OT- Mauser

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:31 pm

I'm sitting here thinking Mausers and was wondering which current/recent models use the Mauser action for their rifles?

I've been looking at them and mostly found surplus guns in the usual, 6.5/7/8mm. I kinda like the idea of something newer and in a different caliber, like a magnum of some kind.

I am just thinking(typing) out loud here.....

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:45 pm

The Rem 700 and Win Mod70 are both pretty close in design to the Mauser.

nemhed · Post by **nemhed** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:54 pm

Remington sells the imported 798 which is the same as those formerly imported under the Charles Daly name. It's a pure Model 98 Mauser.

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:26 pm

I respectfully have to disagree with my friend J.R. about the Remington being "close" to original as they did change the design for cost reasons.

The Winchesters-well, you can't go wrong with a Model 70!

I just checked Remington's website for their 798 rifles. This is what I got:

"We have carefully reworked every aspect of these rifles to meet the tastes and performance demands of todayâ€™s hunter and shooter. And this year, weâ€™re offering the Model 798â„¢ Safari chambered in the venerable 375 h&h and 458 Win Mag. Built around a long-action Mauser 98, itâ€™s your ticket to dropping the toughest game on earth. Its Realwoodâ„¢ walnut laminate stock combines the enduring stability and toughness of lamination with the classic good looks of highly figured walnut. This striking woodwork accented by a richly blued barrel and receiver.

Yeah, right!

Do your self a favor and Look at the CZ 550 line. A true '98 "magnum" length action with honest to God real walnut and bluing, or laminates if you prefer.

I have one in 375 H&H converted to H&H AI, and it is one of the most accurate guns I own. Just ask Old Savage! The stocks are more robust, and they hold more rounds in the mag then any of their competitors. They come from the factory with a premium recoild pad too!

-Tutt

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:35 pm

The CZ is the best gun for the money. You cant go wrong with the 550 buddy of mine just picked one up in 30-06 it is a beautiful rifle.

engravertom · Post by **engravertom** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:42 pm

+1 on the CZ. Don't own one, but would love to!

Tom

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:09 pm

The Ruger M77 is pure Mauser as well.

I think the two main things that say Mauser more than anything else are

1) controled round feed
2) large claw extractor

Winchester and Remington have neither of these except the 798 which is also pure Mauser.

Basicaly if you want to know if it's Mauser look at the bolt and if you see the large extractor running down the outside of the bolt you're in.

I've had my eye on the CZ Manlicher in .223. I just can't get past that ugly external detachable magazine. It just ruins the whole thing for me.

Rusty <><

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:28 pm

Rusty wrote:The Ruger M77 is pure Mauser as well.

I think the two main things that say Mauser more than anything else are

1) controled round feed
2) large claw extractor

Winchester and Remington have neither of these except the 798 which is also pure Mauser.

Basicaly if you want to know if it's Mauser look at the bolt and if you see the large extractor running down the outside of the bolt you're in.

I've had my eye on the CZ Manlicher in .223. I just can't get past that ugly external detachable magazine. It just ruins the whole thing for me.

Rusty <><

I don't agree regarding the Ruger, unless I am mistaken, and not remembering correctly, the extractor on the Ruger is simular to a mauser in looks, but is not a true mauser extractor, because it is not controlled round feed and will snap over the case head. Also the trigger is totally different. At least the extractor is a strong one, much stronger then the Remington 700, although, I must admit, I have never had much trouble with the tiny 700 extractor, as long as I wasn't dealing with a stuck case that is.

Also, the Winchester is a controlled round feed, regarding the Classic pre-64 version, so it it very much like a mauser.

LIke you, I have trouble getting past the ugly magazines on the CZ's, and their stocks are too boxie and oversized on many of their guns.

oldmax · Post by **oldmax** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:05 am

I own a 'Kodiak' , it is a Mauser action '98' made in USA ( CT ? )
It has a USA made barrel (30-06) and stock ( Maple , with some birds eye )

My opinion, Action is too loose for a good second shot,

My Hunting friends Ruger is a much better rifle..

But, If I want to roll in the mud with the gun, than i'm told the Mauser is better.

nemhed · Post by **nemhed** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:30 am

I recently traded off an H&R Model 300 Ultra Rifle in 30-06. These were sold probably 35 years ago. They were built in the U.S. on a F.N. Mauser action. These were a long action in standard cartridges, they may have gone up to 300 Win. Mag., I'm not sure. Mine was a light weight sporter with the high gloss, roll over cheek piece, and white line spacers. I traded it for a new levergun. If I was set on a new 98, I would check out the CZs.

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:43 am

I agree with Rusty..the M77 Ruger is a spitt'n image of the K98 action, right down to the feed system. Got 'em sitting right next to each other, not much difference.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:54 am

[I've had my eye on the CZ Manlicher in .223. I just can't get past that ugly external detachable magazine. It just ruins the whole thing for me.]

Guess what ? I bought a new .22 Hornet CZ-527 Lux, because it was cheap, and since no one else would buy it in the ten months it sat on a gun shop rack.
Everyone had that same comment, but I bought it before it had a birthday there.

THEN, I had a local (Massachussets) specialist rework the protruding magazine to a flush fit, removing the triangular web in front of the trigger guard in the process. It was the best $60 I'd spent in a long while - and, if I feel the need for more magazine capacity (I don't), the standard mags still fit/work.

http://public.fotki.com/Rbertalotto/ban ... _magazine/

http://www.rvbprecision.com/articles/11 ... 7a0bc7e5cd

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:22 am

The Kimber model 8400 is a nice Mauser design

http://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/
The Dakota model 76 is also a very nice Mauser based action

http://www.dakotaarms.com/cgi-bin/quiks ... olt_Rifles

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:29 am

Don't forget that there are tons of sporters out there made from mauser and springfield actions in many different cals. that can be picked up cheap.

I've had a bunch in many different calibers and not a bummer in the batch. The good ones aren't as cheap as they used to be but with a little searching you can find some good stuff! I had a beautiful 98k that had been rebarreled to .257 Roberts. Was a super shooter and I stupidly traded it off for something I can't even remember.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:10 pm

If you look in a book on Mausers, one of the first things they'll tell you is to always make sure you load the cartridge into the magazine so that the bolt can pick it up and this allows the rim to slip under the extractor. If you don't the bolt will jam the case into the chamber and you'll have a heck of a time getting the case out. A lot of builders saw this as a disadvantage so they modified the extractor so it will slip over the rim if it's not done right.
I don't know what kind of a test you would do to determine if a rifle would be considered controlled feed. Personally I'm not sure it's that big an issue any more. It might have just been something for the gun writers to write about 50 years ago.

Rusty <><

bsaride · Post by **bsaride** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:17 pm

Check out Mitchell's Mausers too:

http://www.mauser.org/rifles/m63%20tanker/index.htm

BenT · Post by **BenT** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:24 pm

Pete, those CZ 223 with Manlicher stocks are the cats meow. I just can't get past the price tag for what I would use it for. But they are just compact and handy.

FALPhil · Post by **FALPhil** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:10 pm

Old Time Hunter wrote:I agree with Rusty..the M77 Ruger is a spitt'n image of the K98 action, right down to the feed system. Got 'em sitting right next to each other, not much difference.

Except that Ruger receivers are cast and real Mausers are forged.