Cast bullets in the 218 Bee, yeah that'll work!

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Cast bullets in the 218 Bee, yeah that'll work!

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I got in on Ranch Dog's group buy of a 50 gr. 22 cal bullet of his normal big meplat design suited specifically for Marlin leverguns. As usual, Michael did his homework and knocked out another winner.


This is another LEE 6 cavity mold. Other LEE 6 cavity molds I've bought have always needed some "Leementing" to get them to perform well. This one needed nothing! I washed it with Dawn dish soap, smoked the cavities, preheated and started making pretty little bullets that fell right out of the cavities perfect.

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With 6 cavities it doesn't take long to produce a pile of bullets. And at 50 gr. each, a pot of lead goes a looooong way.


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I fumbled with the tiny 22 cal gas checks for a while, and finally put my 7 year old daughter to work snapping the gas checks on the bases. Seemed much easier for her with her little fingers. Then I lubed and sized in the typical Lee tumble lube method with their alox.


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I loaded some on the light side, starting with 5 gr. of Unique and going up, trying to duplicate 22 WMRF performance. I also loaded some on the upper end of the scale to duplicate my jacketed bullet load with 14.0 gr. of H4198.

The 5.5 gr. load of Unique shot very well, as did the 14.0 gr. load of H4198. Both of them grouping in less than 1-1/4" at 50 yards


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I must have been half asleep still when I left for the range at 6:00 am, because I totally forgot my chronograph. According to the Lyman book, the 5.5gr. Unique load should be running about 1950 fps, and the H4198 load should be around 2600! Frankly, I was surprised the faster load shot as well as it did. That's the fastest I've ever pushed a cast bullet. These are cast of a Lyman #2 alloy duplicate. I'm going to put together some more of these two loads and try it again with the chrono to verify the accuracy and get actual velocities.

Once again, my hat is off to Ranch Dog! :D
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Very good post. I'm glad you went with a GC bullet. It looks like they are working well. Keep us posted on the chronograph results.
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Cool!

I've been wanting to experiment with .22 cast bullets for my Hornet.

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Thanks for the report Ted, it is the first bit of feedback I've seen. Like I said via email, I was tied up shooting the Ranch Dog's in a semi-auto pistol shoot but hope to get back to my Bee shooting this coming week. On Wednesday evening I had a couple of big hogs in my yard and was tempted to shoot one but I will let them keep coming until the Bee is ready. The only other delay as I have is jury duty on Monday... hopefully not.

I'm glad to hear the #2 worked, was it water quenched? How many coats of wax did you put on them? The 14.1-grains of H4189 is were I'm heading and then I will look at H4227.
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Michael,
The bullets were just air cooled #2. In all honesty, I had just turned on my pot to cast a few and see what kind of work the mold was going to need. It just started dropping perfect bullets from the start, and before I knew it I had a couple hundred of them cast. I planned on using them for 22 magnum type loads and just loaded these 5 rounds with the H4198. I will load some more that have been water quenched or maybe I'll heat treat some in the oven.

I only used a light coat of alox before installing the gas checks and sizing, then one more decent coat after sizing. After firing 20 rounds I checked the muzzle and it had a nice little lube star. The bore looks pretty clean too. That should be all they need. I am interested to see how the full power loads will do with a harder bullet too. I'm betting that group will tighten up some. That group today is about the same as what it'll do at 100 yards with the Hornady 45 gr. HP bullet.
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Great report! I was also in on that group buy and will be trying it in a 22 hornet. Hope i have as good of results as you.
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2ndovc wrote:I've been wanting to experiment with .22 cast bullets for my Hornet.
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Ted,
Nice report :D I have used the Lyman 224446 (whatever the number is) with about the same results as you got. I was pleased.

But that 6 cavity mould you got---THATS the way to do it. :D --------Sixgun
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TedH,
Nice! Neat! Just a suggestion. You might want to also try using your air cooled alloy with your standard 218 bee loads. I have a '43 Winchester in .22 Hornet and I began shooting cast in it around 25 years ago. Interestingly, I found that a 47 gr. gas checked bullet made from w.w. + 2% tin (12 BHN) would shoot very accurately at 2,600 - 2,700 f.p.s. No trace of leading and the 100 yard groups were as good as the rifle would shoot jacketed. :mrgreen:

A 22 bullet has a low sectional density which is the reason the softer alloy works well at the higher velocities.

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That's an interesting concept John. I'll try some with straight wheel weights and see how they do. I'm going to try some heat treated #2 alloy as well.
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