Unusual .30-30 loads.

Larkbill · Post by **Larkbill** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:29 am

I stumbled in to a large quantity of .30 Luger jacketed bullets for not much money, 86 gr. hardball and roundnose softpoint. Originally had visions of using them in my .30 Carbine Blackhawk but was thinking they might make a fun medium power load for the grandson to shoot in the '94. Any thoughts on a good starting point for powder type and quantity to end up around 18-1900 fps? Yes, they are .308 diameter.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:40 am

PM Hobie and/or W30WCF they have done extensive work with the light bullets in the 30-30 duplicating the old light bullet load.

Joe

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:41 am

Did something like that years ago, think it was with 4grn of W231.

For rabbit and squirrel put them in backwards

Nath.

Post by **Hobie** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:40 pm

27 gr. IMR 3031 is the old trapper load duplication charge for those bullets.

w30wcf · Post by **w30wcf** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:22 am

Larkbill,
Nice find! At 86 grains, they would likely have been intended for the .30 Mauser. The .30 Luger typically used a 93 gr bullet.

That aside, in addition to the historic load that Hobie mentioned, 18 grs of 4759 will run in the 1900-2000 f.p.s. range as will 12 grs of Blue Dot. 8 grs of 231 or Unique makes a nice load at 1,500 f.p.s. or so. Be careful not to double charge the case.

Would you, by chance, want to sell some of those bullets?

w30wcf

KCSO · Post by **KCSO** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:12 am

6.0 of Unique or 5.5 of Red dot both make a nice mild shooting load in the 1200 fps range. If you have Pet Loads look in the squib load section. If you want cat sneeze try 2.5 of bullseye.

w30wcf · Post by **w30wcf** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:20 am

KCSO
Thank you for your data. 2.5 grs of bullseye runs about 950 f.p.s. with a similar weight cast bullet, so with a jacketed bullet, I'm thinking there is a chance that one might not make it out of the barrel .........

w30wcf

Post by **Hobie** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:48 am

w30wcf wrote:Would you, by chance, want to sell some of those bullets?

w30wcf

I was thinking the same thing!

Larkbill · Post by **Larkbill** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:31 pm

Darn, you guys are good, the 86 gr. are indeed Mauser. I have 5 boxes of soft point and 2 hardball. I also have 5 boxes of 93 gr. Luger soft point.

Sure, I'd sell a couple boxes. would prefer to sell the hardball, but I'd turn loose of a couple boxes of soft point too.

At the rate I'm going I have a 10 year supply of .308 cast bullets from 115 gr and up. Have been shooting the 115 over 6 gr. of Red Dot in the .30-30. Unfortunately the Carbine doesn't respond well to reduced loads so I've been hoarding 110 gr. half jackets and various round nose jacketed when I find them at shows and on the clearance tables at gun shops. I snapped up the pistol bullets 'cause they sounded like something I should have.

I have no idea what to ask for them, is $10/100 too much? If so, what is reasonable?

You guys can pm or e-mail me about the bullets. I just checked my profile to make sure they were turned on.

w30wcf · Post by **w30wcf** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:51 pm

Larkbill,
Thank you. $10 / 100 is certainly reasonable. I would be interested in 1 box of the 86 gr FMC assuming Hobie would like the other one. If he doesn't, I would be interested in both of the FMC. If he does want 1 box of the FMC, I would be interested in 1 of the FMC and 1 of the soft point 86 gr.

Are they, by chance, Hornady?

Hobie?

w30wcf

Larkbill · Post by **Larkbill** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:13 pm

I'd be happy to sell each of you one box of hardball and one of soft point. Send me your address(s) and I'll get them moving this weekend. I'm a truck driver and work a crazy schedule through the week but luckily I'm off on the weekend. You can send me a check when you get them.

Post by **Hobie** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:15 pm

It is one box of the hardball I want. I have SPs. I'll PM you with the contact info and you can likewise inform me where to send how much money..

w30wcf · Post by **w30wcf** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:36 am

Larkbill,
Thank you for your kind offer. PM being sent.

w30wcf

1894cfan · Post by **1894cfan** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:12 pm

Hornady still makes 86gr canelured jsp's. I haven't tried anything else, but if you have a supply of TrailBoss start at 9gr and work up to 11gr. DO NOT go over 11gr. FYI, the 11gr load will work for 86 up to 110gr bullets. HTH

junkwrencher · Post by **junkwrencher** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:24 pm

What other than weight do these mauser intended bullets have over .30 carbine jacketed soft-points?Canalure?

w30wcf · Post by **w30wcf** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:35 am

junkwrencher wrote:What other than weight do these mauser intended bullets have over .30 carbine jacketed soft-points?Canalure?

Nothing other than they were used in a special PETERS factory loading many years ago. So for those of us that like to recreate history, it is the bullet of choice.

w30wcf

jager3 · Post by **jager3** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:16 am

Hello - New member here. I have been loading for the last 4 decades plus 7 years and am an "admirer" of Paco's writings.
Like many of the "poster's" here, I have some experience with reduced loads using many of the powders that have been suggested. One of the first molds I ever bought was a 116gr, 30cal Lee (mine actually produces .311 diameter 120gr bullets using "wheel weights"). I use 8.0gr of Unique with a "tuft" (1/2gr) of "Kapok" as a filler in a 30/30 case. It usually shoots POA at 50 yards. I also use Lee's "Factory Crimp", so a cannelure is not needed. I've not tried any "squib loads" for fear of "sticking" a bullet in the barrel (timid fellow that I am

) and use a Lee powder dipper to charge the cases to preclude "double charging". I've found that 8 to 10gr of Unique seems to work in a variety of calibers (similar to 14 to 16gr of 2400). Your "stash" of 86 and 93 "grainers" should make for some really fun shooting. (You've given me an idea to try some 90XTP's I have "squirreled away" for a 7.62X25!) Best regards.

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