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I had a bunch of them at one time and sold off all but one when they started getting pricy.
Dumb thing to do!!
Got back into them last year when I got a deal one rebored to .357m.
Turned out that rebore wasn't so great and had a new barrel installed in .25-20 turned out great. (had lots of .25WCF stuff!)
Tack driving ***!
Problem is I really wanted to do it in .38-40. 'Smith says can't do it, not enough steel around the chamber for the pressure. But there's a Cadet rifle on Gun Broker right now in .45 Colt!
So is my guy to chicken to do a .38WCF or is the guy that did the .45C reckless?
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
IMO, AND that of Mr. Single Shot, Frank de Haas, the .45 guy was reckless, even with a rebarrel, never mind a rebore.
Frank said the Cadet was OK for the .41 Mag, but could not recommend the .44 Mag, although it was possible - since .44 rebore leaves the barrel shank & walls too thin.
The .38-40 & .44-40 cartridges are fatter than a .44 Special/Magnum case.
Pete44ru wrote:IMO, AND that of Mr. Single Shot, Frank de Haas, the .45 guy was reckless, even with a rebarrel, never mind a rebore.
Frank said the Cadet was OK for the .41 Mag, but could not recommend the .44 Mag, although it was possible - since .44 rebore leaves the barrel shank & walls too thin.
The .38-40 & .44-40 cartridges are fatter than a .44 Special/Magnum case.
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Zactly what I wanted to know!
That takes care of the .38WCF question.
Next up is a .327 Federal. Can't explain it but this round really interests me.
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
2ndovc wrote:
Next up is a .327 Federal. Can't explain it but this round really interests me.
I know wikipedia isn't 100% accurate, but I'd take this into account:
Based on the .32 H&R Magnum, stretched and loaded to a higher pressure of 45,000 psi (note that standard pressure 44 magnum is 36,000psi), the .327 (actual bullet diameter .312 in, or 7.92 mm) achieves velocities up to 1,400 ft/s (430 m/s) with 100-grain (6.5 g) bullets (420 m/s and 6.5 g), and up to 1,300 ft/s (400 m/s) with 115-grain (7.5 g) bullets (390 m/s and 7.5 g),
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
Cruise wrote:Here I thought we were going to get into questions such as:
- Stir or Shake
- Up or Rocks
Hey, buddy do you got the time?
No I don't got a watch can you spare a dime,
But I got two olives and a couple of limes,
Guessin' that means it's martini time.
Tee Martoonis at bunch with the loss,
I didn't even ask or care what they cost,
I lost my job for no reason or rhyme,
Guessin' that means it's martini time.
Martini time (vodka ice shaker!),
Martini time (olive or lime!),
Martini time (gotta have glasses!),
Make it with a layer of ice this time.
Dirty, dry up, or in between,
From the very first sip you know what I mean,
When you're out with a babe you don't nickel or dime,
Guessin' that means it's martini time.
Martini time (vodka ice shaker!),
Martini time (olive or lime!),
Martini time (gotta have glasses!),
Make it with a layer of ice this time.
It's martini time.
I live my life for a layer of ice
Just like those poured by my bartender vice
Any taste of vermouth would be really sublime,
When you have a good martini time!
It's Martini time (vodka ice shaker!),
Martini time (olive or lime!),
Martini time (gotta have glasses!),
Perfectly poured and top of the line.
It's martini time
It's martini time
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
Pete44ru wrote:
FWIW, a fairly standard rechambering, sometimes with a little breechblock clearance work (YMMV), is the .32 Special - IF ya want a .32 gun for fun !
BTDT. I don't call having to reinsert my shoulder after each shot "fun"... Pressure-wise it's fine, but out of that light little thing...oy vey!
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
Pete44ru wrote:IMHO, the .327 Federal produces Waaaaay too much pressure for the Cadet.
FWIW, a fairly standard rechambering, sometimes with a little breechblock clearance work (YMMV), is the .32 Special - IF ya want a .32 gun for fun !
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Ok, well that leaves on my list of interests the .256 Mag. and the .357 mag on my list. Maybe just .32H&R?
Already have a
.25WCF in a martini and .218 Bee. .22Hornet in a single shot and plenty of .32-20s.
What else is there in a short, rimmed medium pressure round?
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
Ideally, I'd have a .256 WM barrel made for my .357 and the then whole thing made into a switch barrel but I don't have an arm or leg to spare. I do have a spare kidney I suppose...
Discounting what you already have and have thought about, here's what DeHaas has listed as acceptable:
.22 Jet
.222R
5.6x50R
.219 Zipper (standard version)
.41 Mag
The Jet is a .357 necked down to .22 and there were a couple of wildcat variation IIRC. .22 Sabre comes to mind but I don't recall the particulars. I don't know that I'd run the .41 real hot but that's just me. If I had to do a .41, I'd look at the .41 Special that I've seen mentioned on somewhere. Or load the Mag down to Special specs.
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
A gunsmith in Ipswich, Queensland, Australia machines the receiver thread to around the same size as a Winchester 94 barrel shank to give them more strength and chambers them to 44 magnum,25-35,30-30 and 32-40,or whatever will drop past the curved breach block.Quite a lot are chambered in .17 Bee and .17 necked down on a shortened .357 case or .222 rimmed.The .222 rimmed was made especially for the Martini Cadet Action.
The only trouble with the Martini is its weak extraction.
When funds become available I have 27'' octagon .357 1 in 20 twist barrel ready to be fitted to a Martini.
Regards Dallas
It's dead easy to die; it's the keeping on living that's hard - Douglas Mawson - Scientist and polar survivor
Pete44ru wrote:IMHO, the .327 Federal produces Waaaaay too much pressure for the Cadet.
FWIW, a fairly standard rechambering, sometimes with a little breechblock clearance work (YMMV), is the .32 Special - IF ya want a .32 gun for fun !
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Ok, well that leaves on my list of interests the .256 Mag. and the .357 mag on my list. Maybe just .32H&R?
Already have a
.25WCF in a martini and .218 Bee. .22Hornet in a single shot and plenty of .32-20s.
What else is there in a short, rimmed medium pressure round?
jb
The .357 Herrett, based on the .30-30 case, shortened & necked to accept .357" slugs.
I have one in 17AI Bee I am going to sell/trade. 20 gr bullets at 4K, or 25's at 3.7K. I just got it and the reloading/forming die sets. I also have 25-20wcf, 380 rook, 22lr, 32-20, and 224maxi. They get under your skin quick. moodyholler
