POLITICS - McCain V. Hillary

[Blaine]

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary ... ontrol.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_ ... ontrol.htm


http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_Mc ... ontrol.htm

Unbiased facts as opposed to unvarified assertions. McCain is not, by any standard, perfect on gun control, but someone please look at the FACTS and explain how he is worst than the "D"s? Maybe ESL instead of GOA for some? Astounding.

[MikeS.]

Too bad Pastor Huckabee no longer has a prayer. He seems to be the best 2nd amendment canidate. McCain is ok but Romney is marginal.

[JerryB]

Don't count my former gov out till it's over.

[Ysabel Kid]

I posted this on another thread. Food for thought...

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/Mich ... ohn_mccain

[RSY]

Another one that has me thinking:

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawk ... ments=true

[FWiedner]

Words from John McCain about himself and his own opinions can hardly be considered unbiased.

GOA on John McCain's record.

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

And this doesn't even mention his taking money under the table to impede the investigation into the savings and loan collapse in the 1980's.

[JB]

Now Huckabee's name is being tossed around as VP. I'd rather have him as president, but having him as VP beats the heck out of Billery or Osama.

[AJMD429]

The GOA sight was an eye-opener; I'd thought he was at least a tiny bit pro-gun.

This quote from Ann Coulter sums up my sentiments somewhat:

If Hillary is elected president, we'll have a four-year disaster, with Republicans ferociously opposing her, followed by Republicans zooming back into power, as we did in 1980 and 1994, and 2000. (I also predict more Oval Office incidents with female interns.)

If McCain is elected president, we'll have a four-year disaster, with the Republicans in Congress co-opted by "our" president, followed by 30 years of Democratic rule.

There's your choice, America.

...of course the New York Times long ago decreed that Paul and Huckabee are 'unelectable' so good thing we didn't nominate them, huh!

[jbm1968]

At least we will have some influence on McCain who will be interested in a second term, remember what happened to George Bush Sr. I voted against him for an unelectable person in the general election due to the gun control acts he did not veto.

[North Bender]

I joined this forum to learn about leverguns and the pistols that such people favor. But I've learned that the people who post the most here can't be more farther right-wing than Gingus Kahn and that they can't even support McCain - in fact they post links insuaitaing that he's a traiter. I was in VN for 2 tours and I don't think he's a traiter - in fact he's a hero! Far be it from me, a newcomer, to change this place, but the H*** with you guys, I've voted Republican since before most of you you were outta diapers. And where were you guys in 68 - 70; I was in II Corps.

Sheesh.

[Wrangler John]

I joined this forum to learn about leverguns and the pistols that such people favor. But I've learned that the people who post the most here can't be more farther right-wing than Gingus Kahn and that they can't even support McCain - in fact they post links insuaitaing that he's a traiter. I was in VN for 2 tours and I don't think he's a traiter - in fact he's a hero! Far be it from me, a newcomer, to change this place, but the H*** with you guys, I've voted Republican since before most of you you were outta diapers. And where were you guys in 68 - 70; I was in II Corps.

Sheesh.

McCain is one of those individuals who is so full of himself there isn't any room for anything else. Being a hero requires much more than getting your sorry behind shot out of the sky and surviving internment in some hell hole prison camp. The experience should have built character, humility and wisdom, yet with McCain all it accomplished was ego reinforcement and a ticket to self-aggrandizing power. McCain is a traitor to the Constitution, he would, and did, usurp our First Amendment right to free speech, and broker deals with the socialist left to continue the trend toward bigger government. McCain also supports the invasion of illegal immigrants as a means of attracting Latino votes, no it's all about McCain. The war heroes in my family, from my father who fought in the Lafayette Escadrille in WWI, to my uncle who was on the Nevada at Pearl Harbor, to my cousin who survived disembowelment during the Tet Offensive, one and all, they seldom mentioned their experiences let alone exploit them for personal gain. No, McCain is like John Kerry, a phony I'd never vote for. As for me, in '68-'70 I was already so broken up and pinned back together, that the recruiter asked why I was waisting his time - so I really appreciate your service, and only wish I could have been there.

PS: That cousin went blind eventually from cataracts caused by the rocket strike that hit his bulldozer and gutted him. In the early 80's he had VA surgery that restored his vision, so he got in shape and reenlisted in the Navy Reserve returning to CPO rating. He served four years remaining of of his 20 building such things as runways in the Far East. All this so he could provide his family with benefits. He recently died of leukemia. Those are my heroes, God bless them all.

[45-70-]

We are in a state of emergency! The front runners are McCain, Obama and Clinton. None of those 3 have a good record on the 2nd amendment. I suggest you all spend the next year stocking up on what you need.

[Blaine]

I joined this forum to learn about leverguns and the pistols that such people favor. But I've learned that the people who post the most here can't be more farther right-wing than Gingus Kahn and that they can't even support McCain - in fact they post links insuaitaing that he's a traiter. I was in VN for 2 tours and I don't think he's a traiter - in fact he's a hero! Far be it from me, a newcomer, to change this place, but the H*** with you guys, I've voted Republican since before most of you you were outta diapers. And where were you guys in 68 - 70; I was in II Corps.

Sheesh.

Take a deep breath, Sir.......this is just the way America is meant to operate Are you in North Bend?

[J Miller]

I joined this forum to learn about leverguns and the pistols that such people favor. But I've learned that the people who post the most here can't be more farther right-wing than Gingus Kahn and that they can't even support McCain - in fact they post links insuaitaing that he's a traiter. I was in VN for 2 tours and I don't think he's a traiter - in fact he's a hero! Far be it from me, a newcomer, to change this place, but the H*** with you guys, I've voted Republican since before most of you you were outta diapers. And where were you guys in 68 - 70; I was in II Corps.

Sheesh.

Headimus Rectumus syndrome here.

North Bender, just because some one served in the military and ended up a POW does not make him a hero. Just a survivor. You need to get your head out of the clouds and do your research on McCain. This is no time for hero worship. I lived in Arizona a lot longer than I've lived in IL. I voted against McCain when he ran for senator the first time and I voted against him in the primary Tuesday.
Oh and for what it's worth I've also voted republican for the last 37 years, and in 68-70 I was in high school.
Not that it has any bearing on anything.

Oh and since you state "Far be it from me, a newcomer, to change this place, but the H*** with you guys," you've already indicated you don't think were up to your standards, and obviously feel we have not genuflected low enough to honor you.
The door swings both ways, don't let it hit you in the @$$ on the way out.

Joe

[Blaine]

I joined this forum to learn about leverguns and the pistols that such people favor. But I've learned that the people who post the most here can't be more farther right-wing than Gingus Kahn and that they can't even support McCain - in fact they post links insuaitaing that he's a traiter. I was in VN for 2 tours and I don't think he's a traiter - in fact he's a hero! Far be it from me, a newcomer, to change this place, but the H*** with you guys, I've voted Republican since before most of you you were outta diapers. And where were you guys in 68 - 70; I was in II Corps.

Sheesh.

Headimus Rectumus syndrome here.

North Bender, just because some one served in the military and ended up a POW does not make him a hero. Just a survivor. You need to get your head out of the clouds and do your research on McCain. This is no time for hero worship. I lived in Arizona a lot longer than I've lived in IL. I voted against McCain when he ran for senator the first time and I voted against him in the primary Tuesday.
Oh and for what it's worth I've also voted republican for the last 37 years, and in 68-70 I was in high school.
Not that it has any bearing on anything.

Oh and since you state "Far be it from me, a newcomer, to change this place, but the H*** with you guys," you've already indicated you don't think were up to your standards, and obviously feel we have not genuflected low enough to honor you.
The door swings both ways, don't let it hit you in the @$$ on the way out.

Joe

Joe, I'll defend your right to your opinion to my death, but I'm getting darn tired of your anti-military and LEO rants..... All military has and will again experience civilian life.

[North Bender]

Against my better judgement I checked back in.

What a crew. J. Miller, you answered my post about looking at .30-.30 Winchesters. That I appreciated, since it seems to be partly a levergun forum.

Then you wrote that McCain, while you were in High School, was just surviving. If you were in High School in 68 - 70, I assume you still had time to volunteer for the Army to help free McCain from his minor problem.

You might, as Ann Coulter writes now, find Hillary a better candidate. I do not. If you wish to give up on the mideast, Ok, ... it's hard to see what the heck you're saying.

What's with this blow: " ...and obviously feel we have not genuflected low enough to honor you." What in the world does that mean???

[Caco]

Am not qualified from a military experience perspective to make any judgments on McCain's military service. He obviously suffered as a POW while in the service of his country and I respect and appreciate all service men and women for their service and sacrafices.
It's not McCains service record that bothers me, It's his legislative record and the fact that he is willing to mislead people about it to get elected
Bluntly I think McCain isn't being truthful of his past record and probably not truthful about his plans for our future. The one position I trust him on is the Iraq war and war on terrorism.
I do believe however small the difference is, he would do less harm than a Dem. Hopefully the make up of the houses can be swayed conservative to balance things out.
God help us with a miracle
Dave

[Blaine]

Am not qualified from a military experience perspective to make any judgments on McCain's military service. He obviously suffered as a POW while in the service of his country and I respect and appreciate all service men and women for their service and sacrafices.
It's not McCains service record that bothers me, It's his legislative record and the fact that he is willing to mislead people about it to get elected
Bluntly I think McCain isn't being truthful of his past record and probably not truthful about his plans for our future. The one position I trust him on is the Iraq war and war on terrorism.
I do believe however small the difference is, he would do less harm than a Dem. Hopefully the make up of the houses can be swayed conservative to balance things out.
God help us with a miracle
Dave

That's what I tried to say, but you did better

[ByronG]

I joined this forum to learn about leverguns and the pistols that such people favor. But I've learned that the people who post the most here can't be more farther right-wing than Gingus Kahn and that they can't even support McCain - in fact they post links insuaitaing that he's a traiter. I was in VN for 2 tours and I don't think he's a traiter - in fact he's a hero! Far be it from me, a newcomer, to change this place, but the H*** with you guys, I've voted Republican since before most of you you were outta diapers. And where were you guys in 68 - 70; I was in II Corps.

Sheesh.

Headimus Rectumus syndrome here.

North Bender, just because some one served in the military and ended up a POW does not make him a hero. Just a survivor. You need to get your head out of the clouds and do your research on McCain. Joe

Mr Miller,
I, for one, get sick and tired of hearing what a lousy deal life has handed you. Here's a little homework that may enlighten you somewhat on McCain's time as a POW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

As for his politics, that is a separate matter.

[Dastook]

Wikipedia for a source??? That was written by McCain himself. Remember anyone can write whatever he wants in Wikipedia. Hey no doubt this election is going to be a crazy one. I to do not know how to vote. I am a true conservative, and have voted republican since I was old enough to vote. I did not serve in Vietnam, as I was just a little too young but I had a brother killed there. My father was wounded in WWII and I do respect and appreciate McCains service, but that does not make him a good president. When you look at what he has done in office it is scary to conservatives. From the "Gang of fourteen" to stop conservative judge appointees to shredding the constitution with McCain-Feingold to working with Kennedy on immigration. He is not a conservative. Remember when Kerry was considering asking McCain to join him on the democrat ticket for VP. That was all started by McCain. He approached Kerry and asked him to do it. He is not a loyal republican.

So, what do we do? I am going to concentrate on the House and Senate and pray that we can make some ground up there. With Senate control we might be able to stop some of the idiocy coming out of the house, and get some good judges approved.

[Whitedog]

McCain - not so hot record on 2nd issues. Probably won't push for any new restrictions and may be "persuaded" to oppose any on grounds it may cost him a 2nd term.

Klinton - I'm gonna be the first woman president. I am Queen, Maximum Leader, etc. I'll do as I darn well please. "We will take things away for the common good"

Obama - New Socialist Man, Socialist workers paradise etc. Kennedy supports him, will have his ear and give him his orders, nuff said.

[cpt Dan Blodgett]

Getting one's behind shot out of the sky does not make one a hero, nor does surviving as a POW for a number of years. Turning down a trip home early, hanging in there knowing what is coming, and being tortured repeatedly for having stayed and keeped faith with the other POWs does qualify one as a hero in my little book.

69 & 70 was in III Corps area

My dad a POW shot down on his 56h mission spent 13 months in Stalag 17B told me to save one for myself as the vietnamese would not treat POWs properly.

Actually while getting ones behind shot of the sky may not make on a hero perhaps flying day after day knowing your behind is about to be shot out of the sky does. In dad's case volunteered to go back over to europe after 52 missions on his first tour, shot down on 4th one on the second tour

[Dirty Dan]

I'm writing in Newt at the top of the ticket. The stuff comes out of the Senate, not the House so much.