LSI PUMA

[dbowling]

Hello everyone, new to the board and have a question.. I just traded for a Puma 92 imported by LSI,can anyone tellme when these guns were imported/made?
Also it has the 24 in. octagan barrel, case hardened reciever, crescent shape butt plate in .44 mag which with the shape of butt plate is very hard on the shoulder after about 20 rds...where can I get a slip on recoil pad that will fit it, would prefer a limbsaver type instead of leather if possible, not worried about looking traditional as Im using it to deer hunt. Appreciate any help..

[AJMD429]

Congratulations - those are really nice guns. NKJ or someone more knowledgeable will have to answer your manufacture question.

Buttstock-wise, I've never seen a recoil-pad that fits the crescent shape buttplates, but suppose one could be fashioned easily enough from scrap leather, or one of the slip-on ones for a squarer buttplate could perhaps work if some 'filler' was placed in it.

You might also be able to just switch-out the buttstock with the other type, or if you wanted of course you could do lots of woodworking and essentially take a 'normal' buttstock and yours, and carefully cut them in their midsections, pin them together with several hardwood dowels, and shape them with wood-rasp, then re-finish them. It definitely WOULD be a 'shooter' after that though, unless you're a master woodsmith.

Where we are, deer hunting season is cold enough I'm wearing coveralls, so recoil isn't an issue even with those stocks; I just slip a rolled up sweatshirt behind it for any bench-shooting and load development, etc.

Also, there are some old posts on this forum about 'proper' use of the crescent buttplate that some found helped eliminate the 'ouch' factor pretty well.

The gun should be fun and accurate, so if it isn't meeting expectations, you may want to slug your bore; some are evidently rather 'generous' for .44 Mag, but I don't know which models/years.

My only other comment would be that the Williams FP is pretty much THE non-optical deer-hunting sight for the Rossi 92, in my opinion.

Enjoy...

[dbowling]

thanks for the info, I did use the rolled up towel after 15 shots with just a t-shirt on...also put the butt plate where the shoulder meets the joint ended up with a big black/purple bruise the next couple of days...have shot slug guns for years and never been bruised like that. As far as accuracy Ive only shot one load with it the American Eagle 240 gr. jhp and at 55 yds off hood of truck w/sleeping bag for a rest it put 4 shots into a 1.5 in cluster, the 1st shot I jerked the trigger and it was a couple in. high. At 102 yds it put 1st 3 shots into 2 in. and the next 2 were about 1.5 in. higher, so its very accurate.Thinking about the Williams reciever sight...

Congratulations - those are really nice guns. NKJ or someone more knowledgeable will have to answer your manufacture question.

Buttstock-wise, I've never seen a recoil-pad that fits the crescent shape buttplates, but suppose one could be fashioned easily enough from scrap leather, or one of the slip-on ones for a squarer buttplate could perhaps work if some 'filler' was placed in it.

You might also be able to just switch-out the buttstock with the other type, or if you wanted of course you could do lots of woodworking and essentially take a 'normal' buttstock and yours, and carefully cut them in their midsections, pin them together with several hardwood dowels, and shape them with wood-rasp, then re-finish them. It definitely WOULD be a 'shooter' after that though, unless you're a master woodsmith.

Where we are, deer hunting season is cold enough I'm wearing coveralls, so recoil isn't an issue even with those stocks; I just slip a rolled up sweatshirt behind it for any bench-shooting and load development, etc.

Also, there are some old posts on this forum about 'proper' use of the crescent buttplate that some found helped eliminate the 'ouch' factor pretty well.

The gun should be fun and accurate, so if it isn't meeting expectations, you may want to slug your bore; some are evidently rather 'generous' for .44 Mag, but I don't know which models/years.

My only other comment would be that the Williams FP is pretty much THE non-optical deer-hunting sight for the Rossi 92, in my opinion.

Enjoy...

[AJMD429]

Some aperture sight options - (partway down page) = http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... t=+99peeps

[dbowling]

thanks for the link...I actually like the idea of the holo sight on a hunting gun, would be very quick but would add a little weight to a otherwise very well balanced weapon.

[AJMD429]

Some more ideas and links in this thread, if you've not seen it already...

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=36289

[J Miller]

dbowling,

The LSI Pumas are a fairly recent batch of guns. Although I can't tell you just how recent as I don't pay a lot of attention to the various importers.

As for the crescent butt plate hurting your shoulder, well you're using it wrong. Put the butt plate on your upper arm just outboard of the shoulder and it will fit just fine.
Forum member KirkD has a photo tutorial on just how to do this. I printed the pics out then promptly lost the link to the thread. But if you PM him I'm sure he'll help.

Joe

[Tycer]

Welcome!

The toe of the buttstock goes in your armpit and the curve fits well if you the swing the barrel well left (if you're right handed) and turn your head. When in that position, it feels quite natural.

I am 6 feet and 200 pounds for what it's worth, and I definitely prefer crescent buttplates on all my rifles for some strange reason. One thing that I don't think I mentioned before is that when levering in another round in my '86, the down stroke of the lever can cause the metal shotgun butt to slide down a bit if I'm not shoving the butt hard enough into my shoulder with the other hand. The crescent butt, on the other hand,hooks around the top of my upper arm and gives increased stability when fast levering in another round. The upper arm has a lot more give to it than the shoulder, so felt recoil is reduced. I actually seldom notice recoil from a standing position with my 45-70 with the crescent butt. I think the arm must absorb it all ... kind of like a spring. My shoulder, on the other hand, has no give to it ... just steel shotgun butt on bone and flesh.

I must also say that for the first 30 years of my shooting life, I only had rifles with a shotgun butt and I still shot off my upper arm, not my shoulder, so I'm not using the upper arm position merely to adapt to crescent butts.

P.S. For those who missed the link further up, here's a photo of how I place the crescent butt:

[dbowling]

Tycer, that is exactly how I shoot any firearm but for some reason this gun bruised me more then any weapon Ive ever fired...been shooting for 40 years the same way...THANKS FOR THE WELCOME,I think Im going to enjoy this gun once I get it all set-up..

Welcome!

The toe of the buttstock goes in your armpit and the curve fits well if you the swing the barrel well left (if you're right handed) and turn your head. When in that position, it feels quite natural.

I am 6 feet and 200 pounds for what it's worth, and I definitely prefer crescent buttplates on all my rifles for some strange reason. One thing that I don't think I mentioned before is that when levering in another round in my '86, the down stroke of the lever can cause the metal shotgun butt to slide down a bit if I'm not shoving the butt hard enough into my shoulder with the other hand. The crescent butt, on the other hand,hooks around the top of my upper arm and gives increased stability when fast levering in another round. The upper arm has a lot more give to it than the shoulder, so felt recoil is reduced. I actually seldom notice recoil from a standing position with my 45-70 with the crescent butt. I think the arm must absorb it all ... kind of like a spring. My shoulder, on the other hand, has no give to it ... just steel shotgun butt on bone and flesh.

I must also say that for the first 30 years of my shooting life, I only had rifles with a shotgun butt and I still shot off my upper arm, not my shoulder, so I'm not using the upper arm position merely to adapt to crescent butts.

P.S. For those who missed the link further up, here's a photo of how I place the crescent butt:

[Pete44ru]

This rifle also has a crescent butt, so I use this slip-on (from Cabela's) for summer/T-shirt sight-in/practice, then remove it for my cold weather hunting, when I'm wearing much heavier outerwear.



The slip-on requires no "stuffing", since it readily adapts/conforms upon firing - the "need" for a filler is mostly in one's mind/imaginary. .

.

[dbowling]

Pete, do you know what size your pad is or item #?

[66GTO]

I had a Rossi 92 in .44 Mag and I had the same bruising problem when shooting at the range from a bench. I bought a recoil pad that fits on your shoulder under your shirt. I can't recall the brand because I haven't used it since I sold the Rossi. Unless you develop a flinch because of the recoil when shooting at the range I don't think you would notice it when hunting. You most likely will only get one shot at the deer, will be wearing heavy clothing, and shooting from an upright position which mitigates the recoil (as opposed from shooting from a bench).

I sold my .44 Mag because of the overbore previously mentioned. I think the overbore was only a problem with the Rossi version of the 92 several years ago. Yours obviously does not have that problem as evidenced by the groups you are shooting. I have heard that since Taurus began making the Rossi-Braztech Model 92 the overbore problem went away. I have one of the Rossi-Braztech 92's in .357 and it is a fine weapon.

At the ranges that I can shoot accurately with open sights while hunting, the .357 will handle anything I would have used the .44 Mag for.

[dbowling]

66GTO, When hunting I never feel the recoil of the gun anyway but like you said for extended sessions on a bench it can make you get a little flinchy...where I hunt most shots are 60 yds or less unless your hunting a bean or picked cornfield so open sights will work fine...

Dont know if your handle means you like or have a 66 GTO but I had one when I was about 18-19 and wish Id never sold it.. Had a built up 389 in it and when I blew it up racing I put a stock 400 in it w/a big 2 barrel carb.

[Old Savage]

I have 92 clones in 44 mag and 45 colt loaded heavy in some loads and don't find a problem with the recoil or the butt on the Rossis and B92s - I shoot off the web between the shoulder and the chest. PAST makes a recoil pad that you can strap on you shoulder for the bench if you like.

[66GTO]

66GTO, When hunting I never feel the recoil of the gun anyway but like you said for extended sessions on a bench it can make you get a little flinchy...where I hunt most shots are 60 yds or less unless your hunting a bean or picked cornfield so open sights will work fine...

Dont know if your handle means you like or have a 66 GTO but I had one when I was about 18-19 and wish Id never sold it.. Had a built up 389 in it and when I blew it up racing I put a stock 400 in it w/a big 2 barrel carb.

Yep. My first car my senior year in H.S. Sent you a PM about it.

Regarding the .44 Magnum LSI 92, I would just practice at the range shooting standing or kneeling like you would while hunting and get comfortable shooting that way. I only shot mine from the bench to establish how accurate it was with each load I shot in it. Unfortunately, it was not very accurate with any load because of the overbore.

Since you have already established that it is accurate from the bench, just practice freehand from now on and use the technique shown above and I don't think you'll have any problems. I had to get used to using that technique because I had to scoot my head over more to pick up the sights. That takes some getting used to because of my stiff, creaky old bones.

[66GTO]

I have 92 clones in 44 mag and 45 colt loaded heavy in some loads and don't find a problem with the recoil or the butt on the Rossis and B92s - I shoot off the web between the shoulder and the chest. PAST makes a recoil pad that you can strap on you shoulder for the bench if you like.

O.S., that is the brand I used, now that you mention it.

[dbowling]

I know what you mean by the stiff creaky bones,LOL.

66GTO, When hunting I never feel the recoil of the gun anyway but like you said for extended sessions on a bench it can make you get a little flinchy...where I hunt most shots are 60 yds or less unless your hunting a bean or picked cornfield so open sights will work fine...

Dont know if your handle means you like or have a 66 GTO but I had one when I was about 18-19 and wish Id never sold it.. Had a built up 389 in it and when I blew it up racing I put a stock 400 in it w/a big 2 barrel carb.

Yep. My first car my senior year in H.S. Sent you a PM about it.

Regarding the .44 Magnum LSI 92, I would just practice at the range shooting standing or kneeling like you would while hunting and get comfortable shooting that way. I only shot mine from the bench to establish how accurate it was with each load I shot in it. Unfortunately, it was not very accurate with any load because of the overbore.

Since you have already established that it is accurate from the bench, just practice freehand from now on and use the technique shown above and I don't think you'll have any problems. I had to get used to using that technique because I had to scoot my head over more to pick up the sights. That takes some getting used to because of my stiff, creaky old bones.