california passes ammo registeration law

donw · Post by **donw** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:14 pm

Arnie signed it into law...

i don't know the particulars of it but it's more in detail in the NRA rifleman...

Kevin De Leon is leading an all out assault on gun ownership here...he needs to be voted OUT..along with most other politicians here and nationwide...

bsaride · Post by **bsaride** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:12 am

Law goes into effect in Feb 2011

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:48 am

Un-freakin' believable.

Oly

Poohgyrr · Post by **Poohgyrr** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:03 am

If you remember his election campaign, well - he is a girlieman.

Sometimes I think the recall process should be used often.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:12 am

Sounds like home! Whats it involve?

Nath.

otteray · Post by **otteray** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:57 am

IIRC, It is or else will be being challenged in court by the NRA, Calif. Rifle & Pistol Assn. (CRPA) and the Calguns Foundation.

Here is what it is:
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index ... Ammunition

76/444 · Post by **76/444** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:09 am

bsaride wrote:Law goes into effect in Feb 2011

Yup,... 2011,.... so all the dumb sheep who voted him in and let him get this passed will forget all about it in the 2010 elections. Rather arrogant of him to think that it could really happen that way,.... and, even sicker that IT WILL!!!

But, on the positive,.... just as the existence of evil allows good to be measured and appreciated,... so is the usefulness of California's existence for the rest of the country.

Kansas Ed · Post by **Kansas Ed** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:00 am

Expect another run on ammunition before the instigation date.

Ed

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:00 am

The knuckle-dragging, barking-mad simpletons that passed that law have no idea of the database nightmare their piece of work will require. Our gun registry system in Canada was estimated to cost $2 million to implement. It ended up costing 1,000 times more, at $2 billion. It has turned out to be a complete failure and has been voted on to be abolished. It has proved to be utterly useless in preventing gun crime, with no detectable effect whatsoever and no one can actually figure out how even in theory it even could prevent gun crime. If California has failed to abolish illegal drugs, then only a moron would think they can abolish anything else for which there is a demand by those who do not obey laws.

donw · Post by **donw** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:10 am

one must keep in mind that the state legislature of California is not what would be called, in all fairness and truthfulness, "rational" is it?

Yodar · Post by **Yodar** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:19 am

Nath,

As I understand the law, one would have to present some sort of identification, sign one's name in a registry, and leave one's thumb print in order to buy ammunition. As a native born Californian, I am glad to be living in the somewhat freer state of Arizona.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:36 am

Hey guys, don't be so hard on them. California's a great place . . . . . . . . . to be from!!

Seriouisly, I think KirkD is spot on. The cost they'll incur to accomplish nothing will be enormous, the impact on the industry will be profound, and California will sink further and further into the debt. All to accomplish nothing.

I moved there in 1956 as a kid, left there in 1980 to get a better shot at a promotion, moved back in 1983 for another promotion, and finally escaped for good in 1995. Looking back, it was a beautiful state but the things that drove me away, the anti business climate, allowing the decay of the infrastructure like utilities, watching the prices to live there skyrocket, convinced me to leave and I couldn't be happier.

Post by **Old Savage** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:49 am

Part of the battle boys - there was another version of this that was voted out years ago. Liberal are stupid and they do things like this all the time in one way or another. But this place is headed for further bankruptcy - we'll see what happens. BTW the only alternative to arnie was a real left winger. Real right wingers make up maybe 25 to 30% of the electorate and can get nothing done of themselves. Political purism is a pipe dream in a mostly liberal state but we will carry on here.

76/444 · Post by **76/444** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:06 pm

Kansas Ed wrote:Expect another run on ammunition before the instigation date.

Ed

Annnnnnd,.... a creation of a Black Market Industry !!!!

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:55 pm

a nuisance, but hardly a crippling blow, at least from what I've read.

When you buy ammo, you leave your thumbprint and show ID, they record it in a book which no one has time to check. We already have this in LA County, and there are plenty of ammo sales. This might only apply to handgun ammo, I'm not sure. Although nowadays somebody makes a pistol for most rifle rounds.

I don't know if the other part passed, which is to outlaw mail-order ammo sales. That is a problem for people who are used to getting Midway deals. They will have to buy ammo from a local gun shop, and it will cost them more.

I don't think they got after reloading components but, I'm already buying that stuff locally anyway.

It's more feel-good legislation to "get tough on gangs". Like I said, we already have it in LA county, it's not that big a deal.

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:06 pm

Well, on the brite side, this will go into effect well after the revolution is in full bloom.

otteray · Post by **otteray** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:25 pm

Old Savage wrote:Part of the battle boys - there was another version of this that was voted out years ago. Liberal are stupid and they do things like this all the time in one way or another. But this place is headed for further bankruptcy - we'll see what happens. BTW the only alternative to arnie was a real left winger. Real right wingers make up maybe 25 to 30% of the electorate and can get nothing done of themselves. Political purism is a pipe dream in a mostly liberal state but we will carry on here.

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PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:41 pm

It has proved to be utterly useless in preventing gun crime

It's not for preventing crime. It's for making political hay, and harrassing gun owners.

Governments in general have no interest in curbing crime. Why would they do something that would reduce their income?

I don't like the phrase "gun crime"; it's an invention of the prohibitionists. "Crime" is always preferred.

JP_TX · Post by **JP_TX** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:02 am

It is said that all people wind up with the government that they deserve. Unfortunately, this is pitifully and painfully even more true of the residents of the once great state of California.

As an ex-resident of that hyper-regulated, money grubbing, and now bankrupt state that is now leaching off the national taxpayer (Thanks to our Democrat controlled Central Government), I know whereof I speak.

Please remember that the greatest gifts that California has given to the US of late, have been Nancy Palosi, Barbara Boxer, Henry Waxman and of course all of it's electoral votes for "Our Dear Leader" to further their "progressive" interests in turning the USA into a Socialist state with the same expectation of success that they have had with California.

You'll forgive me if I have little sympathy for children that burn themselves after being warned that the fire is hot.

Nazgul · Post by **Nazgul** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:35 am

Government can't control innocent people. They have to create criminals.

Don

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:36 am

COSteve wrote:Hey guys, don't be so hard on them. California's a great place . . . . . . . . . to be from!!

Might be a nice place to be from, but it is a sad fact that the state's most voluminous export in this regard is flakes who want to make every place that they emigrate to into a tiny replica of the place they just left.

It's like there are slug trails running from New York, LA, Chicago, Detroit, San Francisco, and Washington, D.C....

They leave their bankrupt socialist nirvanas and drag the same stupid ideas with them, believing that they can make a difference ruining somewhere else.

The result is a trail of socialist slime/destruction.

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:59 am

Another black mark against a once wonderful state. I was born there when Dad was in the Army and many of my family moved there during the Depression and Okla Dust Bowl to find work, most have come back home.

Three years ago at a family reunion several of the cousins came back from CA and of course out came the guns, many of them family heirlooms, for anyone that wanted to shoot. Along with the levers, pumps and double barrels I brought out a couple of my AR's and Glocks. One of the cousin's wives, a very liberal school teacher, asked what in the world would I need something like those for. I replied that aside from being involved in law enforcement and using those guns to help protect my community that in Okla I am a free man and could own pretty much what I pleased, unlike the Communist state of CA. For some reason things became quite chilly between the two of us.

Not quite a year later that same cousin called me asking for advice on what type of gun to buy for home defense due to the fact that two doors down from their home friends of theirs had experienced a home invasion in which both man and woman were terribly beaten and the woman molested. The realization that it could have just as easily been them evidently hit home hard.

In October of this year that same cousin called wanting to know if I would sell him some of the family land to build on as they had to leave CA for his wife's sanity. I won't sell him any land, but invited him and his family to live with me until they could find something to buy or build on....as long as they left their liberal views behind in CA. They haven't moved in yet but we're looking for them a place to buy right now. Evidently they've both had a change of heart about defending themselves, the police's ability to protect them, and the State's right to restrict them from owning any gun they want. I hope it stays that way or they stay in CA.

Rob

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:19 am

JP_TX wrote:It is said that all people wind up with the government that they deserve. Unfortunately, this is pitifully and painfully even more true of the residents of the once great state of California.

As an ex-resident of that hyper-regulated, money grubbing, and now bankrupt state that is now leaching off the national taxpayer (Thanks to our Democrat controlled Central Government), I know whereof I speak.

Please remember that the greatest gifts that California has given to the US of late, have been Nancy Palosi, Barbara Boxer, Henry Waxman and of course all of it's electoral votes for "Our Dear Leader" to further their "progressive" interests in turning the USA into a Socialist state with the same expectation of success that they have had with California.

You'll forgive me if I have little sympathy for children that burn themselves after being warned that the fire is hot.

+1.

they are so deep in debt I wonder if mexico would take over the payments.

76/444 · Post by **76/444** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:59 am

Hmmmmm,... the reason California has progressed with their progressive socialist agenda is because the sheep in that state are sitting next to the frogs in the frying pan, saying things like........

"It's more feel-good legislation to "get tough on gangs". Like I said, we already have it in LA county, it's not that big a deal."

Obviously some aren't old enough, or self taught enough, to remember and to have learned how the Government used RACE as the center of focus for the sheep BACK IN THE 60'S. So the "progressives" could make their move, back then! Now it is illegals, gangs, drugs, crime,...or GLOBAL WARMING,... anything to take the lime light off of the "progressives" and their agenda to get a socialist elected to the office of President.

OH,.... WAIT A MINUTE,.... THEY ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED THAT!

Then there are our brothers in arms who unconsciously claim,....

"It's not for preventing crime. It's for making political hay, and harrassing gun owners."

Not having the sense to just look at the world today and see what has been accomplished in disarming the working man throughout Canada, Australia, Great Britain and the rest of Europe. Our brothers in arms around the world must be crying in shock at the DISARMING of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA , while the One World Government boys are laughing their a$$es off at such foolish comments and ideas. I won't even bother to list the countries that fell many, many decades ago like China, Russia, Cambodia and on and on!!!

WE,.... gentlemen,.... are the last domino in the formula for their GUN CONFISCATION AGENDA of the WORLD,... GET IT !!

For any , FREE THINKING individual, armed or not, to be breathing air and not have ,... in this day and time,.... assimilated the concept of DISARM and ENSLAVE the MASSES by now,... by the One World Government,....then there is no hope for them!

And,... being a FREE PERSON is obviously not that BIG A DEAL for them anyway!!!

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:04 am

move...or ignore it!

76/444 · Post by **76/444** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:16 am

RIHMFIRE wrote:move...or ignore it!

Yup,... that will solve the problem!

donw · Post by **donw** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:18 am

it amazes me at how many really don't see, or understand, the concept of the freedoms RECOGNIZED by the constitution and how many of our "elected officials" fall into that category. or for that matter, how many have actually read and UNDERSTAND what the constitution says and the underlying meanings it lays out.

plain and simple: the framers of the constitution FEARED BIG GOVERNMENT for reasons we are now seeing happen right before our eyes!

the average citizen, especially in California, has been trained to be a victim...the laws do not encourage one to 'take up for themselves' nor do they prohibit self defense, but...the very severity of the laws pertaining to self defense do not advocate self defense. in other words, if you defend yourself, you better darned well be able to PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT there was a legitimate threat against you or a loved one...property rights be darned...(this may have changed) but you may NOT use force to defend your property here.

the 'socialist', 'one world' concept is not a new one...unfortunately we are moving towards it more and more...remember the UN? before that it was The League of Nations...and even farther back if you care to look into it.

what we are now experiencing here in "the golden state" is basically, a melt down...it's my suspicion, that Arnie broke under pressure of some sort to sign this ludicrous piece of legislation. the California state legislature has chosen to ignore key issues, after all, they don't want to "offend" anyone, the true key issues, that are dragging the economy down the drain...illegal immigration, health care, unreasonable taxation, are a few, but not the only ones. (as a caveat...i was told by the DMV that $783.00 to register my 2002 ford f-250, that i used to tow my camping trailer...NOT for commercial use.. was neither illegal or unreasonable...)

the problem being...if the law goes into effect...it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to rescind or remove it...

it's very simple folks...we've let our so called "legislators" get out of control!

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:13 pm

Wonder how this will affect the current laws on brass, bullets, powder, and primers?

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:45 pm

76/444, it's not like we don't understand the frog in the pan concept, it's just that the continual "the sky is falling" hysteria is getting old.

Sure California has problems, but you guys love to exaggerate them, and I'm not going to panic every time I hear about one. It's a reality that the coast here has a super-majority of lame-brained liberals. But it's coming to a state near you.

I think it's funny that you're worrying about this on the day that Obama finally pushed through National Health Care, if you think signing for ammo is bad, how about euthanasia? Oh, and Obama couldn't have been elected without majorities from other states. You should stop worrying about California and start paying attention to liberals in your own state.

76/444 · Post by **76/444** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:22 pm

El Chivo wrote:76/444, it's not like we don't understand the frog in the pan concept, it's just that the continual "the sky is falling" hysteria is getting old.

Sure California has problems, but you guys love to exaggerate them, and I'm not going to panic every time I hear about one. It's a reality that the coast here has a super-majority of lame-brained liberals. But it's coming to a state near you.

I think it's funny that you're worrying about this on the day that Obama finally pushed through National Health Care, if you think signing for ammo is bad, how about euthanasia? Oh, and Obama couldn't have been elected without majorities from other states. You should stop worrying about California and start paying attention to liberals in your own state.

I didn't panic at every infringement of my rights when I lived in California,.... either!!

And I didn't realize the symptom of the disease until I moved out of there.

And,... more than likely,... you won't either.

I am sorry, but your attempt at trying to present California as being just as bad as the rest of the country won't fly with me. It may with someone else,... so don't give up.

Annnnnd,... for your obviously Stockholm syndrome effected way of thinking,.... the health care plan has NOT BEEN PASSED YET. But, I understand why you would think so,.... living where you do.

p.s. I have no hysteria about the sky falling over California,... and I understand why you don't see that it has already happened.

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:19 pm

Well, I don't know what's worse - those who stay here and continue to hunt and shoot and support gun-related businesses despite the inconveniences, or those who cut and run and pass judgement from afar.

PM sent.

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:02 am

El Chivo wrote:Well, I don't know what's worse - those who stay here and continue to hunt and shoot and support gun-related businesses despite the inconveniences, or those who cut and run and pass judgement from afar.

I just feel sorry for y'all out there in CA.its not the gun owners thats the problem it your gov. stuffing all this BS down your throats.y'all need to start doing some grassroot operations and get those liberal dem0rats out of office.
Nancy Pelosi,Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer need to go....but they keep getting re-elected by the freaks out there in CA.I can see where the people just might have the *** about sending pelosi to WA. 2010 is coming do something about it.
pete

Doc Hudson · Post by **Doc Hudson** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:00 am

KirkD wrote:The knuckle-dragging, barking-mad simpletons that passed that law have no idea of the database nightmare their piece of work will require. Our gun registry system in Canada was estimated to cost $2 million to implement. It ended up costing 1,000 times more, at $2 billion. It has turned out to be a complete failure and has been voted on to be abolished. It has proved to be utterly useless in preventing gun crime, with no detectable effect whatsoever and no one can actually figure out how even in theory it even could prevent gun crime. If California has failed to abolish illegal drugs, then only a moron would think they can abolish anything else for which there is a demand by those who do not obey laws.

Kirk!

You know perfectly well that the geniuses who dreamed up Canada's Gun Registration Scheme hand no interest in reducing crime!! Their sole desire was to control and disarm the citizenry. Same thing in California.

With all the strong conservatives in California I've never understood why they haven't visited Sacramento with a large supply or tar and feathers and a truckload or splintery wooden rails and several large reels of 3/4" hemp rope.

IMO Sacramento needs cleansing as bad or worse than Washington and Ottawa.

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:51 pm

I have to say how frustrating it is to live here politically. I make phone calls to my representatives and send emails and vote Republican every chance I get. But the majority of people who live here seem to be Democrats who don't want personal responsibility for their own safety, mistakenly think the govt. can provide it, and somehow think that legalizing pot helps a community. I feel like sometimes I'm just hurtling myself against a brick wall over and over and I can't seem to have an effect.

I don't think California gun owners are "soft". I think that many states have enough of a rational conservative base that by simply voting they can swing the tide. Here, it takes MONUMENTALLY more effort because of the ovewhelming amount of anti-gun Democrats in power, in our Congress and those who support them.

I would agree that we therefore need a higher level of organization and mobilization out here. I would dearly love to march on our capitol and voice our discontent. I would even use a sick day up for it. Gladly.

-Tutt

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:59 pm

we always have room for y'all here in texas.

pete

76/444 · Post by **76/444** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:33 pm

Doc Hudson wrote:
KirkD wrote:The knuckle-dragging, barking-mad simpletons that passed that law have no idea of the database nightmare their piece of work will require. Our gun registry system in Canada was estimated to cost $2 million to implement. It ended up costing 1,000 times more, at $2 billion. It has turned out to be a complete failure and has been voted on to be abolished. It has proved to be utterly useless in preventing gun crime, with no detectable effect whatsoever and no one can actually figure out how even in theory it even could prevent gun crime. If California has failed to abolish illegal drugs, then only a moron would think they can abolish anything else for which there is a demand by those who do not obey laws.
Kirk!

You know perfectly well that the geniuses who dreamed up Canada's Gun Registration Scheme hand no interest in reducing crime!! Their sole desire was to control and disarm the citizenry. Same thing in California.

With all the strong conservatives in California I've never understood why they haven't visited Sacramento with a large supply or tar and feathers and a truckload or splintery wooden rails and several large reels of 3/4" hemp rope.

IMO Sacramento needs cleansing as bad or worse than Washington and Ottawa.

+1 Doc,.... that is the bottom line.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:45 pm

txpete wrote:we always have room for y'all here in texas.

pete

I've been giving serious consideration to just that after I retire. Pack the essentials into a bigazz Airstream and find a good monthly rate at a nice, rural park..... You can teach me to pig hunt and I'll show you how to pick out a good scoot......

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:25 pm

Wow, this thread was started on 12-25-09. The darned bill was signed a month or more ago.

It's basically what L.A. City has had on the books for some time. But, it was never challanged by either the NRA or CRPA. They pretty much have given up on L.A. But since it stood, more or less, unchallanged, the Sacramento crowd figured they could pass the same type of legislation. And they did. Unfortunately, our Republican(?) governor signed it into law. I guess the threat of being cut off by the misses was too much to bear.

It will be challanged in the courts. But it will all take time. The legislators wisely (cuz they didn't want to upset the majority of rural Calfornians) removed some of the more restrictive parts of the legislation (like the 50 rounds per month limit). Still, it is another incremental move toward restircting gun ownership via a backdoor.

Here's something to remember about California. The liberals, geneally reisents of L.A., S.D., S.F., and Sacramento are greatly outnumbered by the more conservative rural populace. The problem is that the rural folks don't vote as regularly at the city dwellers. But when ired, they do rise up and have their way.

The best recent example was the ban on gay marriage. The courts decided you couldn't stop gays from marrying. So the populace using the "initiative process" passed legislation to ban gay marriage. The courts again stepped in, but this time said the ban was "unconstitutional". So, the populace again rose up and changed the state constitution. This in effect told the courts it was now constitutional and to butt out. There have been threads of court action, but they have come to naught because the constitution, the law of the land says that this is the way it is.

Now the liberals have threatened to amend the constitution again to allow for gay marriage, but they realize it won't happen anytime soon.

NonPCnraRN · Post by **NonPCnraRN** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:12 pm

Nancy Pelosi was just a liberal nutjob congresswoman from CA until the rest of the United States made her the Speaker of the House. Grungy Harry was a doofus US senator from Nevada until the rest of the United States made him the President of the US Senate. We may have lost control of CA, but it took the rest of the country to lose control of the United States.

Wrangler John · Post by **Wrangler John** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:09 pm

The law only applies to handgun ammunition, including that fired in rifles - i.e. .357 Magnum, .45 Colt, etc. It doesn't apply to any other ammunition. It doesn't apply to any reloading components, even handgun ammo components. It doesn't prohibit bringing ammo in from out of state yourself.

The prohibition against direct delivery by interstate carrier is the part being brought before the federal court. That prohibition has been found illegal in other cases.

The CPRA has also started a repeal campaign. If Obama doesn't get to replace one of the conservative judges before the ruling on incorporation of the Second Amendment, we expect there may trouble ahead for all California gun laws. We can only hope.

The real hope hinges on the 2010 election. Vote freedom or die.

JP_TX · Post by **JP_TX** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:49 pm

Folks need to realize that Liberals/Socialists/Progressives (Three Names that at are all in fact Marxist to one degree or another.) are like rust... They never rest, they never quit. They have been trying to turn the US into a Socialist state since before FDR.

The only legal thing that can be done to stop them is to vote them out of power and pay attention to who we elect in the future.

California is not the only example of what they want to do, it is just the most noticeable because of it's size and the impact its federal representation is having on the country as a whole. California is a lab case study on how they can deceive the public to gain power and keep it. Make no mistake their plan is "Today California, Tomorrow The United States."

Ok, call me a nut case.

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:41 am

you nailed it

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:53 am

BlaineG wrote:
txpete wrote:we always have room for y'all here in texas.

pete

I've been giving serious consideration to just that after I retire. Pack the essentials into a bigazz Airstream and find a good monthly rate at a nice, rural park..... You can teach me to pig hunt and I'll show you how to pick out a good scoot......

come on down tubby,I'll ride with ya... jap dung or not

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