OT - Trapdoor hypothetical

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OT - Trapdoor hypothetical

Post by awp101 »

Disclaimer:
I don't have one, I don't have a line on one... :wink:

OK, let's say you run across a fairly priced Trapdoor in original condition BUT the bore is TOTALLY gone. As in a sewer pipe smoothbore.

Would you buy it as a wall hanger and keep it as is or replace the barrel and make it a shooter? If you replaced the barrel, would you go original length or make it a carbine? Would you modernize it in regards to twist rate for newer bullets? (I don't know if that's even an option, just throwing it out there for discussion)

Discuss.... :lol:
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Post by Ben_Rumson »

If I wanted a shooter, I'd buy one ready to go that has a decent bore...Plenty of 'em around...
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Post by sureshot »

I think I would like to make one like this:

http://www.antiqueguns.com/auction/item ... jmillet-61
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Post by JB »

You could get a shooter trapdoor far cheaper than you could buy a junker and have it rebarreled. That way you'd have some collector value to it as well.
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Post by Ben_Rumson »

Here's neat looking one too
http://www.trapdoorcollector.com/
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Post by Dakota Mike »

Look here they only deal in Trapdoors. Very nice people.

http://www.trapdoors.com/
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Post by Pete44ru »

I suppose the barrel could be bored out for a .45 cal liner(sleeved/lined). Then it would be new on the inside while it was old on the outside - unlike me, old in/old out.
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Post by Ram Hammer »

I've had a trapdoor for years and shot it quite a bit with both black powder and smokeless loads. I have not modified it since it is original and want to keep it that way but......

I've often wanted to see just how well I could get it to shoot (using original barrel configuration and stock. Therefore I would probably use your sewer pipe gun for this kind of project and outfit the rifle with a new barrel, veneer tang and globe front sight as well as do some trigger work to bring it under 5 pounds.
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Post by shawn_c992001 »

I'm like all the other guys, if I wanted a shooter I'd buy a shooter, if I wanted a wall hanger I'd buy a wall hanger.

I seriously screwed up a few years ago and let my Trapdoor go. It was a 50-70 with a barrel that was in the white. It also had a trigger better than a varmint rifle. It also shot beautifully with slight pitting in the bore.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

So to make ammends, I bought a Martini-Henry, Remington rolling block, and EMF 1874 Sharps. :D :shock: :D
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Post by budliteguy »

If you look around you can find a good shooter for a fairly good price. I just sold one too buy one. So if you look around you can find them, not alot of people like fooling with trapdoors. I reload my own shells and use light loads mostly just for target practice. I always use blackpowder, I have thought about trying the trailboss powder, has anyone used it?
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Post by Old Time Hunter »

If you can get a Trapdoor that is over 50% on the exterior, but has a shot out barrel, I would get it sleeved. Bob Hoyt in Fairfield, Pa does an outstanding job straightening and sleeving with a chrom moly correct twist sleeve that you can not tell from the original. For $200 to $300 you will have a straight shooting, original Trapdoor that can handle substantially more (notice quantity, not power because you still have the Trapdoor action) shots through it, and will even handle jacketed bullets (if you request a .458 barrel instead of traditional .459 barrel). Regarding whether or not to make it Carbine length or retain the original rifle length, that would be personal preference. Since it is already being mutated by sleeving, it probably would not change the value. Besides, value is the least of your consideration, functionality is the key to enjoying...unless you like safe-queens and wall-hangers.
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The top one in the top picture was a mutated, home made carbine that was thrown away because the dude did not research. He cut a pristine stock with all the cartouche's way too short, and cut the barrel at 19" which is 3" shorter than what a carbine is supposed to be, along with dovetailing for a front sight. I picked it out of the garbage and polished out all the rust on the receiver and barrel (had excellent rifling and bore), crowned the barrel, stuck a .673 Marble front sight in it and took 'er to the range. Turns out this is an excellent shooter. The second from the bottom is an original carbine, it had a shot out barrel. Used it for a year as a .410 and actually shot a nice Turkey with it. I have since had it sleeved by Bobby Hoyt, it is an absolutely dead nuts accurate shooter now. The rest are still original, including the rifle, which shoots just fine. Just remember the originals have very, very soft steel barrels and will be shot out quickly since by the time we get 'em they have generally had a ton of lead through 'em. The bottom Cadet model in the first picture probably has a best original bore since it was plugged with lead in 1903 when sold to the Southwest Texas Military Institute after being made to Cadet specs by the Alabama Armory after the Spanish-American War where it was first issued by the Springfield Armory, yet it never left the Alabama Armory since it was issued to a "colored" regiment and they were not allowed to have the guns until shipped out of the country. They never were.
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Post by budliteguy »

Hunter Thats a very good looking collection.
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Post by Old Time Hunter »

Thanks budliteguy! Got a couple more in various states of rebuilding too. Found one that was issued in WWII as a line gun in the Coast Guard.
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