Cimmaron Low Wall Rimfire - Range report on p 2

[bdhold]

sorry guys, I could use a cloudy day, but wanted you to see (as much as you can of) this beautiful rifle I picked up today (OK, and installed the sights - had them ready to go)






tried the Hadley on here and absolutely hate it (OK, I love it on my 1873), and I like this disc and aperture very much






I'm going to play artillery with some of those 60 gr. Aguilas (and some faster stuff)
The sights are the Uberti issue, $160 for the set - not a bad deal.

I don't like the buckhorns there, even with the ramp removed.
I knocked them out and Uberti had left two ugly peens in barrel blue.
I was thinking about a level, but the peens will show, so I think a Marble's folding sight instead.
It doesn't make sense for them to have peened it when they installed the sight, since the sight had a set screw.
I'm going to talk to MVA to see if their spirit level clip will fit my front sight.

Funny, I live 80 miles from Fredericksburg, and wanted to drive over and pick this rifle up. But the shop associated with Cimmaron will only sell for MSRP, even after hearing my story.
So this rifle is well-traveled. It went from so.-central Texas to Buffalo Arms and back to so.central Texas, saving me $300.

I also sliced the fool out my thumb on the dovetail without knowing it. Don't worry, I cleaned up the blood with M-Pro-7 before I installed the new sight base.

[JReed]

Oh Me Likes. That is a sweet looking gun. When are you gonna get us a range report.

[bdhold]

this weekend may be tough, the white bass are just ramping up their spawning run and it kind of makes me jumpy - but I may get there Saturday, anyway...

white bass - I gave a power point presentation to the local FFF chapter last month on fishing for these - when, where and how - it was very well received (and earning me a bit of toy money)
this isn't as bad as it looks - they were made for meat fishing - they are fecund, the fish only live 3 years and the females lay 200,000 eggs. I only keep the 2-year-old males - these are all 14"

my dad and I grew up fishing for these.

[Chuck 100 yd]

Sweet rifle ya got there!!

About fifty years ago, my dad caught 51 of those silver bass on 51 casts fishing in the spillways of the Gutenberg dam on the Mississippi river.

[bdhold]

I understand, it's all about timing (and certainly technique) - I did 50 one day on consecutive casts with a fly rod and quit there.
I time my fishing by the redbuds, bluebonnets, and rain.
Our runs are really concentrated here - as short as 3 weeks in dry years, and no longer than 8 or 10 weeks in the wettest years. My best season on the clock was 170 fish in 11 hours (several choice days).
Been doing this a long time.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack my own thread.

(in my life I've caught five 4-year-old males - they're kind of rare, all 19-20" and right at 5 lbs)

[Kansas Ed]

Nice rifle. Mine needed a little action and trigger work, and it could still use a little fine tune, but the Hornet shoots great in mine. One of my all time favorite walking rifles. Have fun with it. The Aguila Hi vel LR's are tops IMO, but in my other rifles the Federals shoot almost as well. I'd also try running some shorts in there...they should be nice and quiet in that rifle.

Ed

[bdhold]

I picked up some of the Aguila 40-gr target rifle loads as well the 60-gr SSS.
Have you tried any of the biathlon rounds, such as Fiocci Exacta or Lapua Polar?
I was wondering if maybe the long barrel might take advantage of these.

Being a metallurgist and corrosion engineer, I hate copper deposits and ammonia cleaners (for copper) in steel barrels as much as most of you guys hate lead. Residual copper is such a strong cathode, it promotes pitting in carbon steel, and ammonia has the potential to stress crack hard steel.

[pokey]

WOW.[rifle and fish]

[Don McDowell]

If your rifle likes those Aquila match loads as good as my Winchester does you're going to be pleasantly happy.
Federal champions in the bulk box also shoot very well to 200 yds and beyond.

[Rusty]

That sure is a pretty rifle. You might try some Wolf Match in it and see what it does. that produces the smallest groups in my 10/22.

[RIHMFIRE]

That is Sweet!

[bdhold]

success with MVA
they connected me right away with a gentleman to review a part drawing, and it looks like the spirit level clip from their #116 sight will also fit my Uberti globe. Also ordered their Stevens/Winchester sight insert card, which has some very nice options.
Nice folks.

[awp101]

That is Sweet!

A big +1!

[Cimarron Red]

Howdy, Bulldog,

Sure is a beautiful rifle! I've been thinking about a Uberti low wall in .32-20 for a while now. One of the things holding me back is that the gun appears to have quite a bit of drop at comb and heel. Do you have any trouble maintaining a firm cheek weld at higher sight setting? I don't mean 400 or 500 yards, but say to 250 or 300. Thanks!

[Old No7]

Wow, Bulldog -- that sure is a NICE one!!!

If I had a "Bucket List" for guns, something like that sure would be on it!

Here's a pix of how I reshaped the old rear sight of my Marlin 38-55 Cowboy -- rather than just fitting a slot blank into it -- after I added a tang sight. To me, this was lower cost AND I think it looks much better:

336CB Rr Sight blank.jpg

I'll take the credit for the filing and pix, but not for the idea, as I saw this done over on the Marlin Forum a couple of years back. (You can even have your initials or the caliber engraved inside that "shield" shape.)

Tight groups!

Old No7

[bdhold]

thanks guys.
Red, you might like it better with the pistol grip, but I like the straight stock - guess I'm used to it, but especially like it in the small caliber.
What you're describing, though is probably why I didn't like putting my 1+" variable aperture cup on the tang sight - I couldn't get a quick sight image at any height - the light had to be just right for me to find the aperture hole. But I went through the range of height on the single aperture cup that came on the sight - just offhand sighting up object across the back yard (it's an acre) and I was able to get a quick and firm sight image and a solid cheek. It might have something to do with my long arms, long neck, and the way my dad taught me to shoot - he's the best offhand shot I've ever seen. Elbows at 90-degrees, one straight down and the other straight out.

[Cimarron Red]

Thanks, Bulldog,

I'll have to get one of those guns in my hands, and I agree that I'd likely prefer the pg stock.

[bdhold]

a positive gunsmithing tale to go with this.
I took the rifle by Nagle's gun shop in San Antonio to have a Marble's folding sight put in place of the rear buckhorns.
Larry fitted and installed it for me at no charge. So I bought a bunch of cleaning supplies, and they'll sure get my future business.


p.s. - which hollow point do you guys like best?
Midway has a very good price on the Fiocci 38-gr.
How about the CCI SGB ?

[2ndovc]

What a Beauty!

I always thought the Low Walls were the prettiest rifles ever.


jb

[kimwcook]

I like both high and low walls. Nice rifle.

[FF1063]

Very nice, great looking wood. Love the low wall. Thinking of one in 32 WCF.

[bdhold]

thanks again, guys, I'm certainly enamored with it.
Before I showed it to my buddy who recently got a great deal on a used .45-90 high wall, I told he had better bring a tissue because it was pretty enough to make him cry.

Here's a pix of how I reshaped the old rear sight of my Marlin 38-55 Cowboy -- rather than just fitting a slot blank into it -- after I added a tang sight. To me, this was lower cost AND I think it looks much better:

336CB Rr Sight blank.jpg

I'll take the credit for the filing and pix, but not for the idea, as I saw this done over on the Marlin Forum a couple of years back. (You can even have your initials or the caliber engraved inside that "shield" shape.)
Tight groups!
Old No7

I'm happy with the outcome, the Marble's folder with it's diamond sight mark looks very nice on it, and I'm sure when my dad shoots it, he would rather shoot the rear iron than the peep.
The adjustment on it lets it stand pretty high, as well, so I believe it work with the globe. I'm going to put on my readers and try sighting it in at 25 yds.
Nice job on the blank, btw, and yes, it would have worked for covering up the peens.

[Old No7]

"How about the CCI SGB?"

Bulldog, you asked about hollowpoints on that prior post, but the SGB (Small Game Bullet) has a blunt/flat point.

It IS an excellent bullet profile for use on game; have seen many pictures, reports and actual in-the-field kills of the flat/blunt bullet versus a round nose, and the difference on game is real. You may find them expensive for plinking, but they're great on game.

'Course that would mean taking that pretty rifle out in the woods and risking a scratch or two. (Just don't drop her...)

Tight groups,

Old No7

[bdhold]

thanks for the info., bro. Thinking about a brick and sighting them in to have them around for real ammo.
I'm going to get serious with my vernier and keep notes on different bullets and ranges. I also want to try a good lead bullet that is a little faster than the subsonic rounds I'll mostly be shooting.
I already used a micrometer to set the folding Marble's rear sight at the same height as the front globe as starting point for 25 yds, and at the same time set the vernier to the same height and recorded it as my 25-yd. starting point.
As slowly as this rifle loads, I won't go through a brick nearly as fast as I would in my semi-auto.

You should see me fall with some of my fly rods - I've been hurt, but never the rods or reels

the rod was made in 1932 by Fred Thomas, and the reel in 1939 by JW Young (sons).
I took this photo when we were shooting a tv show, TU On the Rise, I was hosting Frank Smethurst in my local tailwater (Guadalupe R.)
that's me on the left, Frank in the middle, and my trout-wizard buddy Jimbo (who also fished with us) on the right

if you get the chance to catch a re-run on Outdoor Channel, our tailwater was glorious those several days.
I also brought my silver belly and let Frank choose the hat for me - he picked my mushroom fedora.

[Ysabel Kid]

Man, that is simply stunning!!! Big time congrats - with a truckload of envy!!!

[bdhold]

OK, here is my first shooting. I shot 150 rounds, 100 Aguila 40-gr match rifle, and 50 Aguila 60-gr.
and I swabbed about every 50 rounds. (even so, these rounds shot a lot cleaner than they're reported to)

25 yds, including my a half-notch windage adjustment and 3-1/2 notches elevation adjustment
(in the right lower corner are strays from the upper diamond in the lower target which was 50 yd - they were stapled over each other on the backboard)

4U is the very first shot from my rifle (without bore sighting).
best 25-yd group (40 gr) with 3 connected shots..................60-gr group @ 25 yds

I was shooting above with a 0.050 aperture
I switched to the Hadley cup so I get a 0.032 aperture for the 50-yd range.
it wasn't so easy on the 50-yard, I'm sure part of it was my sight image, and I compounded it by adjusting the windage the wrong way, but I also blame part of it on the stiff trigger which I believe pulled me to the right. I was also surprised I got a rise at 50 yds, which may have also been my sight image.

best 50-yd group (40 gr)..................................................60-gr group @ 50 yds

but all in all, very happy for my first time with this rifle, and it was a hoot, especially since I've never even tried shooting a .22 at this distance without a scope before.

[JReed]

Looking good. It should tighten up nice once you two spend some more time together.

[Don McDowell]

You might want to gather up some info on Dave Crossno's tornado alley shoot , comes along in May . They spend a weekend shooting mostly 22 sillouette, with the old style single shot rifles.


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Oklahoma City Gun Club presents the 6th Annual "Tornado Alley Shoot Off" .22 BPCR Silhouette Match � the official unofficial .22 BPCR NATIONALS - Sat & Sunday, May 15 & 16. 40 shots each day @ 50,100,150, and 200 meters on fall-down targets. NRA BPCR Iron Sight and Scope Classifications. Daily awards in all classes plus aggregate winners. Camping, running water, sanitary facilities, motels nearby. Lunch served daily and burger feast Sat. nite.
Side match to keep shooters busy during "off" relays, plus "Red Headed Turkey Match".
No casting, no loading, �just fun.

*Range will be open for sighting-in / practice on Friday.
Contact: Dave Crossno 405-396-8786 or dibbleguns@juno.com.
*Entries accepted starting April 1st.

[bdhold]

On the long shots, I was looking at the (front) windage vernier upside down and backwards when I was adjusting, so I was mirroring my direction and I shouldn't have been. Once I figured that out, I got it straight - better late than never.
The sight image was also tough at distance - the post just doesn't work - as thin as that one is, it's just way too large compared to the diamonds at distance. I have a spirit level clip in the mail from MVA, along with their reticule inserts. Especially with the spirit, they have one with an thin X and a tiny circle in the center, which I think may be the best for long distance. But I plan to swap a few out, clean up the 50-yd groups, and push on out.
I love the rifle, and had a blast shooting it for 3 hours.

Also as far as the groups go, every shot is brand new since I have to drop the block to reload. That makes a consistent sight image more important than anything. Not giving too much to this, but people were combat shooting big bore guns all around me - I had to wait half a cigar to get a range at all.

I shot a lot better when I shot my 1873 a few weeks ago. Even though the post on the front Beech sight is coarser than this, I wasn't having the problems with the distant sight image even out to 100 yds.

Don, thanks for the invite. I have a work buddy who is active in the local cowboy shooters, and they have silhouette shooting, plus Fredericksburg is 80 miles away, and there are some serious silhouette shooters there. My life's still a bit hectic, like to fish when I can, my girlfriend lives 150 miles away, have to entertain my daughter. But it's sure nice to get away and shoot for an afternoon.
thanks again, guys.