www.umc-gbcs.org/site/apps/nl/co ... ct=4108477

[kimwcook]

Being an LEO and being very aware of the very fact that there are many people who like to go down with a huge body count when they decide to check out, I carry everywhere except where I legally can't. Churches in WA state aren't a protected area so one could pack there. Schools on the other hand are a protected area, but they are also one of the largest attractions to active shooters. Luckily on my part, I'm given the authority to carry there, but anyone else isn't. I understand peoples concern about having people armed at school, but it seems counterintuitive to me.

[Ysabel Kid]

Well, VA DOES border DC after all... Somebody has to be able to handle the Snakes...

So true!

[AmBraCol]

I always appreciated the sign at the door for Christ's Chapel in Mt. Vernon, MO. Something to the effect that "Legally armed people are welcome. Please see an elder or deacon for coordination purposes". The idea being, if a wacko comes in it'd be nice to know who all else is likely to be pulling iron in response. To the best of my knowledge I'm the only one who packs in our congregation at this time. The expense and difficulty in obtaining legal firearms is one reason for that. This places even greater responsibility on my shoulders as there's no one to back me up if something should occur. But we trust in the Lord and do our part. Unlike some churches in town we have not been visited by the local gangs with a threat of "pay insurance or face the consequences".

[TMair]

Being an LEO and being very aware of the very fact that there are many people who like to go down with a huge body count when they decide to check out, I carry everywhere except where I legally can't. Churches in WA state aren't a protected area so one could pack there. Schools on the other hand are a protected area, but they are also one of the largest attractions to active shooters. Luckily on my part, I'm given the authority to carry there, but anyone else isn't. I understand peoples concern about having people armed at school, but it seems counterintuitive to me.

Interesting, in Ut. where I live the major religion, which I am a member have chosen to NOT allow guns in church, but those with CCW permits CAN carry in and around schools!
My wife is a school teacher, and I am a sub bus driver, personilly I think every school should have at least two people carrying all the time, and no one know who those two are, but make it clear that there are at least two!!
Terry

[damienph]

I say, carring a gun in church is between me and my maker...

[olyinaz]

Being an LEO and being very aware of the very fact that there are many people who like to go down with a huge body count when they decide to check out, I carry everywhere except where I legally can't. Churches in WA state aren't a protected area so one could pack there. Schools on the other hand are a protected area, but they are also one of the largest attractions to active shooters. Luckily on my part, I'm given the authority to carry there, but anyone else isn't. I understand peoples concern about having people armed at school, but it seems counterintuitive to me.

Man, you said it.

Oly

[cshold]

Another question that crossed my mind.
If a church and its property gets a state school certification, is the church now
reclassified as a school property 7 days a week? Thus no firearms within so many
feet of the school property.

[93marshooter]

A church is private property. They can be real targets of mentally ill delusional shooters. I think the church leadership needs to write a security policy and designate security personal. I have no idea who may have a gun in our church on Sunday.

[Steve Collins]

I've carried in church most of my adult life. When I was working with the youth group, I would carry all the time, especially when we took the kids out and about. The youth leader and all the volunteers knew I carried, and felt a lot safer with me around to make sure the kids were protected.

We've made it a point to speak to the preacher at the churches we've attended, and if we meet one who is against concealed carry, we don't go back.

[piller]

The Preacher at a Baptist church near me once mentioned that he felt safe knowing that there were a bunch of women in the congregation with Concealed Carry guns in their purses. He said that, if any one came in to try and steal the Tithes and Offerings, he continued to pray that GOD would guide the good folks of the church in protecting their church. He didn't mention the men. I wish more preachers had his attitude.

[AmBraCol]

By the way, guys, don't forget that there's http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.org Some preachers are afraid to come out in public, but there's a growing number of pro-pistol packing preachers out there. It does no harm to point your preacher towards that site (amongst others) and invite him to inquire within, so to speak.

[kimwcook]

Reminds me of: Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

In fact, I'd ask my preacher to bless me and my tools so I can keep the peace.

[cshold]

Never to be forgotten…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw