POLITICS - I have been moved to act

Swampman · Post by **Swampman** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:59 pm

There's no point in trotting out someone who can't win.

Speaking as a conservative, I know a conservative can't win.

tman · Post by **tman** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:09 pm

isn't it sad that theirs not a single candidate that this group of god fearing, country loving, constituitoinal revearing group can come to agreement upon. who's views do these people represent? are they really so controlled by lobbists and big money, that they forgot, that they are PUBLIC SERVANTS. that the good of the country and the WILL of the MAJORITY of its citizen's come first. i always believed my lobbist's were my representatives, senators, and govenor. i'm tired of voting for the lesser evil. i can't get excited about voting for any of them. in the end, i'll hold my breath , vote for whoever my little peabrain thinks, will harm our country and constitiuon the least.

Scott64A · Post by **Scott64A** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:26 pm

I'm also voting for Ron Paul.

I believe in the Constitution as it was written, and I do not want to police the world or "spread Democracy". Call me isolationist if you will, but I don't give a flip about Iraq. In fact, the only reason we had to go in there twice now was a direct result of our meddling on behalf of big business. The only reason we have Al Quaida is because somebody was making money selling arms to Afghanistan and meddling on businesses behalf.

That's a load of stuff, and the Constitution doesn't support a megacorporation's rights to molest other countries in the pursuit of billions in profit. It's been nothing but trouble and spreads discontent which feeds the haters and suicide bombers.

IMHO, Ron Paul is the only candidate that is saying anything of import. It's about our policies. Our policies and motivations here and abroad are bleeding us dry and bankrupting out moral fiber. Our tax code is sucking the life out of us all.

I like Paul and what he stands for. I am sickened by the malaise purported by the talking heads, (and some of the members here subscribe needlessly to this,) that "a third party vote is wasted.".

The Republican party was once "third-party". People got tired enough of the other two and actually changed things.

Get your minds out of the frame and remember what voting is supposed to be about: What You Believe In and What You Want.
Don't trivialize Ron Paul because you believe the hype. You are helping the media to decide the vote.

RESIST!

I can't see anyone with any set of values voting for anyone BUT Ron Paul. If you let abortion or gay marriage get in the way of the FIRST ammendment, (Freedom of Religion,) then you are [EDIT] missing the point of the First ammendment entirely. You can't protect and promote one religon's ideals while squashing a Constitutional Right. It's unconstitutional.

Whatever way you go on abortion, Paul is still there to preserve the Constitution.
He's no puppet. He's no panderer.

He wants to reorganize things here. Everyone clamours for "change", but never votes for it.
Here's your chance.

Vote for Ron Paul.

Scott64A · Post by **Scott64A** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:39 pm

One more thing:

Swampman, are you really that disenfranchised?
Do you believe in the Constitution?
Or would you have a theocracy?

You are not so conservative as you are disgruntled.
Why would anyone base a vote on "Well, I don't want the other party to win."
Part of the problem, my friend.

Or "I'm a conservative! Why would I even entertain the idea of Libertarianism? That's just a bunch of loose talk! They don't love the baby Jesus!"
If you can't see how Libertarians protect the Constitution, hence YOUR FREEDOMS, then yours is a wasted vote anyway.

It's the other form of non-thinking bias. The flip-side of Liberalism for the sake of being a sheep.

I encourage everyone to really think about what each candidate stands for, and I'll ask again: DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Would you have our politicians continue to ingore and "forget" to defend it?
Blech.
Jefferson is spinning in his grave.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:57 pm

I can't see anyone with any set of values voting for anyone BUT Ron Paul. If you let abortion or gay marriage get in the way of the FIRST ammendment, (Freedom of Religion,) then you are a fool. You can't protect and promote one religon's ideals while squashing a Constitutional Right. It's unconstitutional.

In your zeal, you've neglected a few facts.......Abortion and Gay are not religions.....and yes, I do not condone Gay marriage or the murder of millions of babies..... And calling one a fool is not a good idea

Done FTF, could result in a different outcome than you expected

Splitting the vote for a third party RP will hand it over to the Socialists. Millions of "Crats are sending money to RP to encourage him to hand in there and run as a 3rd party......If you write him in.....

Scott64A · Post by **Scott64A** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:20 pm

BlaineG wrote:
I can't see anyone with any set of values voting for anyone BUT Ron Paul. If you let abortion or gay marriage get in the way of the FIRST ammendment, (Freedom of Religion,) then you are a fool. You can't protect and promote one religon's ideals while squashing a Constitutional Right. It's unconstitutional.
In your zeal, you've neglected a few facts.......Abortion and Gay are not religions.....and yes, I do not condone Gay marriage or the murder of millions of babies..... And calling one a fool is not a good idea Done FTF, could result in a different outcome than you expected Splitting the vote for a third party RP will hand it over to the Socialists. Millions of "Crats are sending money to RP to encourage him to hand in there and run as a 3rd party......If you write him in.....

I've edited the aforementioned post because I didn't intend to call names.

Yes BlaineG, I'm well aware that gay marriage and abortion are not religions.

They are both religiously debated by conservatives in direct relation to which candidate to vote for though. Hence, If my Holy Book says it's a sin, it should be outlawed. That's not what this country was founded on, and not protected by the constitution.

And once again you haven't argued your case here, on the contrary, you have only reiterated a chicken tactic of not voting on your principle, and instead throwing your vote away on odds or likelihood of success.

It's not a game.
It's your chance to show how you feel about things during an election.
It is immaterial to me if someone is with This party or That one, I base my vote on my judgement of who that cabdidate is and what they stand for. What policies will they push? Who's pocket are they in?

I won't convince you to vote for anyone in particular, but I am dissapointed int the mentality that "if candidate C isn't likely to win it all, then why bother giving him the vote?"

That is a cop-out, and it's part of the problem.
You have not disproven my point.

Swampman · Post by **Swampman** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:30 pm

"Why would anyone base a vote on "Well, I don't want the other party to win."

Because I don't want the other party to win. I'd has soon have satan himself as a democrat. I just can't see wasting my vote on Ron Paul.

Slick · Post by **Slick** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:37 pm

I didn't start out as a Ron Paul supporter either. After reading on his stands on the issues, I've started to believe he's got some real good points. He's a straight talker, practices what he preaches and doesn't waffle or flip-flop. He's lived a moral and decent life and doesn't have the skeletons in the closet like other candidates.

I'll be voting for Paul in the primary and again for president (even if I have to write him in). The only other candidate I'd have considered voting for is Thompson - and now he's out. I like Romney almost as much as I "like" Hitlery...

Swampman · Post by **Swampman** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:48 pm

I'd say it's pretty safe to say that if Ron runs for President it will have to be 3rd party. I hope he doesn't do that. If he does, he will ensure that Hillary or Obama wins.

Say good by to gun owners rights.

bunklocoempire · Post by **bunklocoempire** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:49 pm

Swampman wrote:

I'd say it's pretty safe to say that if Ron runs for President it will have to be 3rd party.

Ron Paul is running for President (you wouldn't know it from Fox and the other "news"), and he's running Republican. Ron Paul has run as a Libertarian, 20 years ago. When one runs as third party it is hard to even get on the ballot.

And you may find this hard to believe but a huge thing with the Ron Paul grass roots is registering people Republican. So you have Ron Paul, and Ron Paul only, to thank for an increased GOP base. Now does it make any sense to say he'll ditch the registered Republicans and embrace the third party? Ron has pulled a lot of independent voters, and yes even Democrats to his cause (your welcome). Since there aint too many good choices out there (Republicans) why not vote Ron in the primary and vote the Republican that gets in the nomination? What do ya got to lose? I do appreciate the "can't do" posts, gives us Paultriots a chance to speak up.

Thanks, Bunkloco

Swampman · Post by **Swampman** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:00 pm

I think I'll vote for McCain on Tuesday.

45-70marlin · Post by **45-70marlin** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:18 pm

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary and will write him in if I have to in November.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:19 pm

I'd say it's pretty safe to say that if Ron runs for President it will have to be 3rd party. I hope he doesn't do that. If he does, he will ensure that Hillary or Obama wins.

Much as I hate to say it I think its the current crop of Republicans in office that are ensureing a democratic victory.
IMHO the only way we can hope for a Republican victory is to make a statement. Getting RP the nomination would go further in that regard than dumping another follow the leader politician into the running.

Theres alot of people very unsatisfied with the current GOP policies & it would seem wise for a change of tact, fortunately we have someone who thinks out of the box to vote for, if we could only think out of the box ourselves.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:44 pm

Leverdude wrote:
I'd say it's pretty safe to say that if Ron runs for President it will have to be 3rd party. I hope he doesn't do that. If he does, he will ensure that Hillary or Obama wins.
Much as I hate to say it I think its the current crop of Republicans in office that are ensureing a democratic victory.
IMHO the only way we can hope for a Republican victory is to make a statement. Getting RP the nomination would go further in that regard than dumping another follow the leader politician into the running.

Theres alot of people very unsatisfied with the current GOP policies & it would seem wise for a change of tact, fortunately we have someone who thinks out of the box to vote for, if we could only think out of the box ourselves.

Think! The White House isn't the prize, here. First prize is appointing at least two to SCOTUS and second is getting Congress. If you hand the election to Billery or Obama, you will not be pleased with the enduring results of your little "fit" to show the Republicians their place