Red dot on a lever?

[chainsaw]

Who has a red dot sight on their lever gun?I am thinking of putting one on my Win. 94,.44 mag.Pics?

[new pig hunter]

yep, I had a red dot on my Winchester Trapper for a couple of years, worked just fine. Decided to give a scope a try, haven't moved back to the red dot yet, I will eventually.

no pics, sorry .....

Cheers,

Carl

[chainsaw]

What mount did you use?My rifle is a 94 AE,do they make a one piece top mount for this gun?

[Pete44ru]

I had a small Tasco on a 94TE, that I mounted on top of the rear section of the bolt, between the rear end of the extractor and the locking lug surface, usins one of the two Weaver bases in a set meant for a B.A.R., IIRC. The curvatures atop the bolt and on the base undersides were close enough to work with simply D/T the 2 holes for the base.
The red dot simply moved back/forth with the bolt as the action was cycled.

I was shooting it at my club one day, and another member got VERY excited when he spotted it - and paid me outlandish money for the gun, after I let him testfire it. "comme ci, comme ca"

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[Paladin]

The peep site worked for my ailing eyes for a while but the red dot made it so much easier and faster. Sorry for posting this photo so much but to answer your request here it is again.

[Old No7]

Where's our neighborhood "Doc"??? (AJMD429)

I recall he has a levergun "bad times" rifle with a red dot mounted on it...

Is there a Doctor in the house???

Old No7

[AJMD429]

Where's our neighborhood "Doc"??? (AJMD429)
I recall he has a levergun "bad times" rifle with a red dot mounted on it...
Is there a Doctor in the house???

"Step aside, out of the way; coming through. . . I'm a doctor. . ."

( makes me barf when I see fellow MD's act that way... )

Anyway - here's the link to my "Night Scout Project" using a Rossi/Puma 92 - LOTS of pics.

• Night Scout Project - http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=31062

The thread ALSO links to my previous project using a Marlin 1894 - http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=23531. Note the "XS 'Scout' mount" I used on the Marlin could be used on the 92's & their clones if you didn't want the quick-detachability & lesser weight/bulk of the B-Square mount.

As you'll see, after lots of trial-and-error, I finally selected the Burris Fastfire-II holographic sight, because it is not only way smaller than the ordinary 'red-dot' sights, it proved far more useful in dusk, or even flashlight-illuminated darkness. Cost is quite a bit more, but it also appears to be more durable.
Here's one of the threads I posted comparing holographic sights - http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=28788]

For my purpose (a practical 'chore' gun for day or night use against farmyard vermin, useable as a home-defense firearm), the 'light' was integral and essential, but if you never intend to use the firearm under poor lighting conditions, no need to bother with the light; a 'quick-detach' mount would easily be workable for the light (even QD 30mm scope rings), but I just couldn't see the need to remove the light unless I pressed the gun into service during deer season (illegal here to hunt with any illumination). Same for the laser; it serves as a 'backup' dot for both-eyes-open shooting, or if you can't get the weapon to battery for some reason, and the tiny Burris Fastfire-II plus LaserMax combined are still smaller than most ordinary 'red dot' sights. The new LaserMax's are only about half the size of the one I have, even.

[new pig hunter]

AJMD,
where I come from, we say, "Step aside, out of the way; coming through . . . I'm an engineer . . ."
--- and,
I like that Burris setup !!

and I'm like Paladin, a red dot works for me. My eyes don't work well anymore with any sort of iron sight system.

Cheers,

Carl

[walks with gun]

Keep your original sights around though. You can put them back on to shoot at that danged red dot after you discover the batteries went dead for the second or third time.

[AJMD429]

Keep your original sights around though. You can put them back on to shoot at that danged red dot after you discover the batteries went dead for the second or third time.

So far no probs with Bushnell or the EoTech (which is on another gun), and I figure if the military feels they (EoTech and Trijicon, at least) are reliable enough for combat, they'll be ok for me to use where I'm far more likely to be aiming at a possum than a human adversary. I think one reason the holo-sights are more expensive than most red-dots are the electronic battery-saving features may be better.

One of the two reasons I have both laser sight and holo-sight was 'just in case' I did have a battery go bad, but it hasn't happened yet. The other reason is that with only the light from the one on the gun, a scurrying possum at 50 yards is far easier to be sure I'm aimed at with both laser and holo-sight on; dunno if it is due to shadows formed when there is only one light source, having both eyes open, or what, but it does make a difference.

As far as 'back-up' irons, I did start the Marlin that way, with the Williams WGRS (have to mount it backwards to get it on the rear two holes of the Marlin short-actions without it sticking out), but unless you have the XS-Scout mount with the built-in rear sight you have to mount something to replace the rear barrel-sight you have to remove to attach the XS-Scout base. The other problem with the XS-Scout base was that to use the backup peeps, I'd still have to remove the Burris and LaserMax; if I have time to do that, I have time to go back in the house and just get another gun! Might be helpful as an option if far afield, but not for me where I'm just "out in the back yard".

The better (for me) setup was the side-mount, which I used on the Rossi 92 - since the original factory sights remain not only un-touched, but un-blocked, you can just use them anytime you want. I'd prefer peeps, and might put the Marble's Bullseye on it sometime, but in any case, the irons are always ready to go. The quick-detach B-Square mount can come off in a hurry if I want to, as well, and the under-barrel light removes with just a turn of the scope-ring thumb screws.

I know the B-Square mounts for the 92's haven't a good reputation, but I think it is due to people mounting normal-sized scopes on them; unless it is a very compact/lightweight scope, recoil probably tends to put lots of torque on the mount, and precise alignment is pretty hard to maintain or restore upon reattaching the mount. With the little Burris/LaserMax setup, weight and size are so minimal, plus alignment less critical wirh red-dot/holo/laser sights than with a scope, since you're wanting +/- 1" at 25 yards vs. at 100 yards.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Here is some FastFires.





For the 92 this setup keeps the sight line low enough that you can still get a decent cheek weld.

Otherwise you end up with something like this.

[Old Time Hunter]

Not the prettiest paddle (the rifle) in the boat, but helps the young 'un stay on target.

[piller]

Sorry, no pictures, but PillHer has a red dot Tasco on her 336C and has done fine with it.

[jeepnik]

Not a red dot, but a holo sight. I find them easier to use.



It a C-More

[chainsaw]

That is one nice looking rifle jeepnik.

[jeepnik]

That is one nice looking rifle jeepnik.

Thanks. I have to admit it's my favorite rifle. Not shown here are the saftey removal, and the Happy Trigger, and of course the Bear Proof Extractor. I can't think of anything else I would want to change, except maybe find someone to do a stainless octagon barrel. I know some folks don't like the girth of the forend, but I like that big ole hunk of wood to hang onto.

[AJMD429]

Not a red dot, but a holo sight. I find them easier to use.

Smaller, too, in many cases; here's the Burris Fastfire-II plus the older (larger) LaserMax, and the B-Square QD-mount, compared to a fairly ordinary 30mm 'red-dot' sight.



The above setup not only puts an automatically brightness-adjusted 'virtual' dot on the target that is visible in bright sunlight but not glaring in flashlighted-darkness, but also projects a red laser-dot actually out TO the target as well, and does so with compact reliability.

Definitely an option to consider if you want something you can use in whatever 'environment' happens to be going on when you need to pick up and use the gun.

[.Dirty-.Thirty]

I tried a red-dot scope on a .30/30, one box of ammo and I took it off, put a scout scope on it and like it much better. At 100 yards the dot on mine covered 4 inches, Some others cover more.

[AJMD429]

I tried a red-dot scope on a .30/30, one box of ammo and I took it off, put a scout scope on it and like it much better. At 100 yards the dot on mine covered 4 inches, Some others cover more.

True. If you don't care where within that four inch circle at 100 yards your bullet goes, and just want it there fast, a 'dot' scope will do it, or if you want to do it at night, but if you want precision and have consistent lighting conditions, a scope (either 'scout' or 'regular') will always be better.

Definitely a place for both types. I'd normally scope a 'rifle' and not a 'carbine'.

[El Chivo]

Definitely a place for both types. I'd normally scope a 'rifle' and not a 'carbine'.

Funny, but I would go the other way around. The rifle has decent sight radius and more weight, while the carbine lacks the sight radius and is light enough so the weight of the scope isn't too much. Also there is the matter of balance, and the scope balances better for me on the short carbines than it does on rifles.

About the red dots, I think they're a natural for leverguns - fast pickup, short shots, but I wish they looked a little less hi-tech.

[Blaine]

No more rules....Do whatever works and/or you like it.

[EndGameAK]

Here are pics of my USRAC/Moruku 1886EL with a Burris FastFire II on a Turnbull mount. I really like the rig. It's handy, quick on target and weighs much less than most of the "full sized" '86s ... 7#12oz. I intend to use it as a moose rifle ... good for out to 200 yards. I also carry it in the summer on backcountry trips. Very comforting in bear country.

I also had Turnbull and crew do away with the odious tang safety and restore it to J. Browning's design, half-cock and all. They sure do nice work.

[chainsaw]

That fastfire must be a good sight,isee a LOT of them.i,m going to pick one up this summer and try it on my Redhawk.