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OT - 22 Shotshells

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So the wife and kids were working in the back yard this weekend until it began to rain. Lots of rocky crevices in our yard even though I live in Florida. As it turns out, my wife discovered people in other states that have lots of rocks and are more than willing to send their rocks to Florida for a price. But that's another story altogether. :shock: After the rain, the sun came out and the wife went for a stroll in her garden. She came in and told me about a most fantastically colorful snake down at the base of some steps. It wasn't the least bit disturbed by her presence.

Growing up in Florida, I used to hunt for snakes along the Little Wekiva river when I was a kid. My friends and I would walk down the middle of the chilly calf deep river and look for snakes along the banks and in the roots of foliage growing along the banks. We carried old broom sticks that we screwed an eyelet into the end and used wire to make our own snake nooses. We'd catch Brown Water snakes, Banded Water snakes, Green Tree snakes, Indigos, Black Racers, Rat snakes, Scarlet snakes, King snakes, Hognose snakes, Ringnecks, Water Moccasins, and Coral snakes. Oddly, we never ran into any of the various rattle snakes ... I assume they're just not huge fans of the water. We'd see them in the woods but just not around the water.

This was, of course, back when I was young enough to be fearless. Something I seem to have lost with age. One can learn a lot about snakes when hunting them. The Water Moccasin is an unusually irritable snake and it's much faster in the water than you'd like it to be ... trust me on that one. If you see a Coral snake sunning itself on the river bank, you can usually grab him by the tail and toss him in the cold river water. As you followed him down, the water would sap him of his body heat and after a bit you could just pick him up by the tail and put him in the bag.

Generally most snakes flee when they detect a human inside their comfort zone. Often enough, this is before you even see them. If the snake is indifferent, there's a chance it knows something that you don't. Here's a picture of Mr. Indifference ...

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Yeah, that's a Coral snake honey. I know he's really pretty, but he's got to go.

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A closeup of Mr. Coral Snake's head ... rounded, black tipped, followed by a yellow band. If you're from down South, you may recall the saying "red to yellow, kill a fellow". I'm pretty close to this guy and he's not really all that impressed by me. It was in the high 70's at the time.

I put a few of the CCI 22 Magnum Shotshells in my Smith and Wesson 648 revolver. Mr. Coral snake was initially perforated from about 6' away. Now he's impressed. :wink:

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He started to bleed from his various perforations just before he got the second round.

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That was all the 22 Magnum Shotshell he could stand. Here's Mr. Coral snake on a stick. He was only about 24" but that's about the size of an adult. Now that I have young kids, this is the proper state of a Coral snake in my yard.

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In my years in south Florida I never ran into a coral snake. I did have several shootouts with rattlers and cotton mouths.That is a big one.
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Like you, I caught a lot of snakes as a kid. Later on I had a few pythons (couple Burmese & a Reticulated) as well as several smaller types. I never messed with the poisonous ones though. No coral snakes in my area, so I have no experience with them, but from what I've read, they're not particularly aggressive. I can understand not wanting it close to the house, particularly with kids, but it seems a shame you couldn't have relocated it. (Yeah, I know I'm strange, but I've kinda got a soft spot for snakes. I like to watch them "flow" through the grass, like some people like to watch tropical fish.)
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Hey there Rimfire -- I'm a huge fan of those .22 Mag shot shells. They work well out of a Single Six on rattlesnakes too. Best regards. Wind
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I've used 22 shot on swallows in the buildings out here but nothing else and I haven't been impressed. I figure at "snake needs killin" ranges a solid piece of lead isn't a hard shot. But then again, we don't have any nasties around here, just bull and garter snakes. I actually import them to help control pests.

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LK, I'm sorry if you've said before, but where's "here"?
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gak wrote:LK, I'm sorry if you've said before, but where's "here"?
I thought I had it so it showed up on my posts, sorry about that. I'll see if I can fix that. For the record, Iowa.

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R-Mc: Red and Yellow kill a fellow: BUT I GUESS YOU SHOWED HIM :lol: :twisted:
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I thought Coral snakes were generally smaller than that. Did you skin it for a hat band? Plenty of people with rattler hat bands, a coral snake band would be quite the conversation piece.
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kimwcook wrote:I thought Coral snakes were generally smaller than that. Did you skin it for a hat band? Plenty of people with rattler hat bands, a coral snake band would be quite the conversation piece.
Oh, I got to get me one of those!

Skin it, up for auction! :shock:
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I've only seen one Coral in Arizona in 40+ years, a brightly colored one in a desert wash outside Phoenix. It was more afraid of me and I let it scoot down its wash-side hole unmolested. Encounters are rare-- reclusive little buggers and, 'cause of the small mouths and generally timid nature, not nearly the concern here as the rattlers. Still, said to be very potent (cobra-related) venom--uniquely so in North America--you wouldn't want to mess with. I gather, the only other one so (neuro-toxin) equipped in North America is our very own Mohave Rattlesnake (and some California Pacific/coastal cousin?)--with a unique blend of neuro and hemo toxins, making it effectively the most dangerous snake in NA. Beware! Back to the Coral, generally absent and shy though ours may be, I would not want one running around my yard, especially with kids or pets. I think--but someone else can verify--ours are a bit smaller than your example. I've got only the one sample to go by other than in zoos (also small).
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I actually found a snake I didn't mind too much ....once but the fellow had already seen the inside of the nocona boot factory by the time I saw him. Fit right nice too. Tom
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Coral lack fangs? I thought that while highly toxic it was almost impossible for one to kill a person because it basically has to hold on to its prey and "chew" the poison in.

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from wikopedia:

Like all elapid snakes, coral snakes use a pair of small fangs fixed in the front of their top jaw to deliver their venom. They feed on smaller snakes, lizards, frogs, and nestling birds and rodents etc. The venom takes time to fully take effect.[1]

Coral snakes have a tendency to hold on to a victim when biting, unlike vipers which have retractable fangs and tend to prefer to strike and let go immediately. Coral snakes are not aggressive or prone to biting however, and account for less than one percent of the number of snake bites each year in the United States. Most coral snake bites occur because of accidental handling of the snake while engaged in an activity like gardening.
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L_Kilkenny wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Coral lack fangs? I thought that while highly toxic it was almost impossible for one to kill a person because it basically has to hold on to its prey and "chew" the poison in.

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I think they usually don't kill people anymore because hospitals are properly stocked with antivenin. Having hunted snakes as a kid, I can tell you that when one (like a Brown Water snake) latches onto a part of the webbing of your hand, it is simply impossible to get it off with anything short of a large screwdriver. Most have those sharp angled teeth that allows prey to go one way (down the gullet) but not the other.

I hadn't thought of the hat band idea. I will preserve the next one I find in my yard and send it to someone who'd like to use it as such. I've never actually skinned a snake though. When I was a kid I would simply let them go after showing them to my dad. For some reason, my mother was none too impressed with my "hobby".
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I'm real happy we don't have any poisonous snakes up here. I don't have a phobia of snakes or anything, but I'm glad I can poke around the yard without really having to worry about what's lurking in various hidey holes. The worst thing I'm likely to encounter are yellow jacket nests.

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Snakes? Minimum should be 12ga. w/3" magnums with the tube full. I hate snakes.
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"Red meets yellow, he's a deadly fellow..."

In fact, one of the MOST deadly snakes in North America. Glad you took the bugger out!
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I was born and raised in Florida (Daytona) also and had my share of snake encounters primarily
because I spent vast amounts of time in the woods. Snakes are pretty helpless when you get right
down to it and are very easily nullified. The Cottonmouth is an exception to this and seems to be
forever on the fight. All my Cottonmouth encounters were in or next to water. Interestingly enough
all the movie depictions of swimming rattlesnakes show only their heads out of water while in all
my encounters the rattlers have been floating on top of the water like a piece of styrofoam.
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gak wrote:LK, I'm sorry if you've said before, but where's "here"?
YEAH!!! I want to move there too!!
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L_Kilkenny wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Coral lack fangs? I thought that while highly toxic it was almost impossible for one to kill a person because it basically has to hold on to its prey and "chew" the poison in.

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Yes and no.

Coral Snakes lack fangs but they are certainly deadly.

The last person i know of to die Coral Snake bite, in Alabama, occurred in my home county.

The man was fishing and leaned back on a river bank drowsing. He felt the bite on the inside of his upper arm, but put it down to the fierce mosquitoes of the area. only after the second or third chomp did he realize what was happening. AIRC, he died shortly after he made it to the Emergency Room.
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Doc Hudson wrote:
gak wrote:LK, I'm sorry if you've said before, but where's "here"?
YEAH!!! I want to move there too!!
No, no you don't. My lord any where but Iowa. Well, maybe not "any where" but dang close!

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I used to hunt snakes when I was a kid. I used a .22 rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun. I don't like snakes. i don't even like snake skins!

Good job putting paid to that Coral Snake. I know some folks have killed big rattlers with .22 Shotshells, but I'd not trust them on anything bigger than your snake. I'm a real believer in shotshells for .38/.357 and .44 caliber handguns. i put lots more trust in to half an ounce or more of #8 shot than I do in 1/10 ounce of #12 shot.
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No problem to skin 'em out Rimfire. Just punch a little hole with a pair of siccors and run them straight down towards his vent. It's like unzipping a zipper. Then run your finger between the skin and the meat and pull it apart all the way down. A 24" one would have made a nice hatband. Too bad you missed out on that one. How about a pair of those skins used as backing for a bow? Might be nice.
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Bullard4075 wrote:I was born and raised in Florida (Daytona) also and had my share of snake encounters primarily
because I spent vast amounts of time in the woods. Snakes are pretty helpless when you get right
down to it and are very easily nullified. The Cottonmouth is an exception to this and seems to be
forever on the fight. All my Cottonmouth encounters were in or next to water. Interestingly enough
all the movie depictions of swimming rattlesnakes show only their heads out of water while in all
my encounters the rattlers have been floating on top of the water like a piece of styrofoam.
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One of those great PBS shows described the rattlers (southern diamondbacks I think) that had taken up residence on some of the barrier islands off the Georgia coast after having been flushed out to sea by floodwaters in their regular/historical habitat. Turns out they like their new digs a lot in the dunes of these islands. One of the disconcerting bits showed how adept swimmers they were--another good myth busted. I don't recall their specifi head-to-body position but it was primarily swimming/gliding merrily along on the surface. My next thought: "there goes yet another fine beach!". I believe this same program showed a kingsnake back in the aforementioned Georgia mainland habitat hunting down a rattler and handily dispensing with him. I may be mixing shows, but the king may have actually stuck around to eat Mr. Rattler...or he may have just gone on his merry way. This was all done with dramatic editing (and music) with some narration like "...rattlesnake coils sensing danger...Kingsnake senses 'dinner'" :-) Sounds like someone needs to take some kingsnakes out to those islands to clean them up!
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