Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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I have always wanted a 22 Hornet in a classic lever. Is it possible to rebarrel one of these rifles for the Hornet? I like the Model 65 styled rifles with the long thin barrel and short magazine as well.

I have looked at the 256 Winchester as an easy change for a 357 Magnum as well. What I want is a long neck for cast bullets.

With the Hornet there seem to be issues with;
bolt face/extractor
cartridge lifter not aligning with chamber
maybe cartridge length
Mag tubes too big

Anyone have any experience rebarrelling these rifles.
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Re: Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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Canuck Bob wrote:I have always wanted a 22 Hornet in a classic lever. Is it possible to rebarrel one of these rifles for the Hornet? I like the Model 65 styled rifles with the long thin barrel and short magazine as well.

I have looked at the 256 Winchester as an easy change for a 357 Magnum as well. What I want is a long neck for cast bullets.

With the Hornet there seem to be issues with;
bolt face/extractor
cartridge lifter not aligning with chamber
maybe cartridge length
Mag tubes too big

Anyone have any experience rebarrelling these rifles.
Me too! I just this week first heard of the .256 Winchester, and was tempted to ask a similar question.
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Re: Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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It's not too hard to find a 1894CL in .218 Bee....much more oomph than the Hornet. With iron sights mine shoots into small holes at fifty yards....it's maybe a 1MOA rifle (maybe).
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Re: Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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Unless you are just dead set on a Hornet, Blaine's right about the Marlin 218 Bee. I was pleased with the accuracy I found in mine after some handloading experiments. It's not a MOA rifle, but it's darn close.
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What about a Savage 99 in 22 High Power?
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The Bee is the one to have. Much better suited which is why it was developed.
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Re: Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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What if a guy wanted to put a Bee in a Rossi 92?

Would a new carrier be required if remodelling a 357 Magnum?
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You'll have bolt face/extractor issues too. The Bee case head is smaller than the 357.
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Re: Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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218 Bee is off of the 32/20 case, so find a 32/20 rifle to start with and all you need to do is re-barrel it. The 256 Win Mag is off the 357 case, so you can start with a 357 rifle.
A 22 Hornet would need a lot of custom work, but really would be no different than the early 357 Magnum conversions. New barrel and magazine tube, modify the bolt face for the smaller cartridge rim; then new cartridge guides and probably a new lifter would all need to be designed and fabricated.
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22 Remington Jet goes right into a Rossi M 92 with no mods but the barrel.
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A Ruger Number 3 single shot in .22 Hornet re-chambered to K-Hornet makes a fine short to meduim varmint cartridge. And, I believe a falling block single shot qualifies as a levergun.
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The .22 Hornet is too long to function through a '92 or Marlin '94 action.
I would also recommend the 218 Bee.

I have a '92 .25-20 that was converted to .357 sometime in its life. I had it relined to .25-20 and it cycles cartridges just fine.....even with the slightly larger bolt face.

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Re: Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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I have a gorgeous Browning Model 65 in .218 Bee. A wonderful rifle. Mine happens to be a high grade but it would seem to me you could find a standard grade at a reasonable price if a .218 is acceptable.

The 65 is the bottom of these three.

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I found a 65 Browning but the guy wants $2000. 218 in the standard grade. He is trying to say it is a collectable and only 3500 were made and this one is sn 3500.

I would buy the rifle in a heart beat if it was properly priced. I just don't think a used replica rifle should be worth that much. The Japanese Winchesters are nice rifles but they aren't original Winchesters for the purpose of collecting. Am I correct?

I want a shooter not a safe queen as well.
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Re: Time wasting, "what if" question, 22 Hornet in R92 or M94?

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Bob,
There is one on Gunbroker, buy it now for $1225.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =177437312

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I'm a Canadian, we can't access the USA for firearms, powder, bullets, scopes, gun parts, etc.

Its a sad story for us gun nuts up here. I can't buy by direct mail or email. It is one of the reasons guns are more expensive here.

It is frustrating to try read reports of great stuff available in Montana, about a 120 miles away yet it might as well be South America. Many suppliers of firearm stuff both large and small do not do business in Canada. It has really developed since 9/11 and the war on terror to keep weapon systems out of foreign hands for Homeland security I think. As angering as it can be if it keeps an Aimpoint or night vision off one weapon in the middle east that might shoot at US, Canadian, or Allied troops it is fine with me.

My advice to my American friends, watch every little attempt to disarm and control you. It is always part of a larger agenda and once initiated never goes away. We in Canada and Great Britian are severly controlled. Only the Police, terrorists, criminals, and armies have free access to restricted weapons like handguns and such. At first handguns were restricted, then handguns with 4" barrels bacame prohibited along with full automatics, then the ability to get a prohibited license was closed only to existing licenses. See the pattern. In 20-30 years noone can own any prohibited weapons including a nice little S&W snubby to protect your home.
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Yep, that one on gunbroker looks pretty sweet.
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Canuck Bob wrote:My advice to my American friends, watch every little attempt to disarm and control you. It is always part of a larger agenda and once initiated never goes away. We in Canada and Great Britian are severly controlled. Only the Police, terrorists, criminals, and armies have free access to restricted weapons like handguns and such. At first handguns were restricted, then handguns with 4" barrels bacame prohibited along with full automatics, then the ability to get a prohibited license was closed only to existing licenses. See the pattern. In 20-30 years noone can own any prohibited weapons including a nice little S&W snubby to protect your home.
Oh, don't worry, we have millions of 'sportsmen' and 'hunters' and 'NRA members' who will staunchly defend our inalienable right to . . .

"own 'sporting' firearms, with 'reasonable' restrictions...! " - :? :(

They're the ones who have enough money for a new Browning with a Leupold scope, but can't seem to pony up $20 for a GOA membership, and enough time to scout out their big buck, but no time to attend a local council meeting. They write and post pictures of their latest hunting adventures, but haven't written a letter to a legislator for thirty years.

In fact, they know the names of the nearest big-city or university ball-players, but they don't know what house district they are in, nor who their 'representative' is.

They will spend an hour or two down at the gun shop, preaching to the choir about the latest anti-gun nonsense, but "haven't the time" to meet with the local business owners or school board or anyone else about gun-related, or freedom-related issues.

Yeah, don't you worry, down here in the U.S. of A., our fellow 'sportsmen' really have it all under control. . . :evil:
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KCSO wrote:22 Remington Jet goes right into a Rossi M 92 with no mods but the barrel.
Tell us MORE, please. . . I could definitely consider such a gun..!
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I would appreciate info on the 22 Jet as well.
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EriCal wrote:I have a gorgeous Browning Model 65 in .218 Bee. A wonderful rifle. Mine happens to be a high grade but it would seem to me you could find a standard grade at a reasonable price if a .218 is acceptable.

The 65 is the bottom of these three.

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Wow, those are some beautiful rifles. I must admit I really find the pistol grip Winchester the best looking. Could you describe the other two rifles please?
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