a little John Moses Browning love please

[Grizz]

please stand by, we're having technical difficulties........

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ah, that's better.

Grizz

[J Miller]

Grizz,

I'm a fan of John Moses Browning. No question about it. Just think for a moment of the guns he designed. The man was a total genius. I think he'd put Einstein to shame by what he created.

I tried to list all the guns he created that I know of and couldn't do him justice.

If he was alive today and trying to design guns the BATFE and Homeland Security would have him locked up in a sealed cell.

Long Live J.M.B. and his guns.

Joe

[Grizz]

Thanks Joe

I tried to get them in chronological order. I'm not sure if he designed the .22; did he?

Grizz

[jeepnik]

A "fan" of Mr. Browning. Heck I'm here because of Mr. Browning. I'm not a "fan", a true believer in the man.

[Terry Murbach]

Thanks Joe

I tried to get them in chronological order. I'm not sure if he designed the .22; did he?

Grizz

YES. A 22 AUTOMATIC FOR FN/BROWNING AND A VERY SLENDER 22 LEVERGUN FOR W-W THAT THEY NEVER PRODUCED. OH, AND THE 22 WOODSMAN FOR COLT.

[azzhandler]

dont forget the 22 pump action trombone,

[rjohns94]

he was the man!!!!

[O.S.O.K.]

A list of firearms that JMB designed (I don't know if this is complete...):

M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun
FN Browning M1899/M1900
Colt Model 1900
Colt Model 1902
Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammer (.38 ACP)
Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless (.32 ACP)
Colt Model 1905
Remington Model 8 (1906), a long recoil semi-automatic rifle
Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket (.25 ACP)
Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless (.380 ACP)
FN Model 1910
U.S. Model 1911 pistol
Colt Woodsman pistol
Winchester Model 1885 falling block single shot rifle
Winchester Model 1886 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1887 lever-action repeating shotgun
Winchester Model 1890 slide-action repeating rifle (.22)
Winchester Model 1892 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1894 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1895 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1897 pump-action repeating shotgun
Browning Auto-5 long recoil semi-automatic shotgun
U.S. Model 1917 water-cooled machine gun
Model 1919 air-cooled machine gun
Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) of 1917
Browning M2 .50-caliber heavy machine gun of 1921
Remington Model 8 semi-auto rifle
Remington Model 24 semi-auto rifle (.22) Also produced by Browning Firearms (as the SA-22) and several others
The Browning Hi-Power, the last pistol that John Browning developed
The Browning Superposed over/under shotgun was designed by John Browning in 1922 and entered production in 1931

And cartriges he designed:

.25 ACP
.32 ACP
.38 ACP
9mm Browning Long
.380 ACP
.45 ACP
.50 BMG

Found this on Wikipedia....

He was a busy guy.... RIP Mr. Brown.

[iceman]

If memory serves he also invented the winchester model 67 22 single shot or the model previous to it. I remember reading it lately in Rifle magazine. I will try and find the issue.

[Rusty]

Thanks Terry, I have a Colt Huntsman. I never realized he designed it.

[Ysabel Kid]

he was the man!!!!

+1

[piller]

And, the Browning M2 is the ONLY firearm the U.S. Army has ever used that has had 1, and only 1 change to its original design in over 80 continuous years of use. The change: a hole drilled in the side of the casing and a small square projection welded onto the action so that when you pull the charging handle back to the right distance to check it with the go/no go gauge to see if barrel headspace is set correctly, you see the square projection in the round window. If the square is in the center of the window, and the go side of the gauge fits, then you are ready to send rounds toward the target. If not, then you turn the barrel 1 click in or out until it is correct. So easy, that it can be done in the stress of training with a Drill Sergeant screaming in your ear. Can any other firearm designer even come close to John Browning? Not by a mile.

[Terry Murbach]

Thanks Terry, I have a Colt Huntsman. I never realized he designed it.

ME TOO !!! MY DADDY GAVE IT TO ME ON MY SIXTEENTH BIRTHDAY.

[AJMD429]

And, the Browning M2 . . . If not, then you turn the barrel 1 click in or out until it is correct. So easy, that it can be done in the stress of training with a Drill Sergeant screaming in your ear.

If I ever win the lottery, I definitely WILL have a M2. Don't need one, probably wouldn't even shoot it much if I had Bill Gates' budget, but they are just awesome pieces of machinery.

[awp101]

[AJMD429]

Thanks, ap101 - I saved that picture...!

[Buck Elliott]

JMB designed a ton of .22s, but NOT the 9422 Winchester....

Thank God for John Mose...

[Nath]

JMB designed a ton of .22s, but NOT the 9422 Winchester....

Thank God for John Mose...

Do you know who did Buck?

Nath.

[cshold]

John Browning

AKA John Moses Browning

Born: 23-Jan-1855
Birthplace: Ogden, UT
Died: 26-Nov-1926
Location of death: Liege, Belgium
Cause of death: Heart Failure
Remains: Buried, Ogden, UT
Gender: Male
Religion: Mormon
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Inventor
Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Best gun designer of all time
Father: Jonathan Browning (gunsmith, b. 22-Oct-1805, d. 21-Jun-1879)
Mother: Elizabeth Caroline Wier Clark (b. 3-Mar-1817, d. 22-Jun-1890)
Brother: Matthew Sandifer Browning
Mother: Elizabeth Stalcup (father's polygamist wife, b. 23-Jun-1803, d. 21-May-1884)
Brother: David Elias Browning (b. 1829)
Sister: Barbara Browning (b. 1831)
Brother: Westley Browning (b. 1832)
Brother: James Allen Browning (b. 1833)
Brother: Asemth Browning (b. 1835)
Sister: Martha Browning (b. 1838)
Sister: Malvina Browning (b. 1840)
Sister: Nancy Browning (b. 1842)
Brother: Jonathan Alma Browning (b. 8-Oct-1845)
Sister: Melinda Vashti Browning (b. 28-Nov-1847, d. 12-May-1926)
Mother: Sarah Ann Emmett (father's polygamist wife)
Brother: Johnathan Edmund Browning (b. 26-Jan-1859)
Brother: Thomas Samuel Browning (b. 15-Apr-1860, d. 2-Oct-1943)
Brother: William W. Browning (b. 1862)
Sister: Olive E. Browning (b. 1864)
Brother: George E. Browning (b. 1866)
Brother: William J. Browning (b. 16-Feb-1883, d. 8-Aug-1946)
Mother: Polly Ripley (father's polygamist wife)
Wife: Rachel Teresa Child (m. 10-Apr-1879)
Son: Val Allen Browning (gunsmith, b. Aug-1895, d. 1994)

[jeepnik]

Well acutally, my grandpappy probably was one of the first users. But then I'm old.

[awp101]

It's technically correct in my family but not by much since mine was born in 1923...

[jdad]

How about something out of the "Browning Brothers Hardware Store"? Circa 1886

[CowboyTutt]

To really appreciate J.M.B. you need to see the display section devoted to him at the Bill Cody Firearms Museum (sp). They had many diagrams and prototypes of his work. It was really, really cool! One of the highlights of the museum for me. If your even NEAR Cody, WY take a day and go. Its so very worth it!

The only other man I know of that has something close to J.M.B's productivity and originality of design is Dick Casull. He also has made many amazing prototypes.

-Tutt

[jeepnik]

To really appreciate J.M.B. you need to see the display section devoted to him at the Bill Cody Firearms Museum (sp). They had many diagrams and prototypes of his work. It was really, really cool! One of the highlights of the museum for me. If your even NEAR Cody, WY take a day and go. Its so very worth it!

The only other man I know of that has something close to J.M.B's productivity and originality of design is Dick Casull. He also has made many amazing prototypes.

-Tutt

No, to "really" appreciate Mr. Browning, you only need to have used one of his fine inventions when it was needed most.

[Buck Elliott]

There is also a wonderful Browning display at the Union Depot (RR station) in Ogden, UT. Spent many an hour there when I was younger, and before that when it was on display at the Browning Nat'l Guard Armory in Ogden.

[CowboyTutt]

Buck, I hope I get to see that. I don't think I've been near Odgen but I will keep that in mind. I'm hoping for another trip to WY this summer somehow. If so, keep some beer cold for me! I also want to see the museum dedicated to "Liver eatin' Johnson" that I missed last time. So much to do, so little time.....

Jeep, many of J.M.B.s ideas were never even put into production. His prototypes tended to be somewhat rough but he was just so amazingly prolific that its astounding.


-Tutt

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Some folks don't know this but JMB didn't design on paper. His ideas were inside his head and he built the proto-types from there. Once the design was working the draftmen put it to paper. They say there were several of his proto-types lost to history because he destroyed them building something else. His Hi-Wall, the first design marketed by Winchester in 1885 was first designed, made and sold from Ogden Ut in 1875, ten years earlier. Winchester bought something like 17 other patents from JMB that they never produced. They just didn't want anyone else to buy the patents and produce them.

[tube_ee]

I think he'd put Einstein to shame by what he created.

I doubt that any firearm design, no matter how great, (as JMB's designs clearly were,) can compare with the singlehanded overturning of an idea that had never been questioned.

Before Einstein, every single human being that ever lived thought that time was absolute. That a second was a second, and hour and hour, a year was a year.

After Einstein, nobody can claim to be educated and still think that... the universe simply doesn't work that way.

We're talking apples and poker chips, here. The two cannot be rationally compared.

--Shannon

[piller]

I agree, the two cannot be compared. They worked in two totally different fields. Both Einstein and Browning were geniuses, though. I would hate to imagine what the current state of firearms technology would be like without Browning. Probably about the same as Physics would be without Einstein. There have to be pioneering geniuses to show the rest of us how it is done, and whose work we can build upon in any field.

[jdad]

Some folks don't know this but JMB didn't design on paper. His ideas were inside his head and he built the proto-types from there. Once the design was working the draftmen put it to paper. They say there were several of his proto-types lost to history because he destroyed them building something else. His Hi-Wall, the first design marketed by Winchester in 1885 was first designed, made and sold from Ogden Ut in 1875, ten years earlier. Winchester bought something like 17 other patents from JMB that they never produced. They just didn't want anyone else to buy the patents and produce them.

IIRC Winchester paid $9,000 for the patents in 1883.......$1000 cash & 2500 rifles.

[awp101]

Not exactly a JMB design, but certainly close enough to get my attention...

http://www.ultimate-equipment.com/

Edited for direct link to manufacturer

[Grizz]

Before Einstein, every single human being that ever lived thought that time was absolute.

I question this assertion. Not only does it defy logic, but there is no evidence that it's true.

After Einstein, nobody can claim to be educated and still think that... the universe simply doesn't work that way.

Why do I suspect that you're about to tell us HOW THE UNIVERSE DOES SIMPLY WORK?

Einstein thought that the speed of light is a physical immutable constant. Now we know that light can travel much slower than "the speed of light". So Einstein's constant is actually a variable. Tough on the scientific absolutists.

However, the topic is about JMB's achievments. Photos are welcome!

Grizz

[Grizz]

awp101,

I've looked at those knives; how's the steel for taking and holding an edge? What is the blade length? How secure is the blade lock? How easy is one-hand operation?

Thanks,

Grizz

[awp101]

Grizz, no idea on most of that. The link has another link to the manufacturer IIRC that at least discusses the different grades of blade steel used. I want to say there's 440C and two other grades offered.

The manufacturers link also shows a pocket clip available. IF I get one (gotta do some serious penny rolling around here right now), I'll get the clip to go with it.

[MrMurphy]

I have to disagree, the .50 M2 did change several times through it's history.

Starting as the original M1921 (water cooled) it went to the M2, M2 heavy barrel (HB) the ".50" generally known to most.

The most recent change, after 90 years, is the addition of a safety. Several other quick-change barrel (no headspace/timing needed) models have been built over the years.

[jackruff]

Also the Ithaca Model 37. I've had one for almost 42 years and it's still in great shape!

[Grizz]

Gentlemen

What are you thinking?????

I'm hoping for some pictorial participation.