'New' Winchester Model 1886 (photos)
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'New' Winchester Model 1886 (photos)
Gents, I'm a happy fellow. Yesterday I brought home an original Winchester Model 1886 .45-70 that was received in the Winchester warehouse July 1, 1890 and shipped out August 4, 1890. The bore is gorgeous, shiny with sharp rifling right from chamber throat to muzzle, action is crisp and it feed rounds slick as a whistle. I had to sell a couple of guns to make the purchase (an original Springfield Model 1888 and a Winchester Model 53 in 25-20), but it was worth it as far as I am concerned. I'm off to the range at lunch time to see how the old classic performs. Here's a couple photos .....
This first one shows some of the remaining case hardening colors still visible ....
and here's the whole rifle ....
This first one shows some of the remaining case hardening colors still visible ....
and here's the whole rifle ....
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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Another beauty. Will she be posing for any future calenders? 1886.
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Probably not this year, as I already have another '86 in the 2011 calendar. But when I get a chance, I'll be making a nice desktop photo of the old rifle.
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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SLIPPERS!! WE NEED SLIPPERS!!
But it's a beautiful rilfe. Hope it shoots as good as it looks.
But it's a beautiful rilfe. Hope it shoots as good as it looks.
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Congratulations Kirk, that is a great looking "86". The one I have was made in 1889. It shoots great. Have fun. We seem to move in the same direction.
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Sweet looking rifles Gents.
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That's a nice clean rifle, Kirk, and a much better investment than the one you had considered a few weeks back. I have a very similar 1890 vintage 1886, but mine is a .38-56 WCF.
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Mike D, so is mine. 38-56 is fun to shoot and accurate for me.
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i have two .38-56s, that one and a 1907 vintage ELTD with special ordered 1/2 oct bbl. Both have mint bores, but the 1890 gun is .379 and the late on .376. I shoot mostly jacketed from the 1907 rifle and lead from the older one. Both are highly accurate and much more capable than my eyes are.
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Mike, That looks to be pretty good shooting from less than capable eyes! 1886.
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MikeD, except for the caliber, our rifles are almost twins from the same year. For your interest, mine is serial # 46248. That takedown of yours is gorgeous!
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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I didn't want to hijack Kirk's thread, but 1886s get me wound up. The rifle in that pic shot the 50 yd group with 200 gr .375 Sierra FPs pushed by 42 grs IMR 4895. It's a cracking HV load that's not to be used in the older mild steel steel barrels.1886 wrote:Mike, That looks to be pretty good shooting from less than capable eyes! 1886.
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Kirk, my gun is 45925. The ELTD is 13790X. It's funny how captivating those rifles are. We get taken by their aesthetics and it becomes almost an obsession.KirkD wrote:MikeD, except for the caliber, our rifles are almost twins from the same year. For your interest, mine is serial # 46248. That takedown of yours is gorgeous!
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Beautiful rifles, guys. You're right, Mike. 86's are captivating!
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really 1886s are captivating? I wasn't aware! Ok I am a sarcastic sort! OH YEAH to all the guys that posted the pics
drool!!!!
I WANT ANOTHER ONE SOOO BAD, BUT MY KID KEEPS TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO EAT EVERYDAY.
drool!!!!
I WANT ANOTHER ONE SOOO BAD, BUT MY KID KEEPS TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO EAT EVERYDAY.
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Absolutely gorgeous! Congratulations to all! I am going to change my drool bib now.
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Beautiful old firearms Kirk and Mike. Wish I could "justify" getting an 1886. Those are very nice.
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Nice guns all around. I want another one, an original this time, so bad I can taste it. My '95 SRC in .30-40 Krag come first tho.
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My thoughts exactlyRIHMFIRE wrote:real Beautiful rifles, guys.
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Kirk, I reckon that 86 will be in the deer woods this fall. very nice rifle.
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Yea right ....nice try. I'm not gonna get an original 86..I will..must resist. .
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I totally understand your pain. I've got a Miroku '86 in 45-90 and it's a very well made piece, but it's not an original and that tends to haunt me..45colt wrote:Yea right ....nice try. I'm not gonna get an original 86..I will..must resist. .
Beautiful rifles guys.
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Missed this thread yesterday as I was busy stripping and cleaning my 4-digit serial number 1886 and putting back the original sights. It's a 40-65 and I could never get it to shoot accurately so I decided it had to go. The bore slugs at 0.408, which limits the available bullet types and the chamber is so tight that the only brass that will chamber is that which I form myself from Remington 45-70, pushed all the way into a 40-65 RCBS die without a shellholder, then knocked back out with a brass drift.
I have a Browning '86 that is superbly accurate, so it's not as if I really need the Winchester but, having read all the posts, I am thinking that I am privileged to own a piece of history like this and disposing of it will be something I would regret for a long time.
I have decided to keep the Winchester, have it put back on my licence and have another go at developing an accurate load.
Thanks guys.
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I have a Browning '86 that is superbly accurate, so it's not as if I really need the Winchester but, having read all the posts, I am thinking that I am privileged to own a piece of history like this and disposing of it will be something I would regret for a long time.
I have decided to keep the Winchester, have it put back on my licence and have another go at developing an accurate load.
Thanks guys.
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Nice one Kirk
Perry, I think that is a wise decision!!!
Perry, I think that is a wise decision!!!
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Perry, you might try a custom mould that drops them at .409 or .408. Use a soft cast alloy, and if the bullet is too large to chamber, take some of your cases, stick the end in a drill chuck, and then take a fine file and thin the case necks by filing the outside of the neck as the drill turns. You should be able to get away with .009 thick neck walls. If you have sized 45-70 brass down to 40 cal, chances are that the case neck walls are too thick anyway.
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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B E A U T Y Kirk!
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Kirk, thanks for the tips. I have tracked down a Magma 40-65 mould that's claimed to drop at 0.410. Somewhere around I have an outside neck trimmer and I can turn a pilot for it if I need it. I have to form 40-65 from 45-70 as none of the UK suppliers ever have Starline 40-65 brass in stock.
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Very nice Kirk, I wish you all that older stuff. I'll take the new ones.
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Beautiful rifle Kirk.
My BIL collects 1886s the way I've collected 1894/94s... I just have the Browning .45-70 and am satisfied... as it's a shooter... but the originals have something the Browning lacks... But, as my BIL sez, "...I think Barrett Jackson has discovered the Winchester 1886!" Prices are just outta sight on auctions.
Perry,
How hard is Bertram brass to get ahold of in the UK? Maybe it ain't quite the quality of Jamison or Starline, but... I know my .40-90SBN cases are properly formed and sized for my Sharps. Being a member of the Commonwealth oughta count for something!
My BIL collects 1886s the way I've collected 1894/94s... I just have the Browning .45-70 and am satisfied... as it's a shooter... but the originals have something the Browning lacks... But, as my BIL sez, "...I think Barrett Jackson has discovered the Winchester 1886!" Prices are just outta sight on auctions.
Perry,
How hard is Bertram brass to get ahold of in the UK? Maybe it ain't quite the quality of Jamison or Starline, but... I know my .40-90SBN cases are properly formed and sized for my Sharps. Being a member of the Commonwealth oughta count for something!
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Griff, one supplier lists it but it is the equivalent of $3 a piece. At that price it goes on the "last resort" list.Griff wrote:
Perry,
How hard is Bertram brass to get ahold of in the UK? Maybe it ain't quite the quality of Jamison or Starline, but... I know my .40-90SBN cases are properly formed and sized for my Sharps. Being a member of the Commonwealth oughta count for something!
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Beautiful rifle Kirk.
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Love to see all those "86". I am not sure but maybe this one also is made 1890. Serial 48338. Caliber 45-90.
Have been looking for one in 45-70 but so far no luck. Up to now I only have two in 45-90 and one in 50 Ex.
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Have been looking for one in 45-70 but so far no luck. Up to now I only have two in 45-90 and one in 50 Ex.
Best regards,
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Gents, they are all just so beautiful, thanks for sharing the pics. I would love one in 45/70, one will come my way one day.
Perry, dont even think of ridding yourself of that rifle, you will regret it I am sure. Treasure it.
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Beautiful Rifles guys. There is just something about those 1886s.
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Stefan, you have a beautiful 86 there, with a half octagon and a button mag.Hombre wrote: I am not sure but maybe this one also is made 1890. Serial 48338. Caliber 45-90.
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
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This is my "86" shooter. I use it on hogs. It is in 33 Winchester, made around 1903 I think. It shoots great and I don't mind taken it into the brush. I bought it in the valley from a family that would not give me any provenance on it because of the lawsuits going on down there. There are 51 notches on the forearm. If it could only talk.
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This one I must admit that I am very proud of. Made 1894, I think. Caliber 50 Ex. No octagonal barrel and full lenght magazine
but I still love it.
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but I still love it.
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Rangerider7, what do you do for brass and bullets for your 33 WCF?
Stefan, that is another beautiful '86. Did you mean to say 'button' magazine rather than 'full length' magazine?
Stefan, that is another beautiful '86. Did you mean to say 'button' magazine rather than 'full length' magazine?
Kirk: An old geezer who loves the smell of freshly turned earth, old cedar rail fences, wood smoke, a crackling fireplace on a snowy evening, pristine wilderness lakes, the scent of
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
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Hombre wrote:Love to see all those "86". I am not sure but maybe this one also is made 1890. Serial 48338. Caliber 45-90.
Have been looking for one in 45-70 but so far no luck. Up to now I only have two in 45-90 and one in 50 Ex.
Best regards,
Stefan
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I'd give my eye teeth for this one
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KirkD, what I meant is that I should prefer a full lenght magazine and an octagonal barrel but that this is what I found.KirkD wrote:Stefan, that is another beautiful '86. Did you mean to say 'button' magazine rather than 'full length' magazine?
Sorry for not being so good in explaining myself in the english language but I am working on it.
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No problem, Stefan. The 50 Ex is a rare caliber and very desirable in any configuration. You are very fortunate to own one.
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cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
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Hey Kirk, I am not Rangerider but.... I resize 45-70 brass using a 38-56 die to start and then I finish with a 33WCF die for my 86 in 33wcf. Now as for bullets I have a couple boxes of the long discontinued hornady 3315s which I hoard, and I am trying(with some pretty good success) to find a cast boolit load for the old girl using 5744. I am also a member of castboolits and several of the guys have sent me 338 to 340 cast 250 grain lead flat points which I am trying. I am in a group buy for a mold which is a flat point and designed to throw a fat 339 225 grain gas checked slug which I hope will be perfect for my 86. Hope this helps and when we get the molds if anybody wants some bullets to try, just give me a holler. Tom
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KirkD, I don't reload so I get them from http://www.gadcustomcartridges.com/
They shoot great.
They shoot great.
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Thanks Fordwannabee and Rangerider7 for that info. Very interesting site and the price look quite reasonable.
Kirk: An old geezer who loves the smell of freshly turned earth, old cedar rail fences, wood smoke, a crackling fireplace on a snowy evening, pristine wilderness lakes, the scent of
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/
cedars and a magnificent Whitetail buck framed in the semi-buckhorn sights of a 120-year old Winchester.
Blog: https://www.kirkdurston.com/