OT What .22 semi-auto pistol

Otto · Post by **Otto** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:40 pm

Primarily for plinking & target shooting. Occasional pest control.

Post by **Hobie** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:42 pm

Ruger MK II 5½" Bull barrel. #1 choice but any Ruger .22 self-loader, the Buckmark or S&W422 6" adjustable will do fine.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:47 pm

You gotta Glock, Browning HP or a 1911? If you do, you can get a .22 Upper & magazines MAILED to your door for about the cost of a mid-range pistol, but without the 4473...

Otto · Post by **Otto** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:49 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:You gotta Glock, Browning HP or a 1911? If you do, you can get a .22 Upper & magazines MAILED to your door for about the cost of a mid-range pistol, but without the 4473...

Yes, but I assumed those would need fitting, and I am pretty confident in my ability to muck that up.

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:52 pm

Grandson Jerry3 has a Ruger 4 inch 22/45 that non pistol shooters can hit with. It is scary accurate and reliable.

Post by **Hobie** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:54 pm

Otto wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:You gotta Glock, Browning HP or a 1911? If you do, you can get a .22 Upper & magazines MAILED to your door for about the cost of a mid-range pistol, but without the 4473...
Yes, but I assumed those would need fitting, and I am pretty confident in my ability to muck that up.

They will not. If you can field strip the pistol you can switch to .22 LR.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:58 pm

Ruger 22/45. Has the feel of a 1911.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:00 pm

Hobie wrote:
Otto wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:You gotta Glock, Browning HP or a 1911? If you do, you can get a .22 Upper & magazines MAILED to your door for about the cost of a mid-range pistol, but without the 4473...
Yes, but I assumed those would need fitting, and I am pretty confident in my ability to muck that up.
They will not. If you can field strip the pistol you can switch to .22 LR.

Hobie's absolutely right. They are drop-on direct-swap kits. Change the slide/barrel and change the magazine. That's it. The Military has been using .22 subcaliber kits for years (Colt ACE and the Ceiner .22 for the M16).

I have had 2 variants of Glock Kit ( one on a G27 and one on a G19) and both have worked extremely well.

Kimber makes a pricey one for their pricey 1911s.

Lookie Here: http://www.22lrconversions.com/

Otto · Post by **Otto** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:01 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
Hobie wrote:
Otto wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:You gotta Glock, Browning HP or a 1911? If you do, you can get a .22 Upper & magazines MAILED to your door for about the cost of a mid-range pistol, but without the 4473...
Yes, but I assumed those would need fitting, and I am pretty confident in my ability to muck that up.
They will not. If you can field strip the pistol you can switch to .22 LR.
Hobie's absolutely right. They are drop-on direct-swap kits. Change the slide/barrel and change the magazine. That's it. The Military has been using .22 subcaliber kits for years (Colt ACE and the Ceiner .22 for the M16).

I have had 2 variants of Glock Kit ( one on a G27 and one on a G19) and both have worked extremely well.

Is series 80/series 70 relevant?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:03 pm

Otto wrote:Is series 80/series 70 relevant?

Not to my knowledge.

http://www.22lrconversions.com/

Post by **Hobie** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:04 pm

Tactical Solutions makes the best 1911 conversion. Just ask Jeff Quinn!

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:05 pm

Hobie wrote:Tactical Solutions makes the best 1911 conversion. Just ask Jeff Quinn!

Haven't played with theirs. Only Ceiner, Colt ACE & Advantage Arms.

Otto · Post by **Otto** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:09 pm

I note that Ciener offers 19111 and M92 kits. Is there any compelling reason to choose one over the other, aside from one's preference for the specific pistol design?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:11 pm

Otto wrote:I note that Ciener offers 19111 and M92 kits. Is there any compelling reason to choose one over the other, aside from one's preference for the specific pistol design?

Nope. Whichever you feel most comfortable shooting/want the most trigger time with.

Be aware though, Mr. Ceiner has a fair wait-time on his orders, and you can't order online. He's pretty old-school.

Old No7 · Post by **Old No7** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:23 pm

What Hobie said:

"Ruger MK II 5½" Bull barrel. #1 choice..."

You can use it as-is for plinking or hunting -- or jazz it up for bullseye target shooting too.

MkII for Postals 001.JPG

Old No7

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:23 pm

But you can get it through Midway.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=110915

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:55 pm

Nobody makes one as durable, affordable, and reliable as the Rugers that is as accurate. The only 'decision' in my mind is:

stainless vs. blued (unless you're a nicklophobe, get the stainless )
drift-adjustable vs. 'target' vs. after-market sights (I actually like peeps... )
length and taper of barrel (what feels best to you)
Crimson trace grips or not (...and that is a definite 'yes' despite the cost...! )

The only other semi-auto .22 LR handguns I'd consider are:

Ruger's "Charger" - shares after-market stuff and parts with the ubiquitous 10/22 - but it is very large and awkward
Calico's M-150 - because it holds 100 rounds in the magazine and looks cool - but even larger than the Charger
A Beretta 'Tip-up' or Taurus copy of it - true 'hideout' or pocket guns vs. the larger Rugers
An AMT 'clone' of the Ruger Mark-II - because it is grooved for scope rings

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:21 pm

See if you can rent or borrow a couple first. My personal preference is the Buckmark but it may not feel right for you. I've owned 2 Ruger MkIIs and they never felt "right" to me.

Hobie wrote:
Otto wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:You gotta Glock, Browning HP or a 1911? If you do, you can get a .22 Upper & magazines MAILED to your door for about the cost of a mid-range pistol, but without the 4473...
Yes, but I assumed those would need fitting, and I am pretty confident in my ability to muck that up.
They will not. If you can field strip the pistol you can switch to .22 LR.

I'm going to add one, small caveat: no smithing required IF your 1911 frame is in spec. The Kimber kit I had would work fine on a Colt frame but NOT the Para-Ord frame I bought it for. Turns out the Para frame had a little meat left on the inside of the frame where the barrel link sits. A few minutes with some fine files brought everything into working order.

I got a heck of a deal on a very lightly used Tac-Sol kit and it fits my Para and the Colt I have access to. It's a lot more than I "need" from a conversion but the deal was too good to pass up. That's the only reason the Kimber conversion kit went down the road.

Some friendly advice, so take it FWIW and what you paid for it...

If you're going to go with Ceiner, buy from a vendor. Based on what friends and acquaintances I trust have told me, his customer service is lacking (everything is your fault) but if you go through someone like Brownell's or Midway they resolve the issue for you.

Series 70/80 shouldn't matter. AFAIK all are engineered for the Series 80 (since it's so prevalent) but both kits I've used work on a Series 80 Para-Ord and a Colt frame that was made before the engineers who came up with the Series 70 and 80 were born.

Buffboy · Post by **Buffboy** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:41 am

Not much to add to Hobie's idea, the Ruger 5 1/2 bull barrel pistols are pretty nice. I have 2, a MK 1 & a Mk 2. IMO they point better than the longer barreled versions. Never have liked the 22/45 Rugers though I can't give a valid reason, I just don't.

As far as 1911 22lrs go I'm thinking this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =194846185

I haven't handled one yet but they look promising, are less $ than most conversions and there'd be no swapping out uppers. I have handled the puma/chippia(sp?) 22 1911 and I wasn't impressed. I'm hoping the Mitchell show has one to coon finger. If I like, it's probably coming home with me.

flusher · Post by **flusher** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:01 pm

Get a Colt Woodsman

stretch · Post by **stretch** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:55 pm

What Hobie said.

The factory triggers can use some improvement; either
alter the geometry yourself or drop in the Volquartzen kit.

Better grips are also available - Volquartzen or Hogue. The
Hogue is the preference for field use.

Extremely accurate, loads of fun, cheap to shoot, and
powerful enough for pest control.

-Stretch

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:03 pm

I'm with the boys who chose a Ruger. I have a stainless competition version with about 20K out of it. My buddy Joe, who owns Miller's Sporting Goods has logged over 60K out of an old Mark1

---------Sixgun

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:15 pm

Tycer wrote:Ruger 22/45. Has the feel of a 1911.

+1

I have a MkIII 4" and its a great shooter! I really like it. I also have a standard MkII 4" all blue (one of the commemorative ones) and it's just as good.

Have an El Paso Saddlery rig for the 22/45 - perfect knock-about companion.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:53 pm

Ruger Mk II or III...bull bbl. I like the Government Target Model I've had for about 20 years. If I were going to bet money on a match or hitting something, this would be the one. I had a scope on it once, and it will put them in the same hole at 50 feet all day long.

abcollector · Post by **abcollector** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:14 pm

As the others have said... Ruger MKII or III, but I personally wouldn't do a MKIII unless it was a very good buy. Nothing wrong with it I'm sure, just don't like the "Loaded chamber" indicator on the left side of the receiver. I'm actually working on getting a couple of MKII's. Ruger doesn't make them anymore and even though you still see them around, there are getting fewer and more expensive.

I also have a couple of Advantage Arms conversion kits for a Glock and 1911. I highly recommend them, they are top quality and pretty accurate. The Glock one seems to feed a wider variety of ammo (read as some of the bulk/cheap stuff) than the 1911 kit but my 1911 kit I bought used and it is of an older model that they have improved on. I still love it and with CCI mini mags, you can empty the magazine as fast as you can squeeze the trigger.

I'm sure the other conversions kit are as good also. I love the fact that you don't have to do the paper work/waiting period (at least for us in CA

), and have two guns in one.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:35 pm

I like Hobie's recommendations, but would add to that almost any High Standard you could get your hands on.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:50 am

Here you go Otto: in Classifieds, by grahng . Always nice to keep sales between Members...

Like new, Perfect condition, beautiful and less than 100 rounds down the barrel.
TYPE: Semi-Automatic Pistol SIGHTS: Front: Fiber Optic Rear: Adjustable
CAL: 22LR
BARREL LGTH: 6.88" Target Crowned Fluted Barrel
FINISH: Stainless Steel
ACTION: Single Action
WEIGHT: 41 oz
STOCK: Flat, Half Smooth, Half Checkered Cocobolo currently wearing a Hogue grip.
CAPACITY: 10+1
FEATURES: Magazine Disconnect, Loaded Chamber Indicator
Weaver Style Base Adapter
Picutes upon request. Could not get them to download. Sorry
Price: $425

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30166

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:12 am

Old Ironsights wrote:
Hobie wrote:Tactical Solutions makes the best 1911 conversion. Just ask Jeff Quinn!
Haven't played with theirs. Only Ceiner, Colt ACE & Advantage Arms.

My Advantage Arms in a Glock 17 works flawlessly. Best money I've ever spent is on .22LR conversions for my Glock and AR15.

Rob

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:01 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:almost any High Standard you could get your hands on.

I can't believe I forgot about the High Standards!

I had an old Model A (or maybe C? It didn't have the exposed hammer) that was fun and a Duramatic M101 (IIRC) that was REALLY fun with a 4" barrel. Both got away in my C&R horse trading days.

I'd love an AA kit for my G19 but I last time I looked they were backordered 12-14 weeks and my ADD won't let me wait that long before I want to use the funds for something else...

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:23 pm

I agree that the Rugers ae a good choice. I have a Mark II Bull and an old tapered barrel Standard. Both are very good shooters. I had a S&W 422 6" with adjustable sights (was stolen back in 1990) that was almost as accurate as my Rugers. I also had an old Colt Challenger that looked great but wasn't very accurate. My son talked me out of that one.

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:34 pm

I am going to jump on Hobie's bandwagon. A Ruger Mk II 5.5" bull barrel is hard to beat. For plinking and informal target shooting it is just fine as it comes from the box.

I have a Ruger MK II with a Douglas barrel and trigger job that I use in our 22 falling plate competition. It was worked over by Clark Custom.

I recently bought another Mk II that came with some extra grips and magazines. After I sold off the extra grips and magazines I only had $235.00 in the pistol. For another $85.00 I can add a drop in Volquartsen trigger, hammer and sear and have a trigger pull as good or better than my high dollar Clark. The Ruger factory barrel will do a fellow just fine untill they get into high level Bullseye shooting.

Long story short, the Ruger 5.5 bull barrel pistols are an excellent plinking pistol as they come from the box and can be upgraded for any level of target shooting/competition a fellow might want. They are brute strong and have more lives than a cat. The reassembly drill is a little quirky until you get it down and then it is a piece of cake.

In our competition the Rugers do just fine against Brownings, Berettas, Smith 41s (set up with Olympic weights) and even a Hammerli. If you have a Ruger, Weigand, Volquartsen and rimfiresports.com are you friends.

If you find the all steel Rugers to heavy the plastic framed Ruger 22/45 are lighter and can be upgraded just like the heavier Mk IIs and Mk IIIs. Most serious rimfire shooters hunt up an older Mk II rather than the current Mk III. The Mk II "improvements" really were not..improvement I mean. Mk I and II magazines will interchange, but not the Mk III.

Wiegand sells Weaver type scope mounts for all vintages of Rug3rs, drill and tapped or not. A red dot or smaller reflex sight really makes a different in shooting one of these in both speed and accuracy.

I love old High-Standards and Colts, but the Ruger is a far better pistol for most uses and cost much less.

Some of the Rugers will give some extraction and ejection problem causing stove-pipe jams and other issues. The problem is the factory extractor is a stamped part and the stamping sometimes reduced the grabbing edge too much. Volquartsen sells a machined extractor with twice the "bite" of the factory part for about $12.00. One of these will cure the problem if it exists at all.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:50 pm

Durn it Charles, you're really making me think about trying a MkII for a third time...

Irelander · Post by **Irelander** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:36 am

You say you need something for pest control? Well if you don't usually carry earplugs around, you might as well spend a little extra and fix it up like this:

That is my Browning Buckmark with a Tactical Solutions 4" threaded barrel and a Tactical Innovations TAC65 suppressor. The grips are Kimber 1911 grips on a grip adapter plate made by a guy over at Rimfirecentral.com. Them pests never hear it coming and I don't blow my ears out.

L_Kilkenny · Post by **L_Kilkenny** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:59 am

I too like the Rugers even though a Browning isn't a bad choice either. A couple things I wish I "might" of done when I bought my MKII 22/45:

Stainless. Why in the world did I not get stainless. But I should add the blueing and steel on my blued 22/45 has been very durable and has never rusted even with my bad cleaning habits.

4"? Mine has the 5.5" bull barrel and is very accurate. There are times when I wish I would of bought the 4" fluted bull instead though.

I really like the looks of the new MKIII 22/45's that use/accept 1911 grip panels. But the magazine safety makes it harder to tear down and I could care less if I have a loaded chamber indicator.

If you're wanting something to carry easier you might look at the Bersa/Firestorm .22's. Kinda a walther copy and have a good reputation. Hard to find though.

LK

williamranks · Post by **williamranks** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:20 pm

IZH/BAIKAL 35M
Russian Olympic pistol. Off a sandbag it'll put so many into one hole you'll get bored.
Trigger adjustable for position, pull weight, overtravel, and sear engagement.
I paid $400 back in '04 and their still out there for that price.
Got the photo off the net. The scope mount comes with it.

alnitak · Post by **alnitak** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:22 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:You gotta Glock, Browning HP or a 1911? If you do, you can get a .22 Upper & magazines MAILED to your door for about the cost of a mid-range pistol, but without the 4473...

Also Sig (various models). Mine is great...drops right in, is accurate, and I exchanged the mag spring so now I get 15 rounds vs. 10.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:26 pm

Irelander wrote:

The grips are Kimber 1911 grips on a grip adapter plate made by a guy over at Rimfirecentral.com.

Now that looks good with those 1911 stocks! Hmmm...

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:59 pm

Some of my .22 caliber pistols. Depending on what you want for the main purpose of the gun here are a few to pick from. I would recommend the .22 cal adapter kits on which ever your most carried duty or carry gun. The more trigger time you get on the system the better you will shoot the real caliber. I also sometimes carry the .22 Cal kit in my bag when traveling if I get a chance to plink latter. Cheaper than buying a gun, can be more accurate, and better training.
Good luck on your choice.

Irelander · Post by **Irelander** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:22 pm

I'd stay clear of the Walther P22s. I know they are neat guns and very fun to shoot but there are way too many reports of problems with reliability and breakage.

Stick to the Ruger, Buckmark, or Marvel .22 conversion. Proven designs for years of fun.

Beaker · Post by **Beaker** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:13 pm

Ok, yesterday I attended a .22 rifle and pistol match where we shot clay targets, bowling pins standing and suspended (boy those 7-10 split spares are sure hard to pick up with a .22 slug

) various reactive steel targets. Since I do not have a pistol, I had to borrow one. I used my Marlin model 60SS with the Henry 4X fixed scope and my Henry Golden boy with the open semi buckhorn sights. What a blast I had.
Besides the guns mentioned above, I also have my .22 Henry Accu Bolt, Henry BSA centennial golden boy (for display only), Henry brass and octagon .30-30 , my two 12guage shotguns and my Remington 550-1 (now retired since I bought the Model 60).

I do not own a pistol. I have always wanted to find a nice replica of a US military 1903 Springfield in 30-06 and have wanted to get a SAA copy in .45 colt and a matching .22 as a pistol but most likely would only get the .22 single action. I have also been thinking about getting a single shot .270, .308 or .30-06 for target shooting as I do not hunt now. Most of my work is with .22's as most other caliber or guages are too expensive to shoot much unless I started reloading. I have not been much for semi auto pistols. After the match they gun pushers were putting some nice Ruger Mark III's and 22/45's in my hand for fitting. Wow, its really tempting to purchase one. I need to find someone to talk me out of it or I may end up with a .22 auto pistol soon. I dont need a pistol as I am a rifle man. But the .22 auto pistol was so much fun and would complement my rifles....

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:20 am

A good 22 lr pistol is probably the most useful handgun around. With it you can have loads of fun and feed yourself and you family in a pinch. Not the best defense weaponk, but a 10 rn magazine in the vitals will strap a real hurting on any bad guy. I have spent weeks at a time among the tribes of the Amazon basis with nothing but a Colt Huntsman to feed myself with and keep me company around the fire when I was the only "white man" withing 100 miles in any direction.

Due to the special conditon and usefullness of a 22 lr hangun, it does not dimish your status as a rifleman to own one. Heck..Townsend Whelen owned and used one and he was "Mr. Rifleman".

Markbo · Post by **Markbo** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:32 am

I will never do business again with J.A. Ciener as long as I live. He will not stand by his products and you just try to get him on the phone if you have a problem. I dare you. I do not badmouth vendors lightly because I am all too aware that one angry voice can quiet 100 happy customers. This is just one example of where to find more information:
http://donotbuyciener22lrconversions.org/

It is easy to claim customer satisfaction, it is another entirely to deliver it.

And with all due respect to Jeff Quinn, my Marvel .22 conversion kits will outshoot any TacSol kit ever produced, short of a custom one-off-special. If i remember correctly he was shooting groups somewhere around twice the size of a quarter. I assure you the Marvel beats that measure by a good margin.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:11 pm

Markbo wrote:I will never do business again with J.A. Ciener as long as I live. He will not stand by his products and you just try to get him on the phone if you have a problem. I dare you. I do not badmouth vendors lightly because I am all too aware that one angry voice can quiet 100 happy customers. This is just one example of where to find more information:
http://donotbuyciener22lrconversions.org/

It is easy to claim customer satisfaction, it is another entirely to deliver it.

And with all due respect to Jeff Quinn, my Marvel .22 conversion kits will outshoot any TacSol kit ever produced, short of a custom one-off-special. If i remember correctly he was shooting groups somewhere around twice the size of a quarter. I assure you the Marvel beats that measure by a good margin.

Well, mine have worked well for me without fitting or problem.

I will admit that Mr Ciener is an onry cuss that won't get with modern Web Marketing, but that's simply an irritant for the modern era. 30 years ago nobody would have blinked twice.

Also, as much as I liked the Advantage Armes product, for a considerable amount of time the were simply not available. I actually got my kit faster through Ciener than waiting for AA to get more Glock Uppers to market... which, BTW are not available from AA itself, but only through stocking vendors. At least you CAN order a Ciener directly from the source. It may not be fun, but it can be done.

As for cunstomer service? Again, I don't know. I've never had a problem with the products, either in an AR or on my Glock.

Beaker · Post by **Beaker** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:39 pm

Due to the overwhelming pressure I have been receiving i finally succombed and ordered a Ruger Mark III hunter pistol with the 6.88 inch barrell and two additional magazines. It was cheaper than the NIB Marlin texan .22 carbine.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:18 am

Irelander wrote:You say you need something for pest control? Well if you don't usually carry earplugs around, you might as well spend a little extra and fix it up like this:

That is my Browning Buckmark with a Tactical Solutions 4" threaded barrel and a Tactical Innovations TAC65 suppressor. The grips are Kimber 1911 grips on a grip adapter plate made by a guy over at Rimfirecentral.com. Them pests never hear it coming and I don't blow my ears out.

OMG, I'm in LOVE! Putting 1911 grips onto a Buckmark would be fantastic!!! The threaded barrel would be gravy too. I have an older flat-sided one. Could you PM me with details on what it cost to make those upgrades?